Merely. Holding. Back
Dragon Ball Super
Grayson King
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Benjamin Myers
Witness Vegeta's SSJ3. The legendary jobber form.
William Price
Hmf, of course. You can't beat absolute strength. even with your cheap powerups
Easton Morris
And I thought Toguro was an asshole when it came to holding back his power. Jiren held back his power for EIGHT FUCKING EPISODES of fighting so far. Damn!
Cameron Clark
He's going to hold back until he accidentally walks off the side of the arena.
Dominic Edwards
Asher Sanders
Just looking at him screams chad.
Owen Roberts
why do they keep delaying episodes
Justin Martin
Sport events.
Their viewership surpasses any anime's, so FujiTV replaces it.
James Nguyen
Merely. Pretending.
Levi Long
i just binged through all of ToP did we ever find out what the deal with pic related was? it looks like zamasu but i dont think anything came of it
Camden Hernandez
It seems like Toei tried to associate the red color with the heat that UI creates.
Pic related also has a red aura.
Ayden Perry
There is no greater Chad. Needs to be cheap shotted to lose.
Samuel Green
Is chichi a cuck?
Jose Taylor
>implying Chadren will lose
He'll revive u7 out of pity for embarrassing them
Jordan Thompson
You think Goku wants to fuck anyone? Unbelievable.
Brody Jenkins
Superior couple. Chad and Stacy.
William Cox
Reminder manga is not canon, it follows a story different from that of Toriyama’s so it is nothing more then fanfiction
Joshua Taylor
damn jiren's ASS
Daniel Sanchez
Keep telling yourself that, pal
Lincoln Flores
Don't talk to me or my wife ever again.
Gavin Brooks
It was just their initial idea for UI's aura. They actually reuse some shots of the opening but recolored white/blue when Goku went UI Omen in the special and Whis was explaining how it happened.
Easton Nguyen
Yeah, that image though
Tyler Williams
Wait, I've got it! I'll just combine the power of a Super Sayian with the power of the Kaioken!
I'm a genius!
Jackson Phillips
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Ryan Cruz
OH GOD THIS HURTS SO MUCH BUT IT'S SO FUCKING WORTH IT AAAAAAAA
Alexander Flores
wait a minute this isn't /dbg/
Julian Green
What do you think they're going to do with the next series?
My prediction
The Saiyans learn that they can use other kinds of god energy with Super Saiyan, and that the blue form is just using super saiyan energy with a generic god energy from red form. They go in different directions like we've started seeing in TOP and it expands more on the god hierarchy.
Goku: Trains under Whis(like he was right before ToP), learns angel energy and UI which only angels can use for a white super saiyan, hence his white hair and ultra instinct that even Gods of Destruction couldn't learn.
Vegeta: Super Saiyan god of Destruction, he's always had the most destructive techniques of the saiyans and pushed himself hardest like the God of Destructions, and he has the most powerful non UI form currently. Can use his Blue 2 form except with GoD energy instead to make a purple super saiyan. He has the personality closest to a GoD. He also said "Screw Kakorott's UI I'll find my own way"
Gohan: They expand on his pre-TOP statement of getting a form no one else has. Super Saiyan God of Creation. Learns from the Kais since he got his powerup from the Elder Kai, learns something similar to Super Saiyan Rose (a kai in training using a Saiyan body). Fits his personality because his first trainer could create clothes and shit, and he has the personality closest to a kai/is the most intelligent.
I say this because there's 3 adult Saiyans, and in the hierarchy there's always pairs of 3 (one angel, one god of destruction, one god of creation). Even with Zeno, the god who created Super Shenron, and the grand priest, we can assume they're a trio. We're starting to learn Zeno isn't actually a great fighter but has absolute destruction energy, similar to how Beerus is compared to Whis, so I assume Zeno is just the greatest god of destruction and his pair is the guy who created the angel.
Theories?
Benjamin Stewart
FRIEZA 'S WISH WILL BE THAT GOKU NEVER EXISTED WHICH WILL RESET THE WHOLE DBVERSE AND WE WILL WITNESS EVERYTHING FROM THE SAYIAN ORIGIN UNFOLD DIFFERENTLY.
