Why is saber always considered 'the strongest servant'? I mean yeah, she can fuck me up good, but why does everyone think she's stronger than everyone else? Where are people like Kerry and Rin getting their metrics? What even are their metrics?
Why is saber always considered 'the strongest servant'? I mean yeah, she can fuck me up good...
Thomas Price
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Jacob Ramirez
The strongest class, not the strongest servant.
Owen Campbell
She's King Arthur. Basically the only one with more of an attachment to the Holy Grail would be Jesus himself.
Brandon Sullivan
Okay, but says who?
Matthew Stewart
>Jesus gets summoned for the war
>Jobs
Lincoln Cox
reasonable success rate in the prior wars
Xavier Green
Saber Class is boasted as the strongest class as it is the most versatile and can be matched well against each of the other classes. That does not necessarily mean that the Saber class Servant is guaranteed to be the strongest Servant summoned in a Grail War. This is evident with Gilgamesh, whom is objectively the most powerful Servant in the Nasuverse even though he's an Archer.
Logan Howard
Because "lol sword beam XD" is the strongest noble phantasm since you can't plor armor bullshit your way out of it by saying "fuck you i'm the protagonist" to the rules.
She could finish every fucking servant with it if she had the mana.
Adam Hernandez
Excalibur is a weapon created by the planet itself to fight aliens, Avalon protects from everything, put them together and you’ve got both the ultimate offense and defense.
Benjamin Cook
Watching the first fate and going in order, does shirou stop being a white knight faggot spamming SABER anytime soon?
Asher Diaz
No
Wyatt James
Because she's the cutest. Cuteness = power.
Carter Collins
Couldn't he be a Saber if he wanted
Cooper Mitchell
because she is the cutest servant
Ayden Gonzalez
Austin Watson
She can't beat Hercules though
Christian Murphy
Yes
Adrian Smith
the ones who set the ritual up and rigged the entire thing
Easton Reyes
Because japan likes swords and beams and Saber does the sword beams so it prints money.
It's not rocket science.
Eli Anderson
>Watching the first fate and going in order
I want to stop being a filthy secondary guide
>Kara no Kyoukai (Boundary of Emptiness)
Kara no Kyoukai: the Garden of sinners
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Kara no Kyoukai: the Garden of oblivion
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>Tsukihime (Lunar Legend Moon Princess)
Tsukihime: Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air
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Tsukihime Plus+Disc: Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
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Tsukihime Fun Disc - Kagetsu Tohya: Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess
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Shingetsutan Tsukihime manga (only covers Arc's route)
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>FATE
Fate/stay night
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Fate/stay night Réalta Nua
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Fate/hollow ataraxia
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Dylan Scott
I am able to read Fate SN cause there's voice acting but I cannot read more than 5 pages of Tsukihime VN without getting vored. Advice?
Charles Hall
How did you survive getting eaten?
Nathaniel Rogers
Saber class contains most of the top tier heroes from mythology. Among this elite class, King Arthur is among the very best.
Arthur in Fate is even more exceptional due to basically being a dragon, possessing the Instinct/Intuition skill, and wielding Excalibur. Excalibur is one of a handful of weapons that can just fuck anyone and anything up without needing a special set-up.
With all that said, it's important to remember that every Servant is a hero who overcame the odds in their lifetime and accomplished the impossible. There's always a path for victory, even against King Arthur.
Jayden Garcia
>Seibah is a dragon
Is this explained in the VN? There's no way such a cute girl could be a mean dragon
Brody Young
Everything is explained in FSN and FHA
Dylan Sanchez
Yes. Saber is a dragon because Uther had Merlin perform a ritual to imbue his child with a dragon soul. So Saber produces extreme amounts of magical energy just by being alive. It's what lets her Mana Burst. Without her using Mana Burst and her Dragon Magic, Saber is no different from any other 14 year old Welsh girl.
David Mitchell
True, but Saber Alter did beat every one in Singularity F, including Herc.
I can't remember how many lives Excaliblast will take from God Hand but from what I can remember, it takes a few of it or most of it(?)
David Howard
Saber Alter had the power of the grail though, didn't she? That's alot of power to juice up her Excaliblast.
I'm not too sure how many lives a single blast takes away.
Samuel Gray
This game sounds poorly balanced if one class is so objectively best. Would leave negative steam review.
Ian Rivera
>Gets killed by Redman in a tons of bad endings in HA
Ummmmm Saber fags????
Joseph Sullivan
Oh yeah I forgot about the Grail, even though she's somewhat like a Turtle, if she had the Grail buff then she'll definitely wreck all the Servants in the 5th.
