>Hisoka lurking around the ship somewhere, nobody knows where.
>illumi is there,sayingHisoka hired him to try and kill him, showing that this is all part of Hisoka's plans
>Aware of the fact Hisoka is now actively hunting the troupe, has enhanced RUBBER NEN powers due to his death experience, and has already killed 2 members
>Let's split up, Gang!
Fucking WHAT? is this a 90's slasher flick? why the fuck would you split up to give him the chance to pick you off one at a time?
Especially considering the fact that Hisoka's newly enhanced powers may make it possible for him to remodel his face using his ribber nen and deceitful texture, and t's not that difficult to give a false impression of your height and build with the right clothes
Hisoka could literally be in that room with them right now and they'd have no way to tell
>has enhanced RUBBER NEN powers due to his death experience
He doesn't have stronger powers retard. Looks like you are no better than Chrollo.
They used to have great comedic scenes, I'm going to miss them.
he literally does. he specifically used the fact that nen gets stronger after death to come back, and the change is permanant.
if you re-read the scene, he does a bunch of shit with his powers after waking up he said he's never done before.
Strong, life altering experiences have an effect on your nen. Death has a strong effect on your nen.
> he does a bunch of shit with his powers after waking up he said he's never done before.
like patching himself up? dont think he actually said he couldnt do it before
he didn't just patch himself up, he literally remade his limbs entirely out of nen.
>Hisoka could literally be in that room with them right now and they'd have no way to tell
Chrollo is Hisoka, right?
Even a weakling like Sadosa could do that. This is basic shit for a transmuter, you retarded speed reader.
or Illumi is
Remember back when Illumi disguised himself as Hisoka back in Yorknew?
Callback
>enhanced RUBBER NEN powers due to his death experience
Why doesn't everyone do this to strengthen their nen?
No, you stupid fucking mongoloid.
Sadosa's specific ability, was creating an arm out of nen, with a special paralysis effect
Hisoka's ability is simply altering his nen into a special substance with the properties of rubber and gum. he has NEVER shaped it. ever. he attaches it to stuff, or uses it as a big wad like when he caught Razor's ball.
not only did he shape it into a solid form, but he's still able to use his new limbs normally, and alter/control their shape further to fight like when he used his new rubber nen foot to give him a quick dash when killing Shalnark
Do you think Killua can just randomly turn his nen into a giant electric arm and use it to thunderpunch shit? I mean, he's transformation right?
Hisoka did this totally at random, and his words made it clear he'd never tried it before. his nen has been enhanced by his near death experience.
because they need a way to bring themselves back. Not everyone has a power like Hisoka's that can be used to directly kickstart their heart.
And even then it was still a total gamble on it working or not. most people just don't wanna risk dying for keeps.
because that's not chrollo, it's hisoka
>he has NEVER shaped it.
Jesus you're a fucking moron. Transmuters can shape their nen. Even Gon can give his aura the shape and sharpness of a blade. There's nothing special about it.
Because it isn't a Zenkai, you DBS watcher. You and the other nimrod need to read slower. The "stronger" aspect relates to residual nen being able to stay after the user dies, that's pretty much been the case since forever
Because people aren't certain that they can bring themselves back, or that their nen will even remain after they die. Hisoka tried it because he was going to die anyway. Though there do seem to be two people that have hatsu that involve their own death, Kite, and Cammy.
Hello. I’m Illumi.
Wouldn't it be suspicious if they all stayed together?
They don't have OH MY.
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It took gon months of training just to figure out how to give his nen that VERY basic shape, you dipshit.
Hisoka out of nowhere, crafted limbs from his bungee gum, and can exert such fine control over them that he can still use them as normal limbs, digits and all.
Show me ONE scene of Hisoka ever shaping his bungee gum. ever. he never does. his ability revolves around altering it's nature and texture, not it's shape. Shape manipulation is a whole other thing that requires special training.
Name a Transformer that just randomly free-form changes their nen shape at will. they always have a SPECIFIC shape, or set of shapes, they use.
Even Morel doesn't do it that way. his ability creates a solid core of nen, and utilizes manipulation to shape smoke. NOBODY free form reshapes their nen like this at the drop of a hat, with no prior training
What is so hard for your thick head to grasp? major, traumatic events have a profound effect on your nen.
forgot to add...gheyboi
How exactly would he change his voice to match Chrollo? I can see him altering appearance but not voice
Why is this fanbase cursed to have so many stupid posters, huh?
I thought the hiatuses would drive them away not bring them closer. I only hope when DBS ends, they flock to MHA and OP threads and leave us be.
