Is FMA the pinnacle of shounen manga?

Is FMA the pinnacle of shounen manga?

I don't know but it has the best waifu.

>pinnacle of shounen manga
That's Gash Bell.

Roy Mustang is the pinnacle of an alpha protagonist
>strong, but not overpowered and has weaknesses
>ambitious, but self-aware enough to tell his subordinate to shoot him if he ever veers off the path
>charmer, but ultimately faithful to Riza
>cunning and strategic, well-connected
Proof that you don't have to be angsty or have an existential crisis or a mental condition to be a solid character who carried the series while Ed was recovering from a wound.

>protagonist
Uhhh....

this

>pro·tag·o·nist
>noun
>the leading character or one of the major characters in a drama, movie, novel, or other fictional text

Not to mention he's sexy af.

i dont know but mustang is easily one of the coolest characters in any work of fiction

the flashback scenes to the ishbalan war where he just walks down a street snapping his fingers and blowing up every building around him were awesome.

It's a shounen only by the age group. Mostly it's just a normal adventure drama/comedy.

I see you too are an individual of patrician taste.

Its better than shit like my hero academia which is the blandest shit ever with rushed pacing a cast that is not looked into in the slightest and the powers are as barebones as humanly possible, naruto which had useless side characters large amounts of filler and a protagonist that could be annoying as shit, Bleach which made you want to drink bleach because of the wasted potential, Dbz which started the shitty shounen trend, One piece which is stupidly long and crappy pacing, fairy tail which is barebones and friendship wins everything.

If you liked this show I would recommend hajime no ippo. For a different flavour of great anime

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Yes, and Ed is objectively one of the best MCs ever written.

Is that Pride?

>generic power of friendship beats overpowered villain

"no"

So, exactly what non battle shonen is?

Didn't read the manga because pleb but the anime was top tier. Brotherhood was even better.

FMA is one of the best works of comic fiction ever, not just manga.

Ya that saying "it's the best shonen manga!" Is akin to saying "it's the best pg-13 movie ever" right? Shonen is just the target demographic, not the content of the medium.

Ed beat Father because he couldn't stably maintain God's power due to Hohenheim's massive batman gambit. Hohenheim released all the Amestrian souls Father collected to boost his energy as a catalyst for God, which weakened him just enough for a volley of attacks to wear him down with chip damage. Father couldn't keep up the energy to defend AND regenerate at once, and it only got worse when God himself started trying to escape.
Then Greed sacrificed himself to fuck Father over from the inside out by transmuting his limbs into brittle rock and Ed landed the coup de grace.

Combined efforts of multiple people against a common enemy =/= power of friendship.

It's great.

It's good but most of the villains are pretty boring. I also don't like how alchemy eventually devolved into spamming the ground spikes move, especially in the fights against the Homunculi. For being the main antagonists, they sure died like bitches.

We all know the peak is Zatch Bell.

b b-but but....

My niggas

It bored me in a way only female mangaka seem able to

Its written by a woman, so no. The only thing women are good at writing is the grocery list.

Women will never recover

BT'X rip-off.

>spamming the ground spikes move
this

He didn't post One Piece

Can someone explain HxH's appeal to me? I started watching it because a lot of folk seem to think it's the greatest Shonen ever, and I'm Shonentrash so I gave it a whirl.

I didn't care for it straight away, but you know, this ain't my first rodeo - most Shonen start kinda shitty. So I kept going, I got as far as Gon and Killua sparring with the old guy in the blimp, which was kind of fun, before I just stopped.

I literally didn't care about any of the characters except the briefcase guy and the blonde girly boygirl girlboy, they were interesting. But Gon was boring as fuck and Killua was insufferably irritating.
>muh super strong child assassin

I mean it was fine. I guess. I got a few laughs about how Hunter's seemed to just be everything from Chef's to Police. But I don't see how it's "the best shonen".

You might like the latest arc in the manga since Gon and Killua have effectively been written out of the series for the time being and Kurapika (the blonde girly guy you mention liking) is the main character.

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you mean Attack on titan

Try reading the manga instead (use the Viz scans). If you don't like it by the Yorkshin arc, which is blondie's arc, then drop it

You beat me to it.

mhm-hm.

The first arc is a lot tamer compared to the rest. It's the usual action adventure series. If you liked the girlboy there's something for you two arcs from that point.

>chooses dumbest anime of all time
you should do the world a favor and never post on the internet again

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>Utter shit art for a monthly manga
>Shit villains
>Asspull end
>Irrelevant side fights
>lol I want recognition, better turn my daughter into a dog
>Mustang is killing a piece of shit who killed a comrade, better threat him pointing a gun to his head for being dummy
This show was 30% retarded, 20% shit and 50% overrated.

I think you're 30% retarded. Just my opinion though.

I felt the same way. I loved Yu Yu Hakusho, HxH just felt okay.