Luke Torres
Kiritsugu's origin bullet would kill saber, you can't prove me wrong
Landon Davis
4th HGW Kiritsugu or Servant Kiritsugu?
4th has no chance without Avalon and you know it.
Servant Kiritsugu is also unbeatable in 1v1 matches.
Jaxson Reyes
I meant to say "Almost" not "Also".
Brody Williams
You can't summon real Jesus he's too busy with Akasha. You can summon the legend of Jesus but only if you really, REALLY fucked up.
Nathaniel Williams
The "game" was set up for two reasons:
1. As a nigerian prince scheme for the throne of heroes to send them obscenely dense sacrifices the mages could use to regain true magic.
2. As a way for the three main families to cheat a bunch of suckers into thinking they could get a wish when really they would get the shitty cavalry classes and be at an extreme disadvantage while the 3 main families try to cheat each other for their own personal agendas.
So yeah it was never ever intended to be balanced and if the Einzberns weren't absolute retards it would have worked out for them too.
Mason Roberts
By default its requirement is high stats meaning aside from cheaters like Nero you're at minimum getting a solid servant. Following that a lot of specific high quality heroes will fall under the class definition so you have a good chance at getting a solid pick. Lastly it's because you can try to rock the war with a gimmick servant that has indirect attacks or assassination techniques but at the end of the day if you can just level a city with a giant beam then what does it matter if you have stealth +5. Outside of that Knight Classes in general are considered your best shot at winning, I mean if you get Karna or Gil there's a good chance you're winning the war.
Saber herself seems weak but she's considered one of the top of the class and we get misled by her being held back in the two grail wars we've seen kind of like how Cu never lives up to his potential or Gil just jobs. Outside of the original works with the power display there she could have very well swept her wars except for Gil quite handily.
Levi Rogers
She has the strongest NP. The only reason why might seems weak is because Shirou is a shitty master who couldn't provide her with enough magical energy.
John Martinez
Jesus by default has the holy grail, THE holy grail, not some imitation.
Nasu himself said that Jesus would not answer the call if someone tried to summon him. Which makes sense because he is a man of peace.
Christian Rodriguez
The imitation can surpass the original
t. Shirou
Parker Clark
What if you summon him for peace?
Kayden Brown
He's the son of God. Is not going to answer the call, and the only way you could see him would be that he chooses to appear, just like Buddha does. But you wouldn't be able to summon him.
William Campbell
EA is straight up stronger then Excaliber.
Jace Baker
He means Avalon.
Zachary Carter
Buddha answered the call to show compassion and teach Twice that his mistakes would lead to more suffering, Jesus is slacking.
Jaxson Allen
Avalon's pretty strong, but I wouldn't call it the strongest. It's just regeneration and shunting things into an alternate universe.
Christopher Collins
The first time she used it against Gil it jobbed. The only time in anime I saw it being used in all it's OP glory was against Zero Caster's Not-Cthulhu form. I dunno if she had a chance to do it during UBW or HF (although that would be Excalibur Morgan).
Jordan Jenkins
She uses it during the Fate route, against Medusa and Gil, and during UBW, against the Grail.
Juan Flores
No. Shirou's main trait is that he'll never let anyone change his ways ever. He'll always white knight girls no matter their status, power level or consent. He cannot bear seeing a girl in battle even if it's fucking King Arthur.
Nathaniel Thompson
"Art thou my master?"
"Dayummm girl, ain't seen many like you round Compton. That's some nice hair and shit, that a weave?"
"Zounds, thou art a Nubian! How came you from the dark continent?"
"Say what? Look atchoo, talkin' all like Shakeanbake and shit. That's coo', that's coo'. I hear that."
"This land be twixt foul and fair, who buildeth towers to peak through the blanket of clouds, yet the streets below Nubians unyolk'd runneth over."
"Aiiight, aiiight, I can tell you ain't from round here. You want me to show you round or somfin'? Me an my boys –"
"I'll away to find my master, only heeding his say shalt mine confusion repurpose."
"Aiyo, you leavin' already? Come on baby, come here ..."
"Hold! Hold! Fly from here, your bound's o'erstepped. Your eyes shall see not my keen blade afore it calls you to account."
"What is that, a sword? Aw come on baby, put it down fore you hurt choself ..."
"Fie! Away!"
"I ain't gon' do nothing you don't want me to ... let's get all this armor offa you, shorty."
"I bid you stay thine huge lips ..."
"Don't choo like this? I think you like this ..."
"Forsooth ..."
"Aww yeahhh ..."
"HARK! What pain through yonder hymen breaks?"
"Damn, you tight as hay-ell, bitch! This some tight-ass pussy!"