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>It took gon months of training just to figure out how to give his nen that VERY basic shape, you dipshit.
Because he isn't a natural transmuter you fucking moron.
>Show me ONE scene of Hisoka ever shaping his bungee gum. ever. he never does.
His bungee gum is exerted through ropes of nen. How the hell is that not a reshape? All he did was make a prosthetic out of rubber, there's no fine control. The prosthetic on his fingers aren't find control because he's just manipulating the stubs . Off yourself fag.
>so many posts with reddit spacing
>hxhfags are ledditors
I hope togashit breaks his back so this series would go into a longer hiatus
>his ability revolves around altering it's nature and texture, not it's shape.
Transmuters can do both and the later is incredibly easy. Please go back to whatever shithole you came from.
No, it isn't you dipshit.
what part of "my bungee gum has the traits of both rubber and gum" did your dumbass miss?
His aura is all around him, as nen always is. he transforms this aura, into his bungee gun.
His bungee gum NATURALLY sticks to shit, as IT HAS THE NATURE OF GUM, then it stretches out when he puts more space between himself and the thing, with the ability to expand and contract, BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS THE NATURE OF RUBBER
he is not shaping his nen, at all. He is just turning his aura into the gum, sticking it on shit, and it just acts naturally from there.
it's like saying Killua is shaping his nen into the electricity that surrounds him when he's using his ability. He's not doing that, his nen is simply being exerted that way because of what he transforms his aura into
Good god you're fucking thick
CAN, not do, dumbass. Again, show me a panel of Hisoka actually altering his nen's shape before this. ANYONE can transform their nen's shape. Emitters do it all the time. doesn't mean they all do, or even most do.
Hisoka never shapes his bungee gum, he only uses it in it's natural state. it simply acts exactly how a substance made of gum and rubber would act.
>It took gon months of training just to figure out how to give his nen that VERY basic shape, you dipshit.
If there was ever a case of certain people that should have never picked up the series in the first place...
>CAN, not do, dumbass. Again, show me a panel of Hisoka actually altering his nen's shape before this.
>ANYONE can transform their nen's shape. Emitters do it all the time. doesn't mean they all do, or even most do.
So, which is it. They can do it or not? Retard.
Nen without being shape is a mass of aura. When you throw nen ropes then your obviously giving it shape. Jesus, why do retards like you read this series.
Which is not arguing my point at all.
NOBODY uses shape manipulation that casually. By your logic, every transformer would just be constantly turning their aura into spare hands and shit all the time for convenience
When people use shape manipulation, it is in SPECIFIC, preconceived ways. Razor shapes his nen into his devils. Gon shapes his nen into a blade. Machi shapes her nen into string.
NOBODY just randomly free-form shapes their nen like this, out of nowhere. literally nobody. they use it in the same way people use materialization, creating a certain shape that they had previously practiced.
You won't suddenly see Machi turn her strings into chains, or Razor snap his fingers and turn his Devils into exact physical copies of whoever he's currently fighting. They are pre-conceived, pre-made shapes.
>NOBODY uses shape manipulation that casually. By your logic, every transformer would just be constantly turning their aura into spare hands and shit all the time for convenience
Wow, what a retarded non-sequitur can someone just post hisoka making that skull with his aura so we can shut this retard up.
Yeah, spiders are known for their great teamwork.
Are you this fucking dumb? I never said Hisoka is incapable of shape manipulation. I said he';s never actually used it with bungee gum before this, even once. HE SAYS SO HIMSELF. he is clearly experimenting with it while he's fixing himself up, by his own words.
Do you not know what nature transformation is?
Hisoka transforms his nen INTO A SUBSTANCE WITH THE PROPERTIES OF RUBBER AND GUM
Are rubber and gum a mass of energy, you fucking dribbling retard? no. they have substance. they have the PROPERTIES of rubber and gum. he is not shaping them, he is just generating the aura then transforming it into that specific substance.
Killua is not transforming his nen into electricity-shaped sparks around his body. His body simply sparks with the electricity-based nen, because he has given his aura the nature of electricity
Do you people even know how nen works? jesus
>Are you this fucking dumb? I never said Hisoka is incapable of shape manipulation. I said he';s never actually used it with bungee gum before this, even once. HE SAYS SO HIMSELF. he is clearly experimenting with it while he's fixing himself up, by his own words.
Why would he need to use bungee gum separate from manipulating it's shape? To prove he can give it shape with bungee gum? We're you dropped on the head?
>Are rubber and gum a mass of energy, you fucking dribbling retard? no. they have substance. they have the PROPERTIES of rubber and gum. he is not shaping them, he is just generating the aura then transforming it into that specific substance.