Completely disagree with you, think you're a pleb, fuck you.
But you did remind me of one of my favourite bits of FMA!

>Be Central government
>This one nutty alchemist makes chimera capable of human speech
>Thinks this is groundbreaking
>The government makes and knows of dozens of human chimera's capable of reason and blending in with the populace.
>Guy's wife is also missing
>Clearly murdered his wife for funding
>"Should we arrest him sir?"
>..."No, let's...let's see where this goes. Send that fruit cake some money!"
>Years later get reports of a second chimera he made that was destroyed en-route.
>"Alright guys, bets are in whoever had daughter and dog, you're going home with the Ed Pool!"
>Various cheers
>"Anyone who had - Mailman, homeless guy, himself, or prostitutes. Pat yourselves on the back because you clearly thought it through more than this dumb fuck."
>The office laughs then goes back to playing God.

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the only good thing about FMA is the lack of filler. everything else is pretty much shounenshit. i do like bradley as an antagonist and his chemistry with mustang, he didn't feel like the rest of the homunculi

>I literally didn't care about any of the characters except the briefcase guy and the blonde girly boygirl girlboy, they were interesting. But Gon was boring as fuck and Killua was insufferably irritating.
Same for me

I totally agree

He passed off the talking chimera as one made entirely out of animals. The existence of the "humans with superpowers" chimeras was also top secret, meaning not all of the people looking at his research were aware of them.

I appreciate that, but the people at the top did and they were the one's yaying or naying his funding. I just think it's funny that they let the charade go as far as it did.

>fuck you.
>Using "!" unironically typing like a normal fag
>Cross boarding image cancer
This is another reason why I hate FMA, it brings anther bulk of insufferable normalfags. FMA has 1.000.000 watchers in My Faggot List for a reason.

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OFFICIAL RANKING
>(keep in mind that all of these are God Tier)

DBZ Namek Arc > FMA > HxX Chimera Arc > DB

>namek
>God tier

In my defence I'm not at my laptop right now and I have about 3 reaction pics saved here.
It was Sheev or crying Kenshiro and that didn't really apply.

>being this desperate for relevance that you have to bait in the OP or else no one would remember it
>even having to bait to begin with is a sign that the franchise doesn't stand out by its own merits
FMAgs on suicide watch

>>strong, but not overpowered and has weaknesses
I mean he was human so he couldn't regenerate limbs or eyes but if he wasn't taken by surprise he was strong as fuck. He put envy down and barely broke a sweat.

DB could have ended in Namek
>Peak art style
>ALL characters are memorable/iconic to this day
>Death had some importance
>Fights were really good executed
>References to early DB that made the arc feel even bigger
>Perfect balance between early DB fun adventure stuff and late DB fighting power levels

Forget about DBZ. Just imagine reading DB in it's days and getting to the Namek arc.

Mustang and Hawkeye were great representations of what a shell shocked soldier is like. I really enjoyed that about their characters.
Arakawa depicted war in generally in a brutally realistic fashion for a shounen manga.

>"If you kill him, you'll be just like him!"
Defend this.

>power of friendship.

If you're talking about Ed's final decision, that thing was foreshadowed since about chapter 20. All is One, One is All. The gates within each person represent the One, the gate that Father opened to pull "God" out represents the All. Thus, the One is worth the All.
That's why Ed sacrificing his gate was enough to bring back his brother.

It's Ashita no Joe.

We had an entire Thread about why people completely misunderstand that moment if that's what they think? This was an ideological moment for a guy that was going to be a leader. He was torturing Envy and going to kill him out of personal anger rather than like when he killed last which was strictly business.

The point is Roy needs to keep himself more composed if he is going to be the person running this country in the near future. Allowing his anger to push him to that isn't what he, or others wanted.

And before you say anything else, multiple people agreed to kill Envy right there. So it's not as though they were going to let it live.

>"if you kill him you'll be just like him"
they didn't say that. everyone volunteered to kill envy. He wouldn't become envy, no one even suggested that. Envy killed for fun and causing chaos, while Roy would've become a person full of anger that would murder anyone that got in his way just to get his objective done.
They all wanted to kill him, just that Roy needed to calm down before doing it.

Its almost like shounen is a demography and not a genre

But Maria Ross is better

Even if it was out of pure anger, his actions were entirely reasonable. Facing off against a remorseless, murderous creature shouldn't be the point when you bring up not letting your anger get the best of you.

yes

>Facing off against a remorseless, murderous creature shouldn't be the point when you bring up not letting your anger get the best of you.
Yes it is because if that's how he handles a defenseless (envy was just a powerless slug at this point) opponent because of his own grudge what does that say of him as a leader? Roy and Lin both were trying to be leaders that weren't like father or Bradley.

whatever, you edgy faggot. Go kill someone just because they spilled your drink or something.

it's definitely one of the best

>it's entirely reasonable to be judge, jury and executioner.

