Why is this held in such high regard? The first five episodes are nothing but hamfisted social commemtary, and the last seven are such a jumbled mess of plot exposition that the actually interesting ideas get drowned out. Is it just because people like to ride Yuasa's dick?

Yuasa stepped outside the comfort zone. One of the most unique looking anime to be broadcast.

He already did that with Kemonozume. All that he brings to the table here are some good scifi ideas and a kinda unique artstyle.

I love the artstyle and all but yeah I gotta go with you on this one I was utterly disappointed after watching Kaiba. Too much abstract and not enough substance. I've watched many of Yuasa work before it and they all were much better.

What about the social commentary was hamfisted?

>Typical "Rich vs. Poor" dystopian narrative
>entire Chronico episode is contingent on the stepmother being a dense cunt
>Entire Grandmother episode is contingent on the children being one-dimensional pricks
>Cabitalizmz iz bad :DDD
>Stock subplots about planned obsolescence/dehumanization
>Soylent Green is people

Each episode presents new ideas to the specific established theme, the characters are entertaining, the art is beatiful, the music is eery and unique. It's both interesting intelectualy but also stimulating on multiple level emotionally. It is good in dosing exposition. It's also the best work every made by a man who also happens to be the best film director in the history of this planet.

Best Yuasa is ping pong tho

I meant "best in general" not "5th best among his works".

It really flew over your head, didn't? One of the worst societies presented in the series was extremely egalitarian and the main antagonist was poor.

I wasn't referring to the second half of the show.

>Not talking about me

Also, Popo's motivation was an attempt at climbing the social ladder, so it still fits in the framework of your average dystopian cyberpunk narrative regarding class. Alita did more or less the same story over 10 years prior, and it wasn't even original then.

>when youre so butthurt and arrogant and you lose the ability to read
its hilarious how people who like yuasas/ikuharas works always assume that people who dislike them couldnt possibly have "gotten" them. you people are pretty pitiful, gotta say.

I must've watched a completely different anime. I'll have to give it a rewatch before I can honestly contest your claims.But I'll see what dishonest contentions I can make.

But I didn't see much of what you saw in it. The chroniko episode was a meditation on how disgusting your decisions might become if you have mental blind spots, iirc the stepmother got rid of the memories of her sister because of the pain she associated with her death. Chroniko was the last reminder of her sister's death, so she sought to end her as well. Only to have the truth of the love she felt for her sister and Chroniko unclouded after she finds another
route (via the piano) to her occluded memories. Sure she was being dense, but human stories are driven by human faults.

I thought the "Rich vs. Poor" narrative was inverted, since the poor were portrayed as downtrodden yet living in tight-knit communities, and the rich were living in some sort of meaningless hellscape of body-switching and memory doping. With all the freedom they had, all the rich could do was abuse pleasure until they experienced a fall. I also remember the anti-gov't revolutionaries as being atypical, but I don't remember why.

I can't say much about the capitalism and grandmother episode too much, since I either don't remember what you're referring to or have poor memories of it. Idk about soylent green too.

In fact, I think it was barely a scifi. More an abstraction on the fickle nature of memory and identity and the recovery of what lies constant to all memories. The anime examined a lot of different expressions of love too.I think the fact that we saw it so differently speaks to its worth as an anime.

It's one of the few anime that has made me cry, so I have fond memories of it.

Update: I'm currently crying again from watching the Chroniko stepmother remembrance scene.

My sad boner is so erect right now.

Your post showed zero indication of you actually getting it. Don't complain about having your opinions discarded when the only ones you've shared were in the form of a memearrow shitpost.

>I thought the "Rich vs. Poor" narrative was inverted, since the poor were portrayed as downtrodden yet living in tight-knit communities, and the rich were living in some sort of meaningless hellscape of body-switching and memory doping.
If you've ever had to suffer through a work of socialist realism, you'd know that when you frame the society in a work of fiction as having fundamental systemic social issues from a class-derived base, you are forced to interpret the superstructural characteristics--including the behavior of individual characters--as having arisen from that base. I'm not accusing Yuasa as being some sort of-crypto communist (Kaiba had much more in common with Metropolis than The Lower Depths), but the concept is essentially the same here.

Interesting thing in Kaiba is that the behavior of the main character is both derived from the base and is the base of the society itself. I don't know anything about socialist realism though.

Also why classify individual behavior as superstructural when individuals compose a society, and not the other way around? It seems a bit topsy turvy to me.

>I don't know anything about socialist realism though.
You're not missing much. I really detest stories that derive all characterization from a perceived societal flaw, I think it makes for flat and boring characters. If Kaiba had stuck to the romance aspects, it would've been much better.

Remind me what happened in the climax again?

Ask Karl Marx, it's his retardation, not mine.

Oh man, so much shit all at once that I don't think I'd be able to recount it in a way that would be more concise than actually watching it.

>a pretentious Yuasa anime
Gee, what a surprise.

Isn't this just like spiritual bs?

Or at least what was the perceived flaw and how did it get resolved. They destroyed the memory bank store that Kaiba had maintained and pledged to live anew in the moment, or something like that?

It's literal dialectical mumbo-jumbo from the 19th century. It's so ingrained in the kind of storytelling that Kaiba does that even if you subvert it by having a member of the upper class cause change (as in Kaiba and Metropolis), the overall result is still more or less the same.

Yeah, but there was all the shit about Kaiba's mother, and the Warp clones, and the collector, and the Kaiba plant, and then Dark Kaiba. I think there was exposition about the crippled guy, too.

It's a great show simply because you can't walk away from it without a strong opinion. About all I remember is Kaiba finding out he was the evil, that one part at the end with side villains literally shooting each other in the back one after another, and a sense that life was worthless. Oh, and that one scene on the ship where they sucked into some fetish flower. Show is so fucking weird.
Fucking chrono holy shit.

I really like it because it gave me a nice warm feeling inside.

Honestly the kaiba op makes me fucking cry

Art style, high-concept science-fictional goings-on, and a general mystery-plot factor add up to compelling TV.

I love Kaiba, I've watched it around 4 times and should probably look to go on for my 5th soon. Any anime that makes me cry four consecutive times throughout it's 1-cour run is a winner in my book. I also really dig the Tezuka inspired style, I wish it showed up more often.

This looks much better than tememi galaxy, should try it later

I don't understand at all how you came up with such impercipient generalizations