OP is a massive brainlet so can someone redpill me on the distinctive differences between Ryougi Shiki and SHIKI...

OP is a massive brainlet so can someone redpill me on the distinctive differences between Ryougi Shiki and SHIKI? Who is the one in control? Are they both murderers? Im on the 4th movie and im still kind of hazy on it all.

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>brainlet
>redpill
No, fuck off and lurk more.

Just finish the movies, dude.

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There's no SHIKI.

Though, let me try. Going off the same knowledge you have, SHIKI is essentially the part of Ryougi that wants to act out, violently or socially, and expose herself to others. Internally, Shiki rejects and attempts to stifle this personality, and (in keeping with the logic expressed in the second movie) SHIKI turns this "violence" that he -- being a masculine personality -- experiences out on the world. So they're both killers in the sense that Shiki kills SHIKI and SHIKI kills people; this is what Kokuto explains at the end of the second film.

There is no SHIKI after the fourth film. That's just Ryougi Shiki waking up and trying to become a new person after SHIKI leaves.

I'm where you are, so I'm just trying to be satisfied with my own understanding of the series.

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You're pretty close, clarified a bit more in the 6th book but not movie and 7th movie.

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They aren't two discrete personalities, they're still kinda the same person. The SHIKI/Shiki split is actually not as important as her internal struggle between wanting to live a wholesome life and her murderous impulses. The split thing just muddies the water.

That reminds me, something I wasn't clear on (movie 7 spoilers): Did SHIKI ever actually kill anyone? The last movie, IIRC, seemed to me to imply that ALL the murders were done by the stalker guy, and the fact that SHIKI was feeling murderous at the same time was just a coincidence.

Also this is one of the worst things about english translations, names and meanings get lost. Shiki/SHIKI, the root/origin, it sounds so stupid in english.

>redpill
It's literally explained in detail in the last movie. You're completely missing the point by posting here with dumb shit mid-way through the movies rather than watching and figuring it out yourself.

>redpill
>brainlet
>it's a TM thread
Nothing wrong here.

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It's kinda unclear/up for discussion,
personally I always read it as not being the murderer but a bystander/voyeur, the perfect example being the first with the truck where she just finds the corpse and plays with it.

First, finish all movies, it gets explained in a very in-depth way in a few movies.
Stilll, SHIKI is a second person(not personality) inside Shiki. It's a Male person, and Shiki wants Kokuto to like SHIKI because they're close and kinda the same. You can get who's who by some talking mannerisms, but seriously, watch all movies.
>French Shiki
my sides dude, my sides.

Weaver probably never killed anyone. He was struggling to contain his homicidal impulses, and that would have been meaningless if he actually went out and did it. The reason Equation tried to kill Cocteau is because his presence threatened her fragile stability. That sense of normalcy is what they desired most, but they believed they couldn't have it. When Equation tried to kill Cocteau and failed to go through with it, she decided that if he won't disappear then she should. Weaver took advantage of this by using the attempted suicide to kill himself off while leaving Equation alive instead. As Weaver is basically the root of Equation's homicidal impulses, being basically all of their rebellious impulses rolled up into one, he figured this should lessen the burden on her and allow her to live on with Cocteau.

Unfortunately, the two year coma as well as Weaver's death ended up causing other issues for Equation. With Weaver gone, Equation was left with a sense of emptiness within her, and her ability to feel her surroundings was off-kilter. She also lost the ability to connect with her own memories. She basically became half a person. This is likely because Equation isn't actually Equation; when Weaver died, Equation wasn't left unchanged either. You can't kill half your personality and expect to stay the same person you used to be. Red claims that the current Shiki is closer to an all new personality, with Equation as the base while assimilating the vestiges of Weaver. While it's true that Shiki adopts Weaver's style of speech in order to make up for the feeling of emptiness within her, it's not as if she totally adopts his personality and mannerisms. The current Shiki acts nothing like either Weaver or Equation, yet also acts like both of them. She's introverted like Equation, but she's also friendly towards people she likes like Weaver. She's more free to express her emotions than before.

The reason for the current Shiki's homicidal impulses isn't necessarily because she wants to kill people, but because for a while, fights to the death were the only things that made her feel alive. She felt most strongly in that state. But she didn't want to kill purely for the sake of killing; this is why she completely lost interest Asagami. She's only interested in having a fight to the death with someone who's capable of killing her. Araya is a different case. She laments that under normal circumstances, he'd be the most enjoyable opponent for her. Unfortunately, she finds his existence to be so disagreeable that even when they fight, she feels no joy from it. Her fight against Araya is purely to eliminate what she perceives as a natural enemy.

Eventually, she realizes, albeit too late, that killing doesn't really offer her any real joy. A fight to the death may be thrilling, but it won't fill up her sense of emptiness. In the end, the only thing she really wanted was Cocteau. As long as he's by her side, she's able to feel some sense of fulfillment.

SHIKI wasn't actually a killer. They were just fixated with death, which is what drove them to seek out Lio's fresh kills through the 2nd movie.
That's the "Shiki" who Lio knew and who he thought was like himself. If left as things were, they probably would have given into their impulse and crossed that line at some point, but the events of the second movie and Kokutou's interference happened before that point.

The 7th story goes through hoops to claim that Shiki ultimately never killed another human since her only actual 'kill' through the series is Araya, who "doesn't count" because he strayed too far from being human.

>Mikiya Kokutou
>It Sounds like a french poet's name
She is retarded?

Worth noting that the real reason post-coma Shiki was thrilled by the prospect of a fight to the death was because she was borderline suicidal and wanted to die. Dying in a fight to the death was just the most agreeable way to expire to her. That's a big part of what shaped her feelings against both Fujino and Araya. Fujino lost the will to fight, and so was no longer the person who would deliver Shiki the death she sought. Araya was the type of foe Shiki couldn't accept losing to, so even though he was certainly willing and able, she felt compelled to eschew the oppourtunity to die against him.

Shiki's motivation through the whole series is a an obsessive impulse of self-destruction, which is why the first book, the one that frames the reader's initiation to the series, is subtitled "Thanatos" after Freud.

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Araya doesn't count in the same way Nrvnqsr doesn't count. They both used to be human, but they've since abandoned that humanity, both mentally and physically.

Nasu's concept of "killing is bad" is primarily from a species-oriented standpoint. It's the greatest sin possible for someone to kill another of the same species, at least for certain characters. Naturally, not everyone holds to this mindset, least of all in Nasu's works.

"Kokutou" and "Cocteau" are pronounced exactly the same way to a native Japanese speaker.

>her only actual 'kill' through the series is Araya
What about that "God's word" guy? Did he live?

She never even touched him. He was too powerful for her. Maybe " " could have beaten him, but she probably saw no reason to.

He still died, though.

was killed by another character after meeting with Shiki.
I thought I remembered her wounding him, but could be wrong.

Good thread unironically.

In the 6th novel he gets killed by one of his students at the end. The 6th movie completely butchered that story and Satsuki's whole plot, what a mess.

This seems like an explanation worthy of shaping my experience with the movies

thanks