Why do so many people not like fate?

Why do so many people not like fate?

But I love original Fate

overrated h game turned into an overrated series

Same reason as usual, it got popular.

It fell into moba gacha hell.

From a VN veteran's perspective, Fate is the most overrated and boring VN I've ever played.

>from a VN veteran's perspective
keked

its babbys first vn, fate is essentially the naruto of VNs

>kek

>accessible vn attracts casual normalfag fans
>gets popular
>creators target audience is now the normalfags so they lower the quality of their succeeding works to make it more accessible to attract more normal fans and keep the current normgroids interested
>repeat until normgroids move onto the next big thing like the ADHD animals they are

Art is made to be consumed and exists for a set audience at a set time. It fades quickly most of the time because all of the interactions and setup of the story get dated by trying to copy what's popular and rake in the money. Great works that get remembered always have an artist's personal take on life and are a representation of what they feel about themselves and the world they live in, and they use the troupes and characters to express that. Depending on the medium, this changes significantly, especially because of the audience it's targeted towards and what the contents of the story are and where the creator intended the story to take them. These have to line up, the audience, the art, the story, the time it's released, all of it has to compose a symmetry that helps it resonate with the audience.
FS/N is the best selling VN because it could have only been done as a VN. Nasu was writing and dreaming about it for years since high school, he had talented people around him including Urobuchi(he wrote fate/zero around the same time as FS/N but agreed to release it later), and beyond that it was a story that encapsulated his genuine will to matter to others.
In Japan or most modern society, the idea as a teenager of being relevant or important to others dominates your existence. You're looking for a place to belong, a role model, and the people who love FS/N probably encountered it as teenagers or as the disenfranchised of society. This is why you have lots of stories with the MC with superpowers in japan, power fantasy.
However, FS/N is closer to a representation of the emotional reality of the modern situation that young men find themselves in. Shirou at no point in the story expresses much desire for the succubi at all, he spends most of his time cooking and thinking about being a superhero or relating to the succubi as a friend.

Cont .

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Most VNs do this, where the heroines are supposed to be sexual appeal machines but the MC is either just embarrassed by it or barely acknowledges it
The special part of FS/N is that it creates an environment where Shirou gets to be a hero through his actions instead of him being granted something special. The entire story is about him manning up. Even in Saber route you get choices to protect her, even when she's clearly much better than Shirou at combat in every possible way. Shirou doesn't become a man so much as he pretends to be one, which is why he's semi-competent by the end of each of the arcs when he reaches some level of responsibility for his life.
Usually, VNs let the player go off into fantasy and just keep going, so it feels like fluff. Which is why you always see VNs or stories like Rewrite, Oregariu, Saenai heroine, etc. as top sellers and popular works. The creators write excellent stories that relate on a deeper level to what adolescents are going through on an emotional level. It's more real than reality to them, because most of the readers aren't mature to understand the truth of the situation if you laid it out to them in plain words.
This is why characters like Rin are so popular as tsunderes. The immature reader already believes succubi hate them, so having the character treat them coldly feels more real than some imaginary succubus sucking up to them and grateful for every little kindness.
I think that wizards in general seem to have been stuck in that adolescent phase of world-hating. I know that I haven't really gotten past it, the desire to see the world burn because you're not a part of the group, and whether it's a lie you told yourself or the truth that everyone should just go and die, either way you've chosen to continue to live.
And so stories like FS/N, Rewrite, and Evangelion are a constant fascination of wizards, adolescents, and those who failed to grow up.

Cont .

The Young Adult book market is read by about 50% adults, so I think it's actually fairly common that most people want to relive their teenage years through stories like FS/N because they feel that they haven't taken responsibility for their lives either.
Really, it seems like those who escape into fantasy want an excuse to imagine that moment where they take control and deal with their problems in real life. They believe it's impossible and procrastinate, so when they see a character like Shirou triumphing because of his wishes and effort everyone walks away feeling fulfilled.
A story where the character just gets what they want handed to them is forgettable. It can be enjoyable, but I think a story like FS/N persists because the MC suffers and loses. Creating that sense of danger and chance of failure is endearing, because the person in their daily life believes that they would never be able to handle a situation like that
Which is why stories like Oregairu are pretty clever, because right from the start you have a romcom setup and it turns into a drama because the MC doesn't believe he's lovable. The way the story goes about it keeps the ball up in the air as well whether things are really as they seem or there's no connection between the characters at all, something I think a modern person can relate to with how fragile relationships are these days.
It's good writing. FS/N also had the advantage of drawing on mythos and generating drama about the fights so it's more of a result of the situation who wins or loses then an outright power contest. That brings a lot of people in just based on that, and it's probably the reason why we got an alternate universe shirou movie for Prisma Ilya.

