>Considering "Fate/Stay night" as good or better than Zero Objectively shit taste and shit opinion. Take Shirou for an example
Shirou is the worst sin of it all, the fucking worst of the worst. The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1. Fucking really? Fucking all that journey and you didn´t grow a fucking squat. Same shitty faggot. And don´t come and say he was badass in certain fights. Because it means nothing when we all pretend like it didnt happen some days after.
Jesus fuck FSN was trash compared to KnK and Tsuki
Hunter Young
Stay night is far better than anything on the franchise right now
Xavier Hughes
>watching the anime
you made the faggot trash decision retard, the anime is dog shit compared to the visual novel, the visual novel actually had fun shit and extras, and even things to fuck around with the anime is dog shit. If you try finding the vn you wont even get the right version it starts off with the game and its sjw rewritten cancer.
Connor Fisher
Nasus's writing isn't good to begin with.
Dominic Anderson
>expecting the self insert of a porn novel to have actual character development
David Morris
Only newfags care about H stay rhino.
Lucas Rogers
Tsuki had it
Isaac Evans
Literally every single issue you have gets fixed in HF. Read the VN.
Luis Diaz
I did, HF is same shit with more worms, shitty "heroine" and gay arm. Shiro is still same Shiro in the end
Charles Hernandez
>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1
Dylan Miller
>literally gives up the ideal that made him so insufferable in the first two routes >same Shiro Also, Sakura is best girl, you pleb.
Joseph Myers
You could say the exact same about Kiritsugu in Zero. He doesn't change or develop we just learn more about him and why he is like he is, exactly like with Shirou.
That being said, Kiritsugu is still more interesting.
Gavin Robinson
ITT: morons with not a scant grain of reading comprehension.
There's a reason Nasu stated that Shirou as a character doesn't actually grow. He doesn't change nor does he learn, he simply comes to terms with things he already knows. Every "big reveal" he does about his own character is about things he is aware of already, but tries not to think about.
I'm not sure if it's just dumbass Zero kiddies or what, but anybody who thinks Kiritsugu is the most mature of the two completely missed the point of both characters. Shirou begins, right from the get-go fully aware of the impossibility of his ideal. The screenshot is from early Fate route. He's not just aware of the difficulty, he's aware of the inherent contradiction: a world where everyone is saved is, for the most part, logically impossible. Even with near omnipotent powers, you cannot preserve both the attacker and the victim just as they are, because success for one side implies failure for the other.
Kiritsugu was seriously going for the Grail to attain a perfect world. He lied to himself into not accepting the idiotic contradiction and thought such a thing could really exist. It's such a dumb idea that Rin points it out offhand to both Archer and Shirou early on, and neither does anything other than casually nod because it's not news to them either. Kiritsugu's obsessive with pragmatism to the point of needless cruelty was his idiotic overcompensation for the fact that he never managed to get rid of his childish nature or fully accept reality. He actually, up to the end, thought his dream was something that could exist in reality if he just got his hands on a big enough power.
Shirou never cared for any of that. He understood the contradiction right from the beginning. The worst Kiritsugu says here were something he only accepted at the very end of his life, but Shirou grasps them perfectly from the start. There's no naivety in Shirou.
Alexander Baker
Shirou's desire is not to save people or achieve a perfect world. That's what he faces when he fights Archer, and the misunderstanding everyone else has of him. He was reduced to a blank slate, and once he had lost everything, he saw Kiritsugu's happy face when he saved him.
That's the single thing he wants for himself, not to save people, but "to be someone who saves people." It's the action he cares about first of all, the result is a bonus. He thinks being one who tries to save others is beautiful in and of itself, because he was struck by the concept of it when Kriitsugu saved him.
That's why he can pursue a futile course of action, because the course of action is in itself what he is after, regardless of a result.
tl;dr Anybody who thinks Shirou believes he can save everyone needs to get better at reading. The whole point of him commiserating with Kotomine at the end of HF is that he realized they were both capable of pursuing a goal they fully understood to be 100% impossible.
Jose Thomas
>Shirou doesn't change or develop Fuck off
Matthew White
>FSN was trash compared to KnK and Tsuki
Carson Ward
>Zero babby Didn't even bother to read your shit opinion.
Ryan Fisher
>Sakura route is canon ending Rin and Saberfags eternally blown the fuck out. No wonder "all endings are canon" damage control originated from them and Takeuchi
Matthew Lee
>Considering "Fate/Stay night" as good or better than Zero The only metric by which Zero is better than F/SN is having a prettier anime adaptation
>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1 I refuse to believe that anyone could actually read the VN, or even just get a few days into any route, and come to this conclusion And that's even more baffling criticism when you're comparing it to Zero, where Kiritsugu is the same autistic manchild from the start all the way to the Grail pulling the rug out from under him, and even at the very end when he was forced to realize his ideals were worthless and he'd wasted his whole life he couldn't let them go and stop Shirou from trying to follow in his footsteps.
