Would an anime like Lain be popular if it aired in the present age?
80%+ of the last decade was moeshit and most of the other series or movies spoonfeed you an often shallow message with unrelatable one dimensional characters.
I feel like thought provoking complex stories that require the full attention of the viewer would get labeled as not entertaining by today's standards.
>thought provoking complex stories that require the full attention of the viewer
But Lain was beyond that... nobody seemed to understand it
>Would an anime like Lain be popular if it aired in the present age?
Of course no
Was it popular in the past age?
But it really isn't entertaining as Lain is not supposed to be mere entertainment as most "anime"
Trigun, Initial D came out the same year
>But Lain was beyond that... nobody seemed to understand it
Are you 12?
this is the Sup Forums equivalent of an underage reading Crime & Punishment and then complaining that nobody is writing philosophical literature and taking random shots at 50Shades or Harry Potter
Nobody knows shit about Lain
CB came out as well
Lain was quite popular with the critics who praised it for being avant-garde.
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Yes if lain was cuter
Also, I would call them nostalgiafags but these type of posters are most likely teenagers. fauux-nostalgiafags?
Lain had a pretty "cute" design for its time
It's made worse by the fact that the western perception of anime and manga is completely at the whim of translators who in turn have shit tastes.
Most of Sup Forums probably doesn't believe anime could be anything more than so called "harry potter" tier stuff.
Lain having gotten popular in the era it did says just about nothing about that era. It and other shows by the exact same clique of creators are pretty much the only ones of their kind. 95% of everything airing in any time will be undoubtedly shit. I think Lain would get a cult following just like it did when it aired.
All the theories on the web are in contrast with each other
I'm pretty sure the christian symbolism isn't the point
Also, this is not anime about the internet and what it has became.
Collective Unconscious and theory of perceptions play a big role, but no one seems to have grasped the real essence yet
Anyway, nobody cares nowaday
>Nobody cares
/r9k/ made a Lain suicide cult at some point. If you just keep showing people Lain, Lain will continue to exist.
>80%+ of the last decade was moeshit
This is my favorite meme.
So, in 1998 internet was already something,eh....at least there were forums online.
But the point of the show is that the IPv7 connected the wired to the Earth Mind
It's how the internet has affected the global flow of human thought.
It's an exaggeration of just a whole lot of shit. I think people just want anime that really activates their almonds.
Accella was an accelerator of human thoughts
Althought, Lain's friends saw the Wired Lain at Cyberia even without it
Harry Potter is Ayn Rand for socialists
Maybe, if:
1. They get the right theme, internet is already a thing but not as widespread when Lain aired
2. Make it plebfilter/avant garmeme if they something to reach fame mainly among critics instead of general audience/commercial success
3. Or make it very similar with cuter characters, but throw in lots of symbolic visual and eerie soundtrack for deepfag bait.
But really, when there's nothing new under the sun, how could you make experimental work?
That had something to do with the "real life hacking" music the Knights made, the guy was freaking out because he had basically Akira'd his mind.
>with unrelatable one dimensional characters.
So just like Lain? literally all the "characters" in the show were just there as an excuse to explore certain themes
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You mean this? So that wasnt the Wired Lain, but the evil one!
Yeah I suppose it was the Evil Lain whho told the guy the kill those people on episode 2. Is it thanks to the Cyberia music that Lain of the Wired and Human Lain came in contact?
>thought provoking complex stories that require the full attention of the viewer would get labeled as not entertaining
Girls Last Tour aired last season and Sup Forums loved it. It was deep without being pretentious despite it being “moeshit”.
>/r9k/ made a Lain suicide cult
>nah come on what are you
>Lain suicide cult?
>wait was that...
>oh fuck
>mfw I was part of an /r9k/ spawned Lain suicide cult
to my defense, it was fun while it lasted
I think it's more like the guy had discovered the inter-connectivness of human thought and freaked the fuck out trying to retain his identity. When Lain approached him, her wired personality came out and told him that no matter where he goes he's still connected, prompting him to kill himself.
The Knights distributed the drug, it was just another puzzle piece into influencing Lain.
tfw you quit watching anime in 2005/2006
There are people who know what Lain is about. There have been threads spammed about it for the last couple weeks that prove it, yet the same people drop in to say that they don't get the same specific parts and everything gets so blurred by false interpretations that it becomes more confusing than it actually is. It's been twenty years and people still think it's about the internet, yet people who have been posting here recently have finally started to get some of the real points into circulation.
Play the game
It's back, dude.
Although the months-long stay on discord turned the main community into complete meme-spouting teenager cancer.
>Play the game
Seems edgy as fuck
They were already like that considering where they came from. You also couldn't post about anything without people screaming at you that you were a newfag coming from YouTube creepypasta channels. I abandoned that shit after a few days when it became evident that the catalog would remain filled with paranoid whining.
>it was just another puzzle piece into influencing Lain
what was their plan?
Also, is Lain a creation of Eiri? If so, she embodies the protocol 7, so Eiri's memories are inside her.
Wired is changing reality because is in the real world
But which sub is the best?