He's giving his aura the properties he isn't creating actual rubber and gum you fucking moron.
>Which is not arguing my point at all..
Don't backtrack. You just tried to use Gon taking months to use Transmutation as a point towards the supposed difficulty of make shapes and figures out of aura to which the manga already made a fact of reality. What a natural born Enhancer can do =/= what natural born Transmuter in a given time frame. You lost this point, to argue further is disregarding the manga itself.
>Are rubber and gum a mass of energy, you fucking dribbling retard?
>Killua is not transforming his nen into electricity-shaped sparks around his body.
You just answered your own question, if he's giving his aura properties then unless he changes the shape too it will be a mass of aura around his body.
He literally has never used it in a way anything like this. the most he's ever done to manipulate it, is to simple contract it when he wants to pull on something. that's a far cry from shaping it into a solid, steady shape that he can use as fingers, a foot, etc.
Everything we've seen indicates his near death experience has enhanced his abilities so that he now has a greater degree of control over his ability.
Yes, that's the point. all he's doing is giving his nen these properties.
When the nen is given these properties, it takes on the exact form of a substance that has these properties: a mass of springy goop.
He has never actually shaped it, ever. it simply acts exactly how a real substance would. he attaches it to stuff, it sticks, it stretches, it contracts. all it does is act exactly how a lump of this substance would if it was real.
He is not shaping it, he is not controlling it's form.
I'm pretty fucking sure Bonolev is Hisoka in disguise.
>He literally has never used it in a way anything like this. the most he's ever done to manipulate it, is to simple contract it when he wants to pull on something. that's a far cry from shaping it into a solid, steady shape that he can use as fingers, a foot, etc.
He shapes nen all the time and you're arguing he can't shape it AND do bungee gum at the sametime?
Why can't he do the fortune telling anymore?
Here.
As always, common sense isn't so common.
>When the nen is given these properties, it takes on the exact form of a substance
This is a complete lie. Holy shit, I'm in tears.
how come hisoka didn't do it during the fight he had with kuroro?
Because Neon's dead, anonster
>how come hisoka didn't do it during the fight he had with kuroro?
Do you really want me to tell you something that was explicitly stated?
Because Gon is a good example of how you don't just randomly create new nen shapes on the fly like that.
Why does Machi ONLY make threads? surely if her control of shape manipulation is so advanced she can generate these super fine, strong threads out of pure aura, doing stuff like making other weapons, tools, limbs etc out of her aura should be dead easy, right?
It's the same reason why a materializer(without a specific ability to do it like Kultopi) doesn't just randomly make anything they want out of thin air, at any given time. you must train yourself to create SPECIFIC items, it';s not something you can just randomly do on the fly.
Transformation is the same. you train yourself to create SPECIFIC shapes with your nen. when you trigger you ability, you do the same thing every time.
Again, Razor is not suddenly gonna turn his Devils into giant dragons, Netero is not gonna randomly morph his Buddha into a giant mallet. Shape manipulation is not something you can just pull out of your ass like that.
Did this guy read some bizzaro spic translation of the manga and pass it off as fact?
That literally is how it works, though. When Killua gives his nen the nature of electricity, it sparks and crackles around him just as you'd expect electricity to. he's not intentionally trying to make it happen.
If you turn your nen into water, it's gonna flow. if you turn your nen into gum, it's gonna become a mass of gooey crap.
Thanks user, didn't want to go to the trouble. Speedreaders though.
They still should've worked together though. Splitting up just made it easier for Chrollo to kill them one by one.
>If you turn your nen into water, it's gonna flow. if you turn your nen into gum, it's gonna become a mass of gooey crap.
First, there's no such substance as Rubber and gum. Most, importantly how are threads of bungee gum gooey mass.
All he's doing there is creating a simple hollow shape out of pure aura
That is not even sort of the same thing as shaping an actual solid, transformed mass of nen into a specific, solid shape and manipulating that form with fine control
Again, by your logic, Machi should be able to instantly just turn her nen into basically anything. A sword, a shovel, a bucket, a bike.
Intelligent readers will feast on the succession war while brainlets will get their punchies with Hisoka killing the Ryodan.
Everyone should be satisfied.
his nen is given the traits of rubber and gum. it has the shapev and stickiness of gum, and the springyness/ability to expand and contract of rubber.
go read the chapter where he uses it to catch Razor's ball. it literally i s just a bigass wad of goo when he's not sticking it to stuff and stretching it out
Because Gon was still fucking learning how to use nen, oh my god. Changing aura into shapes is a basic transmuter exercise
Neon died, not sure how it happened, but I'm blaming plot reasons.