"OUT, DAMNED COCK; OUT, I SAY!"
"Uh! Yeah! Yeah! Ugh!"
"O, thine lance be long ..."
"Uh! Uh! Uh!
"O Nubian! Nubian!"
"YOU LIKE THIS? YOU LIKE THIS? GRAGGHHHH"
"PUMP ME FULL O' THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS"
"DAYYYYYYYYYUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM"
exeunt
Jaxon James
In a meta level. Jesus would be an insta win, it makes sense he doesn't appear. In the context of the story, he is not going to participate in a conflict, and he will help others in his own way.
Oliver Johnson
>Saber is the fucking Dohvahkiin
Just Fus Ro Dah my shit up, senpai.
Justin Jenkins
Saver Class only descends when somebody will destroy the world without learning a valuable lesson from them.
Christian Smith
I would've liked the series spending more time stablishing Artoria's strength before sending her in a one way trip to jobberdom.
Mordred got better treatment in that regard, she got to boss around like a mofo during first half of Apocrypha and for a moment she felt like a credible threat for her oponents. I never got that vibe from the King of Knights even when she is canonically stronger than the Knight of Treachery.
Gabriel Phillips
>HA
Eli Mitchell
Don't tell me you're not linking the definitive version of SN, being the RN updated version with voices and shit but with the h-scenes?
Austin Williams
Disregard this.
Landon Rivera
She did not have the power of the Grail, she had master with infinite mana supply so she could go all out without having to worry about mana, something that Arturia could not. Saber Alter's Caliba is by default stronger than normal Caliba.
Pretty evident by how corrupted Herc got one shot by Shirou because he got stronger but less enduring instead.
Jack Allen
Well the mistake in that case was summoning her as Saber instead of Lancer Alter, the matured King that holds nothing in reserve.
Oliver Nelson
I think user is talking about Singularity F in the FGO mobage. There Saver Alter absorbed the power of the Grail, stomped every other Servant and corrupted then into her personal army. Caster Cu was the only one able to escape.
Parker Watson
Yeah.
>Singularity F
Brody Rogers
Shirou would've died when he was killed if Artoria Lancer was summoned instead
Michael Reyes
>FGO
>Singularity F
That makes Mashu stronger than Gilgamesh because she can tank Alturia and he cant tank Arturia so fuck that canon.
Nathan Ross
It's the only canon where Arturia is finally shown to be as strong as everyone says she is so I like it.
Jaxson Sanchez
>Watching the first fate
Oh shit nigger what are you doing
Everyone pretends DEEN's Fate doesn't exist for a reason
Connor Cooper
It's not that bad.
Sebastian King
But he had Avalon inside him from before summoning.
Zachary Evans
Agree, its just too long for a vanilla love overcomes all series.
Elijah Moore
It really is, especially when compared to Ufotable's adaptations. The OST is its sole saving grace from how badly it butchers the story.
Henry Mitchell
The animation is really bad. The fights are more like flashing lights than actual fights.
John Jackson
>implying Ufotable's adaptations don't butcher the story as well
Robert Jenkins
Only the Sakura arc felt misplaced but otherwise it's a generally dry adaptation of the Fate route.
They're not perfect, but ufo's adaptations have been generally well-handled.
Joseph Williams
They aren't perfect, but they are nowhere near as bad as DEEN's abomination. They actually stick to the route they're adapting for starters.
Zachary Cook
How long until they animate FGO so I can see Saber Alter in Shinjuku and Saber Alter Lilly when?
Kevin King
I'm not gonna pretend I liked ufotable UBW, but at the very least it looks pretty all the way through. Can't say that about DEEN.
Dominic Robinson
Saber shouldn't be that well-endowed.
Camden Hernandez
Takeuchi has been drawing her mid-size consistently for years now. She's sometimes drawn bigger than Rin even.
Elijah Smith
Yeah but it's not unanimous, there are people that say just watching it the order released is ok/better so I thought to form my own opinion.
Just that this mc drives me fucking insane so far each time he says say-bah or gets stabbed getting ambushed/failed rescue attempts
Ryder Long
What's wrong with ufotable UBW?
Easton Morgan
Not much, I just wish the pacing would've been faster. We didn't need 2 episodes of Shirou vs Archer for instance.
Colton Hernandez
Didnt need a whole episode of Shirou talking to Gil inside UBW either.
Leo Moore
>watching it in release order
READING IT in release order. Everyone recommends one of these:
>Read F/SN VN > Watch Zero (what you should do)
>Watch Zero > Watch UBW (outdated now)
>Watch UBW > Watch HF > Watch Zero (what you should do if you can't even read a VN)
Please just drop that shitty adaptation right now, and honestly just go and read the VN. Shirou is fucking based and DEEN butchering his character as hard as it does is its worst sin.
