When did it all turn to shit?

When did it all turn to shit?

When you made this thread.

Fate

From the very start.

When Nasu was born

After Tsukihime.

>1998 - Garden of sinners
>2000 - Tsukihime
>2001 - Kagetsu Tohya
>2002 - Melty blood
>2004 - Fate/stay night
>2005 - Fate/hollow ataraxia
>2006 - Fate/zero

...

>2010 - Fate/Extra
>2013 - Fate/Extra CCC
>2014 - Fate/Extra CCC Fox Tail
>2015 - Fate/Grand Order
>2016 - Fate/Extella
>2018 - Fate/Extella Link
>2018 - Fate/Extra - Last Encore
>2018 - Fate/Grand Order Arcade

What's wrong with Fate?

From inception

When Tsukihime came out.

>leaving out Mahoyo
It bombing was the reason Nasu moved away from everything not Fate. If you dont like current TM being all Fate, blame Mahoyo.

Wasn't Type Moon made to make Moon Princess (Tsukihime) content?

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I know this is the easy answer but honestly, genuinely Grand Order. Extra was a nice addition to the canon and people loved Nero before Grand Order. Grand Order introduced a bunch of badly written storylines, badly drawn art, and thousands of tertiaries throwing their money in a way that no organization could ever ignore.

Fate/zero anime

This, Extra did nothing wrong, GO is the one that ruined everything

What's wrong with Grand Order?

Nasu should have made Mahoyo good in the first place

Takeuchi becoming CEO

The real problem was Mahoyo was just a very long novel that didn't have an ending and wasn't a very fun visual novel.

Fate/Zero opened the gates for secondaries and mediocrity.

If Nasu had written or at least supervised the separate stories for FGO would it of been better or would the devs tell to limit his word count and it all fall to shit?

>at least supervised the separate stories for FGO would it of been better
He does supervise and rewrites it, the only problem is Nasu is garbage without Takeuchi shitting on him

>Grand Order introduced a bunch of badly written storylines
So you're just going to ignore all the badly written parts that already existed within the Fate series before GO even showed up?

>and thousands of tertiaries throwing their money in a way that no organization could ever ignore.
This is the real problem. Collaborations of various forms and quality levels existed before, but the gacha format itself is cancerous and attracts idiots who spend like there's no tomorrow on things they don't understand.

How about they should have hired an actually good writer instead of fucking Nasu

What's wrong with Nasu?

Where is Notes?

>Notes

There is no Type Moon without Nasu and Takeuchi

It's still going strong.

Cut your heart loose from its frail bonds of respect and limitation, revel in the sights and sounds, let it all run wild.

>badly written parts that already existed within the Fate series before GO

Examples?

>turn to shit
They're fucking porn VNs, it was always shit.

The writing and characters. Honestly, the only thing it does have going for it is the high concept.

>The writing and characters

Better than Tsukihime.

The entirety of Shirou and Saber's relationship. The first half of HF. All of Sakura's characterization.

Grand Order, I would have been fine with the fate series resolving with just the original VN.

incorrect opinion

Its always been chuunishit though. People are only whining because Nasu has gone mainstream and is enjoying his 40s in wealth.

Correct me if i'm wrong he wrote Fuyuki, Camelot, Babylon, ans Solomon but only overviews the others?

The moment to moment execution can get dumb in Tsukihime, but the character motivations, how relationships grow, and way the plot develops are all miles ahead of Fate, which felt blatantly like Nasu had a handful of scenes in mind and bashed the connections between them together without much care.

>but the character motivations, how relationships grow, and way the plot develops are all miles ahead of Fate, which felt blatantly like Nasu had a handful of scenes in mind and bashed the connections between them together without much care.

Explain yourself

People who don't like visual novels shouldn't be allowed to post on Sup Forums.

Mahoyo was lots of fun though
Soujuurou had me cracking up all the time. The action scenes were over the top and exciting as well
And the OST was 10/10

He would write dialogue for certain characters in orders not handled by him as well. Drake was one, I believe Mozart was another. All of Roman's dialogue is by Nasu too
Nasu also rewrote most of America which was originally done by Higashide

But you didn't buy it.

>Everyone hating on Grand Order
>Not explaining at all how Grand Order ruined Fate
>Grand Order actually made Fate a million times better by retconning and fixxing various plot holes and bad story elements
>Greatly expanded on existing and new characters
Fuck you hates FGO is great.

>Grand Order actually made Fate a million times better by retconning and fixxing various plot holes and bad story elements

??

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NitroPlus happened.

This is the correct answer.

Grand Order might have been a bad thing for the franchise, but it was a good thing for my dick with all the porn it inspired.

>Grand Order actually made Fate a million times better by retconning and fixxing various plot holes and bad story elements
Excuse me?