>don´t come and say he was badass in certain fights. Because it means nothing when we all pretend like it didnt happen some days after. What the fuck does this even mean
Sebastian Rivera
ITT: secondaries
Ethan Rivera
>muh
Dylan Jackson
Way too many anons are falling for OPs weak bait. If he had just said Zero is better because Shirou is stupid, it would have been believable. But when he said that Shirou was the same person at the end, that should have tipped you off. Unless he just watched DEEN.
Angel Parker
this but unironically
Brandon Jenkins
2/3 routes Shirou is the same person, he just falls love with Saber or Rin but his antics continue as planned
Sebastian Gutierrez
>I can't fucking read anything below surface level character
Noah Foster
Theres nothing to read into
Jaxon Barnes
Zero was fucking garbage It could of been a crazy ass full power grail war instead you get talking and saber getting her arm nerfed again. Whole shit was just a rehash
Evan Brown
That's exactly what someone who can't read into it would say.
Ryder Edwards
HF > Tsuki Far Side > Tsuki near side (Manga) > Prisma (movie) > Prisma (manga) > KnK > CP > UBW (VN) > Fate (VN) > Prisma (TV anime) > Tsuki Near Side > Zero (anime)
Dropped the UBW tv anime 2bh
Joshua Martinez
t man fellating an eroge
Dominic Fisher
U has mental problems or trolling??
Grayson Fisher
Swap Fate route with Prisma's anime and it's a solid ranking
Oliver Jackson
If we're talking the first season I'd put it just below the manga. The next 3 seasons were pretty meh though.
Aaron Bell
I think 2wei was pretty solid too.
Nathaniel Baker
Except Fate Shirou and UBW Shirou are completely different. UBW Shirou understands the consequences of being a hero, and will do his best to minimize those consequences, while still following his ideal. Fate Shirou is just as retarded as he was at the start, and will be an autist like Kiritsugu.
Cooper Howard
>. UBW Shirou understands the consequences of being a hero, and will do his best to minimize those consequences What? In UBW he literally followed Archers footsteps near perfectly except he didnt sell out his soul
Nathaniel Cox
>In UBW he literally followed Archers footsteps near perfectly
Anthony Bailey
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Grayson Anderson
>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1. Fucking really? Fucking all that journey and you didn´t grow a fucking squat. Same shitty faggot. That's literally not true.
Leo Cook
>The MC is the same guy at the end of it all, as he was in day 1.
>Fate is him seeing the grim reality of that stubbornness and incorporating what he learned from Saber into what he believes in and how tragic it is. He cannot reconcile fantasy and reality but still stubbornly tries >UBW is him realizing just how lost he really is, but that despite that fallacy, he will push on because he truly believes that there's something worth fighting for within that dream despite only persisting in it before >Heaven's Feel is him abandoning the ideal not because of its fallacy but because he isn't willing to pay a price that extends further than it or him.
Why do people from Beast's Lair keep coming here? Don't they have enough people to pretend to that they played the VN over there?
Jose Nelson
>2/3 routes MC "learns" something important but still does same old stupid shit like he did at day 1 Thanks for proving my point sempai
anime is more canon given its newer
Julian Morris
The best part is people blaming the translation or dodgy japanese for how it isn't the main end of the game.
Nathaniel Jackson
>2/3 routes MC "learns" something important but still does same old stupid shit like he did at day 1 The fact that you take this for face value instead of a mere quick summary only reveals your Beast's Lair colors even further, user. Quickly, before someone doesn't reply to your forum post!
Brody Anderson
>anime is more canon Thank you user, it's been a while since I've seen good bait.
Ian Diaz
>bait UBW like HF was done with Nasu. Its extension and upgrade made by the author himself. You might call it the definitive edition but everything thats reimagined was done by authors wishes. Nasu clearly had things he wanted to change
Of course retcons and such are canon. For example he handwaved away servants lose memories slick too
Alexander Thomas
>For example he handwaved away servants lose memories slick too
No he didn't.
Luke Hall
watch the epilogue fag
Grayson Sanchez
It's 2018 and people are still falling for bait like this.
Ryan Stewart
>being this retarded Saber explained everything.
Ethan Parker
>this delusional Retcons happen all the time
Chase Martinez
All secondary’s should fucking hang
Angel Perry
Gotta defend the honor of their chuuni picture book.
Brayden Jenkins
Wew youre an actual retard btw nice bait
Camden Thompson
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Eli Young
But I already knew that.
Aaron Rivera
kek
Justin King
>he didn't read the vn
Hudson Robinson
It wasn't even fucking retconned though. Saber was never a Heroic Spirit to begin with you mongoloid
Ayden Torres
Watch the fucking epilogue you sperg, who the fuck was talking about Saber
Gavin Lopez
OH. I see, you're so retarded that you were referring to the anime. I was talking about Last Episode from RN. You know, the actual epilogue. And the epilogue of UBW TV has nothing about spirits remembering shit. If you're referring to Archer, he doesn't remember his time as a servant. He just remembers his life, when he was Shirou.
Ryder White
So do they ever explain why shiro has red hair
Gavin Powell
> He just remembers his life, when he was Shirou. Except he talked about his time as a servant in HGW both in anime and VN
Logan Williams
This. But some people are just morons and can't read.