>x is y for z
Shittiest meme I've ever seen
>It's been twenty years and people still think it's about the internet
That is because there isn't a single review/vblog/analysis/explanation on the internet that exaplains it clearly.
I'm 20 and didn't get anything real until a second watch while actively trying to learn through others analyzing it. Nobody watches that show once (like most people would) and walks away with a full understanding.
That's because you're a phoneposter, and phoneposters are dumb
There isn't "full understanding" anyway, it's just an experimental show playing around and exploring some themes.
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Because nobody outside of here has actually paid attention to the interview where Ueda says it wasn't a reaction or a prediction about the internet. Outside of that, you really don't need a guide. You just need to take time and put together everything into something that makes sense and goes along perfectly with the plot you know. All the information is there and you don't need tech trivia to get it, it just takes effort because it's not written traditionally. If you get distracted by the wired, that's too bad, and it's a fault of the writing being affected by the future that other people would be coming into it from.
this is exactly the reason why people give up trying to understand it
this is the reason why nobody takes lainfags seriously.
Serial Experiments Lain literally predicted the modern world.
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>Because nobody outside of here has actually paid attention to the interview where Ueda says it wasn't a reaction or a prediction about the internet.
Can we write a "true" explanation of Lain somewhere, for the future well- being?
No, it didn't predicted the internet...
Why? Because someone who gave up forms a copout and says there's no truth? If you're just getting frustrated at all these threads where people are throwing everything around, the best thing to do will always be to take time to gather resources and figure it out for yourself. There are too many interpretations that just confuse everything more, and relying on that is just going to take you on an endless trip back and forth between other people's explanations. Know the basic plot, gather interviews, read the game translation and translations for what parts of artbooks are available, and rewatch the anime to explain every detail and every quote based on the definite truths of the plot. You're not going to get what people are talking about anyway unless you know the ins and outs of the scenes and dialogue because the evidence is too specific. The basic plot and themes are obvious. All you really need to work at is to explain the details of what's going on.
The difference is that there is still a large and active community of people writing "high" literature (I think the distinction between high and low art is stupid anyway, but whatever, let's run with it). I don't think there have been too many TV anime since Lain that have tried to replicate its complexity and abstract qualities. At the very least, it's not a regular ongoing occurrence. Unless there's an underground animation scene in Japan that does projects like that and I'm just not aware of it.
>Would an anime like Lain be popular if it aired in the present age?
It would be shat on as being obnoxiously obscure and lacking in modern anime conventions that would drive an anime committee board insane with worry. It's an anime that really only could have been produced in the early post-Eva era where anime briefly went experimental in the TV format.
True enlightenment is realizing it’s a waste of your time to try to understand Lain, no explanation could be worth the effort it takes to figure this shit out.
>All you really need to work at is to explain the details of what's going on.
I am mad nobody did it.
I want to be spoon fed
The internet wasn't mainstream in 1998,but now it is,and internet culture influences the real world
Chiaki J. Konaka would be very interesting to have a conversation with
Untrue. It's a pretty emotional experience looking through Lain's heart and going through the effort to end up looking back at yourself and every other person on Earth.
@yamaki_nyx
ask him something
he is all about Digimon now, but sometimes he answers
>looking back at yourself and every other person on Earth.
Hard to do that when you are basement fatass theorizing about chinese cartoons all day.
People have done a lot of it in all these threads that one or two people keep making. It's just so buried and nobody trusts anything and all that results is like the same three people asking more questions about the same things and posting out of context paragraphs from other sources.
mousou0322.wixsite.com
meetup at Cyberia when?
Maybe, but how many other emotional experiences could I have if I devoted the same amount of time and effort into other stories?
dont do drugs there
7/7/18
Very likely not many to the same genuine degree. If nothing else, read Lain's Diary and Counseling sessions from the game.
that's why there should be a link to a pastebin with all the true analysis
He thinks he's cool because he's currently using a pc...
I might have misspoke with "full" but the point still stands that a first viewing left me very confused and understanding not much of anything I just watched.
Lain is not complex or thought provoking, you stupid shit. It's messy garbage.
Watch something actually valuable and relevant, like Eureka Seven. Shove the pretentious garbage up your arse. aBe has a two good series, and two grimdark shitdicks for pretentious children.
Not an argument, and ABe didn't create Lain.
He did design, and as far as I can recall had some part in creative direction. It's a series based on visuals anyway, you dumbnut.
nope, he made the original concept for HR
He did character design. Whether he had any other input is a maybe. Ueda was the concept creator and Konaka was the writer. A story is not based on visuals alone. Conceptual and thematic content are important to a narrative and are arguably more important to something like Lain that has to do with certain ideas that need to be conveyed through language. The game is an example of this. If you have any actual arguments for why Lain is messy garbage or pretentious, surely you wouldn't have a problem elaborating.
Yes, the concept for HR, and had part in creative direction of the other series.
Part, that does not mean he hand-writ every frame and the entire script, wrote and played the entire score himself, and did every voice. That means he had some part in direction.
So autistic.
A series isn't a story you absolute idiot. We're done. You're irredeemable.
Not really.