I did back in the f/sn days. Now it's a complete clusterfuck I have no idea what's even going on in anymore.

Because a real man doesn't rely on fate to make his path, but instead he makes his own.

For the love of fuck, if you're going to be this autistic put it in a pastebin so people can read it.

Because its stupid boring bullshit.

I appreciate your effort but fuck you tl;dr

Do you mean why many people love fate right? Anyway original fate was always bullshit.

>I appreciate your effort but fuck you tl;dr
fucking this

fuck off underage Sup Forumsdd retards, just fucking read it. god dammit were here to discuss fate arent we?

because it's a brand di merda

>all popular things are actually good, and people hate them for no reason

They're not intelligent enough to understand it.

Proper capitalization, spacing and punctuation are important to readability.

You could be Ovid reincarnated and it wouldn't matter since you type like a spastic ESL poster.

>were
>arent
first try using the correct grammar fag

It's amusing when people say this, because they're obviously projecting. Reaching the conclusion that something is hated for being popular, because it is popular, but also hated, can only make sense if you view that as normal behavior.

they probably are good, even the disgusting daytime reality television shows if good is to mean anything at all

they're also threatening, nobody wants to live in a world where American Idol is the only piece of broadcast media

so anytime anything succeeds you get backlash to protect the interests it doesn't fulfill, this isn't particularly a bad thing

Because they're anime secondaries

Opinions and taste, you fucking retard.

It was always shit, but things that are enjoyed by a niche in a semi-ironic sense inevitably lose all their value upon becoming mainstream, ie. blindly and unironically praised. Same happened to JJBA

But backlash for popular things is as much a part of the Internet's fabric as porn.

>These have to line up, the audience, the art, the story, the time it's released, all of it has to compose a symmetry that helps it resonate with the audience.
This is pretty good point desu and is often overlooked when people can't understand why people like things they don't like.

>These have to line up, the audience, the art, the story, the time it's released, all of it has to compose a symmetry that helps it resonate with the audience.
G-George? Is that you?

So this is pretty much admiting that only teenagers and manchildren can enjoy Fate.

VNs/LNs/manga/anime are products to be consumed, but things like state murals and graffiti aren't. All art is not a consumption product, but all art is an expression of something. Which is where resonance comes in.

The idea of a story needing to resonate with the audience is important, though. Obvious, but important. Characters, especially the protagonist, being richly detailed (or at least a passable cipher) is paramount to a popular work resonating. This is why harem MCs tend to be dull as dishwater; they're ciphers for herbivore Japanese men. Audience ciphers are a trick used for any blockbuster media: movies, books, comics, anime, you name it. Ciphers allow for the audience to self-insert, and thus feel immersed, since artistic resonance is inherently narcissistic.

This is also why two of Sup Forums's most enduring MCs are harem MCs who hate themselves: Shirou and Araragi. They both have intense self loathing expressed as heroic self-abandonment, which is a common feeling for people who would spend a lot of time on a Mongolian Matte Painting board. They're both surrounded by more competent women, and get led with a cold-seeming bitch with a good heart. Their forever girl is a blond quasi-loli representing a foreign dream girl, too (reminder Seibah is body-locked at 14). They both have a quirk that plays with a source of internal turmoil of modern man (Shirou's housewife nature as expression of feminization, RRG's masochism/Hanekawa-type porn kink/outright child molestation as expression of oversexed desperation). They are loved because they are reflections of their main audience.

In a reductionist sense, yes. Which is why you're here; you're just as much a manchild as anyone on Sup Forums. Thinking otherwise is folly.

>In a reductionist sense, yes. Which is why you're here; you're just as much a manchild as anyone on Sup Forums. Thinking otherwise is folly.
I mean yeah, I didn't mean it in a dismissing sense as I am a manchild and enjoy Fate too, but I have noticed that I don't enjoy the franchise and Type Moon in general as when I was younger.

so i was wrong on hating Nisekoi then