So basically you wanted Mustang to go full dictator? I mean, I'm not against, he's got a good sense of responsibility, he'd make a good totalitarian leader. But this isn't the manga to show off the virtues of such a system.

The tip is don't listen to people too much. I think it's kinda overrated too but people are allowed to have different tastes. They have a stronger emotional reaction to that than you, for one reason or another.

I love how in the end the old general just took all the glory and roy became depressed and grew a rapestache

it's the pinnacle of shounenshit like dragonball and bleach but that isn't saying much

also
>scar was just forgiven like that
any ntr doujins of scarxwinry? ed deserves it

The best parts of Hunter X Hunter (York New, second half of the Chimera Ant arc, a couple segments of the Hunter Exam) are better than anything in FMA, and HXH has some more complex characters (Meruem, Killua, Ging). That said, FMA is close to flawless, and some parts of Hunter X Hunter are fucking terrible.

>Bleach
>pinnacle of anything

I would say Hunter X Hunter really picks up shortly after where you stopped. Partly with the matches in the prison tower, and especially with the survival trial on the island.

But then it goes to shit properly with the Zoldyck mini arc, and throws in another tournament arc possibly just to fill space. Then it amazing. Then it's sort of goofy fun. Then it's incredibly protracted tedious setup. Then amazing again. Then retarded. Then a totally different series.

>possibly just to fill spac
Heavens arena was the resolution go the hunters exam. Gon got his fight we learn about nen and complete the hidden exam, and we set up greed island which leads us to new york.

It was a good arc and 100% relevant.

I agree. Hunter X Hunter is extremely inconsistent (I even wrote ). I do think most of its quality dips still manage to be entertaining, but some parts (like everything surrounding Alluka) just suck.

would be if the author wasn't constantly attempting to whitewash genocide

It's filing space. Togashi did his smartass counterintuitive end to the tournament. Realised that he'd done a whole 'preparation' arc without introducing the magic shounen powers he wanted and just made a filer arc to dump the nen stuff in. It's got a couple of okay fights in it.

Hisoka vs Gon was a good fight. I'm inclined to agree that the arc was relatively mediocre by series standards.

Don't really see anything wrong with this scene. Envy is still going to die. It's just not Mustang who will be doing the job, but Hawkeye.

I don't know about manga but since brotherhood fellow the same story as the manga...
This pretty much minus the girl dog thing that i found well played.
Second half of brotherhood is just average if you remove wrath and armstrong sister parts.
The ending and how they killed pride and father is just a joke.

HxH2011 will stay for a long time the king of shonen anime.

How interesting that the 2003 anime focuses almost entirely on that genocide.

I don't get why people make it a point to talk about shonen anime/manga, instead of anime/manga in general. It's as if they acknowledge shonen's limitations and use the demographic barrier to preemptively exclude anime/manga from other demographics.

You have failed to understand that post.

No, it's fucked up overrated.

>edgy
Thank for playing. Come up with an actual point next time.

It does when the object of his animus is again, a remorseless, murderous non-human. If Envy were replaced with some other contemptible human being I could see the point in that being a leader means maintaining some level of composed fairness to whomever you meet no matter how repugnant. I couldn't see that with Envy.

Objectively-speaking, Hunter x Hunter is the pinnacle of shonen. By far.

It's as if shonen and other demographics have different trends and standards of storytelling and it's often useful to discuss a particular discrete segment of a thing rather than the entire thing. Do you also make posts like this when people talk about anime films but not tv shows?

i've only bothered with brotherhood. it's ridiculous how they simply glance over the fact that all these "good guys" are genocidal war criminals that only bothered to question wrath's government when he turned on them, while compliantly agreeing to genocide the neighboring people for the blood ritual. The dwarf in the flask and his bastards lacked any empathy for humans and were born out of a blood sacrifice to begin with, but the humans that went along with this are absolutely villainous. When he managed to open the door or whatever it was i was honestly hoping he'd just wipe them all.

There are also many bits that show the author is a complete bootlicker, from the ancient kingdom peasants slaving away for the king and commenting how happy they are to be digging ditches 16h a day, to the oh so subtle allusions to amestris being nazi germany. The fact that people consider a war criminal who burned people to death a hero is disturbing. I don't even have a problem with anti-heroes like ainz in overlord, but when the author tries to present them as the "good guys" it becomes idiotic

>envy just spilled roy drink
>Military police can't kill a confirmed criminal that tried to kill him.

Yeah, that's why I think Brotherhood is kinda inferior (although I don't share some of your points since I don't remember them), it doesn't have a feeling of context to the action, and the elaborate sociopolitical constructions fall a bit flat on the way for exciting character drama and action.

If you haven't seen 2003, it's DEFINITELY up your alley. More than half of the show is covering the genocide in the land of the gypsies, if I remember correctly.