Noah Sanchez
You guys need to move on and start watching new anime and reading new manga .
Xavier Miller
Fuck off faggot.
Tyler Green
Why is he such a shit protagonist?
Hunter Green
nah fuck horror, i'm a little bitch
Michael Rogers
El Hermano
Austin Anderson
At least Toguro had some level of reason for it.
Jiren has no fucking excuse from going 100% as soon as shit started flying south for his team.
Jaxson Richardson
>gets his strongest powerup that GoDs haven't obtained in a million years.
>Jiren was still holding back and defeats him with a ki blast.
Poor little Goku!
Benjamin Martinez
Fuck Jiren, always inferior compare to El Hermano.
Justin Flores
Cell arc happened.
Jason Hernandez
>Toguro
>wanted to train Yusuke to get a good fight and end his own life
>wanted to be some kind of father figure to a fatherless boy after his tragic backstory of losing everyone he was supposed to be responsible for and becoming a demon
>Jiren
>do fuck all for tons of episodes
>oh it was because he wanted his team mates to lose so he could get the wish lol
>still hold back well after he's the only one until Goku finally masters UI
>all this with his entire universe at stake
Fuck Jiren and Super desu
Anthony Collins
The manga is gonna be strange since Jiren even starts off attacking. Unless he's weaker in the manga he could still end the tournament within a few minutes of staring at people.
Julian Ward
But can he beat EL GRANDE PADRE????
Andrew Wright
Christopher Cruz
Yes but the difference is toguro wanted someone who could make him draw out his full power whereas jiren is fighting cause muh justice and muh generic backstory.
Jayden Gomez
I was really hoping they'd use this
>Dragon ball heavily relies on Oni trope
>Goku has always been red, Vegeta blue since the first fight with Kaioken
>Goku finally returns to red and Vegeta blue, they fuck it up by giving Goku blue too and phasing out the red form
>they give Goku Kaioken blue and Vegeta Blue 2 making them diverse again
>finally have the chance to give Goku blue and red mastery before giving him white mastery (see red and blue oni serving the god level white oni, which originally happened with Super Saiyan)
>phase it out and go straight to white
fuck em
Benjamin Baker
Frieza will revive his all clan since the Yamoshi days...and him too
William Gutierrez
They can just throw some random at Jiren and keep them clashing for a while off screen. No one has established power levels, so they can be as strong as the plot needs them to be.
Nathaniel Turner
>we'll never get a well written character in super
Man fuck this show, why can't it be good?
Henry Ramirez
>"Jiren..you're still weak..you've always been far to weak.."
Carter Lee
>Jiren vs. Jiren
Stalemate?
Jaxson Martin
Frieza will wish to be a God of Destruction and be the final boss of Super
Jonathan Torres
It's not even that. Super has give zero reasons for why Jiren isn't just tossing people off the ring left and right. At least the manga gives a little panel and makes him say that he isn't ok with killing other universes to save his. The anime couldn't even do that much
Christopher Young
That's Jiren vs El Hermano but jiren vs jiren would result in whoever stops holding back first winning.
Chase Peterson
MUI is just impossible to reach without high level of stress.
Also Demon Worlds
Hudson Hughes
Better than fighting for the sake of fighting/being the strongest because of muh pride/arrogance
Brandon Robinson
I hope once this arc is over toei will forget about him and we'll never see him again. He has to be the most boring character I've ever seen.
Grayson Turner
>they both stop holding back at the same time
Christopher White
Ian Sanchez
I feel toyo saw a bit of how anime jiren was an improved on that cause toriyama was the one that wanted stoic uchiha Jiren and anime staff just turned him into a asshole.
Asher Nguyen
But that's basically what he started doing once the pride jobbers started losing.
Julian Mitchell
They wouldn't call it Mastered Ultra Instinct if he hadn't mastered it to the point of being able to use it.
Otherwise it'd just be ultra instinct
Dominic Sanders
Look at the OFFICIAL power rankings fags.
Grayson Thomas
The manga and anime go hand in hand, you really want both to go into such detail about each character right off the bat?
