Considering "Fate/Stay night" as good or better than Zero

>Considering "Fate/Stay night" as good or better than Zero
Objectively shit taste and shit opinion. Take Shirou for an example

Shirou is the worst sin of it all, the fucking worst of the worst. The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1. Fucking really? Fucking all that journey and you didn´t grow a fucking squat. Same shitty faggot. And don´t come and say he was badass in certain fights. Because it means nothing when we all pretend like it didnt happen some days after.

Jesus fuck FSN was trash compared to KnK and Tsuki

Stay night is far better than anything on the franchise right now

>watching the anime

you made the faggot trash decision retard, the anime is dog shit compared to the visual novel, the visual novel actually had fun shit and extras, and even things to fuck around with the anime is dog shit. If you try finding the vn you wont even get the right version it starts off with the game and its sjw rewritten cancer.

Nasus's writing isn't good to begin with.

>expecting the self insert of a porn novel to have actual character development

Only newfags care about H stay rhino.

Tsuki had it

Literally every single issue you have gets fixed in HF. Read the VN.

I did, HF is same shit with more worms, shitty "heroine" and gay arm. Shiro is still same Shiro in the end

>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1

>literally gives up the ideal that made him so insufferable in the first two routes
>same Shiro
Also, Sakura is best girl, you pleb.

You could say the exact same about Kiritsugu in Zero.
He doesn't change or develop we just learn more about him and why he is like he is, exactly like with Shirou.

That being said, Kiritsugu is still more interesting.

ITT: morons with not a scant grain of reading comprehension.

There's a reason Nasu stated that Shirou as a character doesn't actually grow. He doesn't change nor does he learn, he simply comes to terms with things he already knows. Every "big reveal" he does about his own character is about things he is aware of already, but tries not to think about.

I'm not sure if it's just dumbass Zero kiddies or what, but anybody who thinks Kiritsugu is the most mature of the two completely missed the point of both characters. Shirou begins, right from the get-go fully aware of the impossibility of his ideal. The screenshot is from early Fate route. He's not just aware of the difficulty, he's aware of the inherent contradiction: a world where everyone is saved is, for the most part, logically impossible. Even with near omnipotent powers, you cannot preserve both the attacker and the victim just as they are, because success for one side implies failure for the other.

Kiritsugu was seriously going for the Grail to attain a perfect world. He lied to himself into not accepting the idiotic contradiction and thought such a thing could really exist. It's such a dumb idea that Rin points it out offhand to both Archer and Shirou early on, and neither does anything other than casually nod because it's not news to them either. Kiritsugu's obsessive with pragmatism to the point of needless cruelty was his idiotic overcompensation for the fact that he never managed to get rid of his childish nature or fully accept reality. He actually, up to the end, thought his dream was something that could exist in reality if he just got his hands on a big enough power.

Shirou never cared for any of that. He understood the contradiction right from the beginning. The worst Kiritsugu says here were something he only accepted at the very end of his life, but Shirou grasps them perfectly from the start. There's no naivety in Shirou.

Shirou's desire is not to save people or achieve a perfect world. That's what he faces when he fights Archer, and the misunderstanding everyone else has of him. He was reduced to a blank slate, and once he had lost everything, he saw Kiritsugu's happy face when he saved him.

That's the single thing he wants for himself, not to save people, but "to be someone who saves people." It's the action he cares about first of all, the result is a bonus. He thinks being one who tries to save others is beautiful in and of itself, because he was struck by the concept of it when Kriitsugu saved him.

That's why he can pursue a futile course of action, because the course of action is in itself what he is after, regardless of a result.

tl;dr Anybody who thinks Shirou believes he can save everyone needs to get better at reading. The whole point of him commiserating with Kotomine at the end of HF is that he realized they were both capable of pursuing a goal they fully understood to be 100% impossible.

>Shirou doesn't change or develop
Fuck off

>FSN was trash compared to KnK and Tsuki

>Zero babby
Didn't even bother to read your shit opinion.

>Sakura route is canon ending
Rin and Saberfags eternally blown the fuck out. No wonder "all endings are canon" damage control originated from them and Takeuchi

>Considering "Fate/Stay night" as good or better than Zero
The only metric by which Zero is better than F/SN is having a prettier anime adaptation

>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1
I refuse to believe that anyone could actually read the VN, or even just get a few days into any route, and come to this conclusion
And that's even more baffling criticism when you're comparing it to Zero, where Kiritsugu is the same autistic manchild from the start all the way to the Grail pulling the rug out from under him, and even at the very end when he was forced to realize his ideals were worthless and he'd wasted his whole life he couldn't let them go and stop Shirou from trying to follow in his footsteps.