TM is still good. It's fandom however was poisoned by influx of secondaries after F/Z anime and tertiaries after F/GO.

type moon was always shit, it’s just that the beginning works were less shit than the later ones

Extra wasn't nice addition, it is an alternative universy with a very different setting. It was project in which fate part wasn't even needed, but was added just to sell this trash.

Grand Order

Can't argue that. Only problem is, I've yet to find an artist who does Scathach justice.

Fate/extra already showed that they don't give a fuck anymore and gonna milk their franchise, FGO was just a big success after a couple of failures.

If Tsukihime was about self-worth, and F/SN was about idealism, what was the core theme of Mahoyo?

This. The influx of newfags and secondaries after F/Z aired was the downfall of the fandom. Gacha game format for FGO sucks, but outside of that the story content is ADV, there's a lot of text and the later chapters are quite good.

Zero was the last good Fate installment.

fgo made tm bearable again

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Fate grand order and Fate Zero is dogshit

When Japan's collective awful taste made it obvious that the best move for TM financially was to focus on shitting out Fate products on an assembly line and abandoning the objectively superior Tsukihime and Kara no Kyokai. I don't even blame Nasu for it, I'd probably do the same thing.

Are you retarded

Melty Blood is the only good thing to come out of Tsukihime.

So it WAS F/Zero that fucked up the franchise.

I mean, there's not a lot of works which you can say are perfectly written, and Fate definitely had some pretty bad parts. But the within Fate the worst parts were pretty easy to ignore unless you have raging autism/your waifu doesn't win, or they stemmed from the sex scenes that had to be added for commercial value. The anime adaptations weren't terrible either, for as much as people like to shit on them.

when they produced garbage and that garbage gave them far more profits than anything they had produced thus far. At that point they had no choice, create unique interesting stories or rehash garbage for 100 times the profit.

>Fate definitely had some pretty bad parts.

Like what?

When they released FSN and didn't include a Caster route.

not him but the cooking sences are one example.

>american pig who can't appreciate food beyond stuffing his face

You haven't read the VN and just parroting someone else's bullshit.

not an ameriacn though. another

what makes you say that?

Cooking sences are so good that someone made a manga about it and that manga is now a TV show

Apocrypha is when it started to go to shit and it completely went to shit after Grand Order. Not that I care, I'll still play their games and read their content.

good for him. of course there people who enjoyed those sences but im not one of them. they dragged on for too long. especially bad in HF.

FGO

Tsukihime is the only decent work to come from Type Moon. And even then the manga is far superior to the VN. Face it, everything else they've made has been badly written drivel with terrible characters. How Fate even managed to get as popular as it is is a testament to how shit Japan's taste is.

Prove me wrong.

Pro tip: You can't.

>And even then the manga is far superior to the VN.

How?

How not?

Arc route was handled far better in the manga compared to the anime. The characters felt more fleshed out and the extra material added to the material really helped the story. Fight scenes where a big plus as well.

Well even Nasu acknowledges the manga adapts and surpasses the near side routes and wants to surpass it with the remake.

When the make another season of Carnival Phantasm they’ll save everything.

Only 3 or 4 more years.

They always were shit

What kind of effect did GO have on fate overall in terms of lore and such?

How does it surpass the near side routes?

Have you read it?

>Face it, everything else they've made has been badly written drivel with terrible characters.

CCC

The Fate/stay night VN.

Except that the manga all but completely omits the Far Side routes, which are infinitely superior to the Near Side routes, you utter philistine. And even if they weren't, it doesn't change the fact that the manga is missing half the full story.
All of which you'd know if you'd actually read the VN.

Doesn't it skip the Ciel route?

wrong. red saber was jumping the shark. extra was the moment the series went from being about a conflict between masters and their ideologies to secondary baiting with servants half of which look like saber.

This is nonsense. Everyone enjoyed the Deadliest Warrior aspect of Fate. All GO did was streamline the process so you can have a humorous short story about your favorite historical figures without forcing them into a vn/novel/manga/game they don't fit in.

A significant portion of that too, yes. But the most egregious part is the fact that it completely omits Kohaku and Hisui's story, undermining the core part of the Tohno story.

Not that a linear manga should be expected to adapt every route, it'd just end up a mess, and the manga is fine for what it set out to accomplish. But the fact that people still go on like it's anything more than a solid adaptation of Arc's route with some nice extras is obnoxious, and actually claiming it's an acceptable alternative, let alone superior, to the VN is just plain fucking wrong and outright malignant misinformation for anyone wanting to get into TM at this point.

Do you expect them to mix Near Side and Far Side?

When YOU got butthurt about a mobage
they're still cashing money and pumping out content

Did you even read my post? No. The problem isn't the manga itself, it's that people spread misinformation indicating it's better than/an acceptable alternative to the VN when it's not.