Nakamura + Ueda + Chiaki made the story
HR is shit because it isnt involved Chiaki
Nobody is saying it isn't messy, I think the garbage part is the point of issue and that gets a lot more subjective. No doubt lain isn't for everyone, but OP's question was would it fair as well if it released today.
>Is Lain a creation of Eiri.
Lain Iwakura is a creation of Eiri, Lain as a being has existed since before the wired
>She embodies protocol 7
Protocol 7 is like a skin placed over her, she embodies the sphere of human thought.
>Eiris memories are inside of her.
Yes.
>What was their plan?
They're hackers, if reality is restructured like the wired, they are gods right?
>Wired changes reality.
The wired changes reality because Lain is slipping into the wired as a structure of reality. If Lain can no longer discern the difference between what goes on in reality and what goes on inside a series of interconnected navis then there isn't a difference.
Hacking a computer or hacking it's user becomes indistinguishable, keylogging a persons personal data or keylogging a persons physical pen and paper diary becomes indistinguishable.
What a surprise, you have no argument. A narrative is a story because it contains a plot and has something it is trying to convey. Lain is a narrative that has a plot and has something it is trying to convey. It is not an abstract painting. It also takes place through a medium with voice acting and a script, and thus is inherently not a purely visual medium nor is it purely based on visuals. The official game is based on voices and words more so than visuals as well, and its content is very heavy and emotional even without visuals.
The wired also changes reality because it is inherently connected to the all natural collective consciousness network, which Lain is in part a fragment of.
Maybe, Internet was still fascinated about the future of the internet. Black Mirror kinda does that now.
So...The Schumann Resonance was the noosphere? Eiri gave to the Wired Lain (which was on the Resonance) a body and then connected the Wired to the Resonance? I am so confused
Lain already aired in the present day and present time.
After season 4 being almost exclusively about the cookies Black Mirror is losing its touch
HR is shit but definitely a bit overrated around here.
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isn't*
Yes and no. Just connected the wired to the schuman's resonance wouldn't alter the physics of the world. If it did, Lain would have been unnecessary. All it was supposed to have done is allow a psychic linking to the Wired architecture.
The actual changing in the laws of physics was based on Lain. What Eiri achieved with protocol 7 was the ability to insert a false identity into the collective psyche of the world to create an avatar of it. This avatar would serve as a master control of human perception, what it believed everybody would unconsciously believe.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound? If all possible observers have been forced to perceive things a certain way, then reality would become that perception, at least to them.
This is why the wired is so important as a plot device. The internet is one of those things that has rapidly changed the system of human social interaction. To a being like Lain, it would be among the only things capable of absorbing her enough to change the architecture of the universe, outside of Lain taking LSD or something.
Whether or not Lain was an emergent being on the Wired is anyone's guess, what matters is Eiri gave her an artificial identity.
Lain having a body was merely a circumstance of the program Eiri placed in the inner most kernel of protocol 7. She probably just poofed into existence though one user keeps claiming the corporation bio-engineered her physical form.
i fixed it for you
>She probably just poofed into existence though one user keeps claiming the corporation bio-engineered her physical form.
>animuislaifu.com
Once again, there is no evidence that Tachibana had a hand in creating anything.
It's true that only Eiri claimed he had created the body
>moeshit
>double spacing
Sup Forums is two blocks down buddy.
No just wait
Wired does not change anything. You need to understand that resounance is more important than the Wired. Wired in and of itself can barely interact with the resonance. This is why Lain of the Wired was useless after being made. She can't fulfill her purpose. That's why they made the far superior physical version, who by the nature of being human, directly interacts with the resonance.
Being inherently connected contributes to the possibility as it intertwines the two networks, and episode 13 directly alludes to "something" being connected to the wired from the very start. A natural network finds itself attracted to a man made network that's doing the same thing it's doing. Eiri finds it and experiments and the rest is history.
And Eiri was involved with Tachibana. It's all science and not just computers from the start. Eiri is the only person to ever be implied to have been involved with purposely or accidentally creating anything having to do with Lain either by direct quote or implication. Saying something as bold as that Tachibana created a human Lain is just guesswork for something so big an implication. They have more of a reason to have been trying to keep her locked away after Eiri birthed her than purposely making another so that they could reverse his scheme when just by existing she causes so much chaos.
You don't fit in.
and why didn't they keep her segregated in an underground laboratory
The wired is an extension of the resonance. In fact the physical idea of resonance is in of itself a red herring, it's just a tool to partially explain how Lain was created via Eiri's programming.
>This is why Lain of the Wired was useless.
Lain of the Wired, in the sense of Lain being existent before being a physical person, lacked a key detail that Lain Iwakura had, a singular ego with its own perception.
Lain of the Wired was a meme, a blurred line between internet user and person. She was anything anyone on the wired wanted her to be. She wasn't a master control because she couldn't be defined on her own. Everyone has different perception, all her observers had different ideas and she was a slave to them.
Reality can't change if there is one observer who disagrees.
True, but whether that link is just the fact that it's a social network or if a personality formed on the wired from the resonance that Eiri found is anyone's guess.
>Blurred line between internet person
Sorry, internet user and meme/myth.
>The wired is an extension of the resonance.
here we go again
im lost