>don´t come and say he was badass in certain fights. Because it means nothing when we all pretend like it didnt happen some days after.
What the fuck does this even mean

ITT: secondaries

>muh

Way too many anons are falling for OPs weak bait. If he had just said Zero is better because Shirou is stupid, it would have been believable. But when he said that Shirou was the same person at the end, that should have tipped you off. Unless he just watched DEEN.

this but unironically

2/3 routes Shirou is the same person, he just falls love with Saber or Rin but his antics continue as planned

>I can't fucking read anything below surface level character

Theres nothing to read into

Zero was fucking garbage
It could of been a crazy ass full power grail war
instead you get talking and saber getting her arm nerfed again. Whole shit was just a rehash

That's exactly what someone who can't read into it would say.

HF > Tsuki Far Side > Tsuki near side (Manga) > Prisma (movie) > Prisma (manga) > KnK > CP > UBW (VN) > Fate (VN) > Prisma (TV anime) > Tsuki Near Side > Zero (anime)

Dropped the UBW tv anime 2bh

t man fellating an eroge

U has mental problems or trolling??

Swap Fate route with Prisma's anime and it's a solid ranking

If we're talking the first season I'd put it just below the manga.
The next 3 seasons were pretty meh though.

I think 2wei was pretty solid too.

Except Fate Shirou and UBW Shirou are completely different. UBW Shirou understands the consequences of being a hero, and will do his best to minimize those consequences, while still following his ideal. Fate Shirou is just as retarded as he was at the start, and will be an autist like Kiritsugu.

>. UBW Shirou understands the consequences of being a hero, and will do his best to minimize those consequences
What? In UBW he literally followed Archers footsteps near perfectly except he didnt sell out his soul

>In UBW he literally followed Archers footsteps near perfectly

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>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1. Fucking really? Fucking all that journey and you didn´t grow a fucking squat. Same shitty faggot.
That's literally not true.

>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1.

>Fate is him seeing the grim reality of that stubbornness and incorporating what he learned from Saber into what he believes in and how tragic it is. He cannot reconcile fantasy and reality but still stubbornly tries
>UBW is him realizing just how lost he really is, but that despite that fallacy, he will push on because he truly believes that there's something worth fighting for within that dream despite only persisting in it before
>Heaven's Feel is him abandoning the ideal not because of its fallacy but because he isn't willing to pay a price that extends further than it or him.

Why do people from Beast's Lair keep coming here? Don't they have enough people to pretend to that they played the VN over there?

>2/3 routes MC "learns" something important but still does same old stupid shit like he did at day 1
Thanks for proving my point sempai

anime is more canon given its newer

The best part is people blaming the translation or dodgy japanese for how it isn't the main end of the game.

>2/3 routes MC "learns" something important but still does same old stupid shit like he did at day 1
The fact that you take this for face value instead of a mere quick summary only reveals your Beast's Lair colors even further, user. Quickly, before someone doesn't reply to your forum post!

>anime is more canon
Thank you user, it's been a while since I've seen good bait.

>bait
UBW like HF was done with Nasu. Its extension and upgrade made by the author himself. You might call it the definitive edition but everything thats reimagined was done by authors wishes. Nasu clearly had things he wanted to change

Of course retcons and such are canon. For example he handwaved away servants lose memories slick too

>For example he handwaved away servants lose memories slick too

No he didn't.

watch the epilogue fag

It's 2018 and people are still falling for bait like this.

>being this retarded
Saber explained everything.

>this delusional
Retcons happen all the time

All secondary’s should fucking hang

Gotta defend the honor of their chuuni picture book.

Wew youre an actual retard
btw nice bait

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But I already knew that.

kek

>he didn't read the vn

It wasn't even fucking retconned though. Saber was never a Heroic Spirit to begin with you mongoloid

Watch the fucking epilogue you sperg, who the fuck was talking about Saber

OH. I see, you're so retarded that you were referring to the anime. I was talking about Last Episode from RN. You know, the actual epilogue. And the epilogue of UBW TV has nothing about spirits remembering shit. If you're referring to Archer, he doesn't remember his time as a servant. He just remembers his life, when he was Shirou.

So do they ever explain why shiro has red hair

> He just remembers his life, when he was Shirou.
Except he talked about his time as a servant in HGW both in anime and VN

This. But some people are just morons and can't read.