Christian Morgan
>The fight consist of two jiren floating in the air glaring at eachother as stuff explode around them.
Owen Martinez
>don't talk to me or my rule 63 alternate universe self ever again
Joshua Bell
Is goku really mastering it? I doubt. We can only say it when he'll be able to transform in that form at will, without stress
Alexander Bell
These little bastards have snuffed out countless trillions of lives and yet I can't hate them.
Cooper Walker
way too cool for anime standards
Thomas Wilson
>No Gohan Blanco Calvo
>No El Tio
Brandon Adams
That's what I was referring to in my post. He's gonna learn to use it.
I'm going to go ahead and assume they're going to start taking the Saiyans in different directions, judging by Vegeta's "Screw Kakarot's ultra instinct" comment and Gohan's "I'll get my own form no one else has ever achieved" comment.
Logan Sanders
This shit basically happened between Jiren and Goku on a smaller scale already.
Lincoln Richardson
I bet Vegeta is actually the descendent of Yamoshi and something cool will happen to him
Ian Edwards
What if his real power is just teleporting shit away and he's just been warping universes around without actually destroying them
Notice how the animation when he erases something is the same as the animation for it being teleported away?
Meanwhile Beerus erases something and it fucking melts and explodes
Sebastian Moore
The Zenos are literally the target audience for the ToP.
Wyatt Hughes
>I'm not the same weak little boy anymore,brother! I have trained my body as well as my mind. ALL FOR THIS ONE MOMENT!!!
Jaxon Sanders
I want the world of Void to crumble
Angel Cooper
Highly doubt that.
Blake Martin
I'm not asking for exposition dumps. Just basic info
Kevin Campbell
Well Akira Toriyama did state that we'd get more backstory on the Saiyans and Frieza soon wrote personally by him with the movies and manga
Hopefully we don't get the "Bardock was the first Super Saiyan" bull shit as canon.
Oliver Turner
Hopefully
Logan Johnson
Theoretically you could stop by East District (regularly) and fuck Chi Chi silly without ever encountering Goku, so uh...
Leo Price
I mean think about it.
Do you really think they're going to kill all those universes off when they can't even kill off Frieza?
Nah, they're too obsessed with merchandising. I guarantee you at the end of the tournament it's gonna be "oh we just teleported all of them into the winner's universe they're still all alive"
Cameron Jenkins
...
Nathan Fisher
I know... the cringe....
Benjamin Jenkins
Cabba Hit Magetta and Winnie can live on, the femsaiyans have to go
Josiah Campbell
>Reanimatedgirl87
>A 30 year old person drew that
>That was the best they could do
Kind of sad.
Brandon Evans
You forget how autistic gooks are.
MUH SAIYAN PUSSY
Michael Richardson
>yet another thread that presents an opportunity to love and post Caulifla
Feels good man
Luis Rodriguez
The name of the form is actually just "Ultra Instinct". They're only calling it mastered sometimes to differentiate from Omen, but it doesn't mean Goku has "mastered" it just that he can use the actual UI now, not just a part.
Josiah Howard
FUCK YOU
Grayson Williams
I fail to see the issue with saiyan pussy and I doubt I ever will.
Mason Perez
Kale is cute but cauliflower is ugly.
Brody Turner
>Kale is cute
>Cauliflower is ugly
Shit taste user.
Brandon Parker
Jonathan Edwards
That's too complex for toei desu, besides what the fuck are they going to use the super dragon balls for?
Camden Sanders
I like Kale, but the whole "Controlled" LSS thing isnt something I can agree with. It just became another SS recolor when at least LSS had some appeal with its unrestrained brutality.
Carson Ross
Instead of all this "merely holding back" that Jiren likes to do, seems like it'd be nicer if Jiren just breaks his own limit too after Goku masters UI.
Sebastian Gomez
I see you're a man of culture also
Lincoln Johnson
They are both cute.
Christian Thompson
...
Lucas Clark
>Gets a new legendary OP form
>it’s incomplete
>Still manages to defeat or corner some of the strongest foes thus far
>Completes the form
>Jobs to someone who was already clearly weaker than the new form
Hmm this sounds a lot like..