Hisoka killed Neon obviously as it was a far too powerful ability for chrollo to have.
Anyway its been so long i forgot what were the powers of the 2 troupes he killed? the young guy had that phone to control people, what about the hairy fella?
Read my previous posts to see why you're a retard.
Changing shape is a basis transmuter trait. what is NOT basic, is changing your nen into new shapes on the fly. nobody does it, LITERALLY no one.
Not even shaper specialists like Machi who create very difficult, fine shapes out of their aura. they make a SPECIFIC shape.
Creating something out of your aura is the basic trait of the conjurer class, yet how many conjurers do we see who just randomly snap their fingers and produce whatever random object they need, on the fly?
it takes training, visualization. you don't conjure random objects instantly, and you don't randomly reshape your nen instantly. you use a specific image you have previously practiced.
He's not manipulating it.
>All he's doing there is creating a simple hollow shape out of pure aura
So, what's stopping him from giving those simple shape properties of rubber and gum?
You said the shape is of the substance he makes. What shape is Bungee Gum in your retarded mind.
When Kortopi touches an object with his left hand, his Nen ability allows him to conjure an exact replica of that object with his right hand
Kortopi could make duplicates of objects, that would last for 24 hours, and allow him to track them through touching the original. He could copy anything, but copies of nen constructs wouldn't have any special abilities, and copies of living things would be replicated as corpses.
the same things stopping Machi from randomly forming her nen into whatever shape is most convineint for her current situation.
Yet, for some reason, she only ever makes thread. Razor only makes his devls. Netero only makes his Buddha.
Why didn't Genthru just form his aura into a bunch of hands, and have those hands grab people then transform into an explosion, instead of having to protect his own hands with Gyo?
BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
>Changing shape is a basis transmuter trait. what is NOT basic, is changing your nen into new shapes on the fly. nobody does it, LITERALLY no one.
Wrong AGAIN, you fucking mouthbreather. Stop reading the series, I mean it.
>Compares conjuring training to giving aura shape
Cool story, changing shapes is the most basic shit a nen user can do. It's so easy they make games of it.
Her nen ability is threads.
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>the same things stopping Machi from randomly forming her nen into whatever shape is most convineint for her current situation.
Shapeless aura is worthless without property. What makes Machi's threads dangerous isn't the shape but the property of being like a wire. The shape=/=property.
It's like talking to a wall, Hisoka didn't randomly make the property. The prosthetic is made of rubber, how is that new?
Did you somehow miss the part where he LITERALLY SAYS ON THAT PAGE, how it has no actual application?
He's not shaping aura in a usable form. it's just appearance.
Though even then, that's still a terrible example as THAT IS FUCKING GING. he's a mutant that can literally copy someone's nen ability just from having seen it one time.
nobody ever does this in any useful situation, ever. even though there were plenty of times it would have been REALLY useful if you could suddenly alter the shape of your nen beast, or your weapons/abilities
Again, notice Ging himself specifically pointing out that what he is showing here is a parlor trick, that has no actual practical affect on real abilities.
>He's not shaping aura in a usable form. it's just appearance.
So, what are you arguing? There's nothing special about making shapes with aura in the series, bisk does it with nen writing and random nen users can make shapes. So, why in your brainlet mind is making a limb shape impossible for Hisoka?
it's both. she's giving it the properties of a wire(hard, thin) and shaping it into a fine thread.
So Hisoka just shaped his hand because that's how rubber and gum works. He didn't need skill or more powerful nen to do it since shaping aura doesn't affect abilities.
>Did you somehow miss the part where he LITERALLY SAYS ON THAT PAGE, how it has no actual application?
NOPE.
>nobody does it, LITERALLY no one.
This is what you just said, verbatim. This is all i care about. And I proved you wrong and now your moving the goal post. On that same page, it's shown that Usamen can do the same thing even if it's at a lesser extent. You've lost the argument once again, clear as anyone can see. Stop reading the series, you're way too dumb to follow it.
So, properties and shaping are two different skills. So, Hisoka did both he shaped a leg, something which is easy and gave it the properties something he can already do. There's nothing new about that.
You still can't seem to separate the difference between making little shapes out of pure, unformed aura, and directly shaping transformed aura.
Does Bisky make blades out of her aura? does she make spikes on her knuckles when punching?
does ANYONE ever do that, despite how incredibly useful that would be in a fight? no. they don't. not even the people who show off these little tricks.
shaping transformed nen, is not the same as simply forming your pure aura into little symbols. when Razor makes his devils, he is shaping his transformed nen(made to mimick cloth, flesh etc of a living being) into the devils.