Nicholas Jones
1st, strongest class, not servant. Saber has good track record in the previous wars, always ending up top 3.
2. Its Rin's opinion
Levi Sullivan
Why not?
Wyatt Young
I'm too much of a retard to put it into real words, but the general gist of it is that I don't think the anime format did Shirou's character justice. In the VN we've heard him bitching all throughout Fate and he's been having monologue after monologue in both routes, but it just doesn't translate the same way in the adaptation. I came out loving Shirou & Redman, but when it aired I noticed some friends of mine who didn't read the VN couldn't really understand Shirou.
Nathan Sanders
>Shirou is fucking based and DEEN butchering his character as hard as it does is its worst sin.
How did DEEN and UFO butcher Shirou?
Are the animated adaptions of Fate that bad?
Elijah Reed
Saber is a horrible container for him. He sacrifice a very high rank into Independent Action for the bare minimum handout given by the Saber class container (E rank Riding/Magic Resistance).
DEEN: Saber is main character, fuck the ginger retard
Ufo: Fanservice fanservice fanservice. Important monologue? Fuck it, lets add more fanservice instead.
Jaxson Peterson
Because you have an autist talking to himself and king of jobbers apparently just stood there and listened to it all patiently.
Josiah Rogers
>Saber is a horrible container for him
Zasshu, ProtoGil has bested ProtoArthur in a melee combat.
Thomas Reyes
>Are the animated adaptions of Fate that bad?
Pretty much. Fate/stay night as a story just doesn't work in anime format, no matter how hard they try. Fate/Zero is the only Fate adaptation that was done well, and even it fucked up near the end.
There's a reason why we have these "read the fucking VN" arguments all day every day, and the few that actually do follow the advice end up almost always agreeing with it.
David Green
Not him but a large part of the VN is spent on Shirou having inner conflicts/monologues. In UBW/HF especially the monologues are really important because you get to see Shirou questioning his ideals constantly.
Luke Myers
ProtoGil is Arhcer too, your point?
If ProtoGil is already good enough as Archer in close combat to beat Arthur, why nerf his great parts to make him barely better at it for no reason?
Jordan Green
She's Galahad though, it turned a power level matchup into a conceptual matchup where she has a pretty big advantage. She has a skill that operate suspiciously similar to Avalon
>Following how it is called "hazy," the target temporarily shifts out of the time axis to avoid an attack.
>If the rank was higher, attacks from a higher order dimension could also be ignored. That principle is close to a certain defensive self-targeted Noble Phantasm.
The point is that he gains literally 0 benefit from switching container to Saber, because he simply doesn't make use of the class skill. His magic resistance is E as an Archer, the bare minimum handout given for the class, switching to Saber, its still going to be E. Riding as well, he doesn't have any legend regarding riding mythical beasts or the like, that's why he doesn't have Riding as an Archer, switching to Saber, its going to be the absolute minimum handout rank of E again. Meanwhile, he's sacrificing IA which gets boosted by the Archer class container
David Campbell
What fan-service are you talking that is in the Ufo version?
Chase King
Fortunately this seems to exclusively apply to Fate/Stay Night. Other works best for the Fate franchise seem to do better as anime. Apocrypha triggers purists but as a regular anime is decently done and is enjoyable.
Kayden Long
Wasnt she protecting Guda with the Lord Chaldea though, unless you imply here that anything in the radius of the Lord Chaldea gets shifted out of the time axis to avoid an attack or the attack itself gets shifted out of the time axis when present inside Lord Chaldea.
Matthew Perez
Mashu's shield is as strong as Avalon. It literally cannot be broken as long as she has the willpower.
The servant she's fused with is also among the strongest, and beats 7 servants at once (including Saber Alter) by himself in the Lostroom OVA.
The problem with Apocrypha is that the source material is so bad that the anime couldn't possibly make it worse. It was a pretty bad adaptation at points (it especially butchered Karna), but no one cares because it's Apo.
Ethan Rodriguez
Also by playing the VN you get to see the bad endings/different reactions/tiger dojo which shed more into the characters and their motives/personality.
I really don't want to sound like an elitist but by ignoring the VN you're always getting an incomplete experience.
Ryder Sanders
In Extella, Artoria is as powerful as you'd expect. Final battle is beating down Gilgamesh and Iskander at the same time. Granted it's because Gil just stands there and calls you a mongrel for half of it and never uses Ea.
Alexander Brooks
Shirou is still a tribly hat white knight regardless of the context given via inner monologue. That's enough to turn people off from him.