When Gon uses scissors, he is not just forming his loose aura into a roughly blade looking shape. he is shaping his TRANSFORMED aura, that has taken on the properties of a blade, into that specific shape.
manipulating the shape of transformed nen is an entirely different beast. Again, why did Genthru not simply create extended hands made of aura to use his ability, rather than using his own hands that he had to protect with gyo?
shaping natured nen is entirely different. when people transform their nen, it is either totally unshaped(Hisoka, Killua, Genthru, etc), or it takes on a SPECIFIC shape, along with a specific type of nature manipulation(Netero, Razor, Machi, Gormaru, etc)
it acts very close to a materialization ability.
>a fierce science debate about the properties of gum and rubber
Well, I'll be.
>Does Bisky make blades out of her aura?
A blade has sharpness, if bisk made a blade shape aura it wouldn't be able to cut unless she imbues it with the properties of a blade. The shape alone is not enough. She can, however, make her aura look like a blade and a shovel and an arm. It's the properties that are missing that make the difference. There's nothing stopping Hisoka from make his aura look like a hand.
O MY AUTISTIC NEN
>Again, why did Genthru not simply create extended hands made of aura to use his ability, rather than using his own hands that he had to protect with gyo?
Hisoka made a prosthetic not an actual leg made of nen. Is that what your dumbass thought?
Except his aura doesn't "look" like a hand. it IS one. he is transforming it into a substantial material using his nature transformation.
Bisky's number shapes, hisoka's skulls, etc, are just loose aura. a person could wave their hand right through it.
Hisoka's current hand and foot, are solid. he can grab you with them, they can hold up his body. manipulating that is a different story.
Why does Netero only shape his nen into a Buddha with a specific number of hands? wouldn't it have been REALLY helpful in his battle against the king, if the bhudda could suddenly sprout new hands, or change it's shape to throw him off?
he didn't, because he couldn't. It takes visualization, training and time to actually create a shape out of your nen, when your nen is transformed into an actual substantial material.
>Except his aura doesn't "look" like a hand. it IS one. he is transforming it into a substantial material using his nature transformation.
It's a prosthetic made of rubber. He didn't even lose his hands, he lost the tips of his fingers. Please stop reading this series.
>Except his aura doesn't "look" like a hand. it IS one
Wrong.
I figured as much, this retard thought Hisoka made a hand out of nen.
final form
he is shaping his bungee gum into a specific, solid shape, and holding it that way. it has never acted like this before.
his bungee gum is a goop. it stretches, it expands. his prosthetic legs remain in a single static form without changing.
seeing the way Bungee gum works, the way it stretches out, the way it moves around like a wad of goo(notice the way he uses it to smother objects like Razor's ball)
if you take a mass of this material, did your best to sculpt it into a foot, then stuck it on somebody, would it hold the shape of that foot to the point they could walk on it with no problem? of course not.
he is consistently, constantly controlling it's shape in a very specific way. if he wasn't it'd just smoosh into a pile of goop as soon as he put his weight down on that foot.
>his bungee gum is a goop
No, it's not. You're either retarded or delusional or both. His bungee gum has never been goop. It has both rubber and gum like properties. He made fingers made a rubber, there's nothing amazing about this other than you being stupid.
>Thread 1. ruined by shippers
>Thread 2. ruined by nen debates
Which one do I go to, I need to know?
Read my post after this, dipshit.
I'm aware it's not a flesh and blood hand. I'm saying it's an actual solid object, it's not just a little shape made of pure nen like Bisky's numbers.
It has mass. it can interact with the environment. you cannot grab something with pure nen, unless you transform it's nature to give it the properties of something with mass(in this case, the gum/.rubber combo)
Yet, despite being made of this goopy substance, it stays in this finely sculpted state even when he's using it. his foot doesn't smoosh into a pile of goo when he puts his body weight on it. his fingers stay solid and grip items.
>his prosthetic legs remain in a single static form without changing.
Right:At least read the series user.
>It has mass. it can interact with the environment.
Because it's made of rubber. Like a prosthetic.
>>Let's split up, Gang!
>tfw read that in Fred's voice
Hisoka won't kill the whole spider. Any chance of that ever happening ended with Illumi joining the spider. At most he'll kill half.
Calling it right now that it was Kurapika and not Hisoka that killed Neon.
Hisoka doesn't even know who she is nor would he have time to find her in the time he went from heavens arena to the boat.