Netflix: Pros and Cons

Just wondering what everyone here thinks of Netflix producing/ buying streaming rights to anime series and what changes they may bring to the industry

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Too early to say, really

This, we'll just have to wait and see

So far, it seems they haven't been abusing their power over creativity. Aico had a panty shot before the series even properly began

Pros: they might some day fund something decent.
Cons: fags keep making these threads.

You're not afraid they may deem certain anime tropes "problematic"?

It feels strange seeing how huge netflix and amazon have become.

Fuck off, you've made this thread at least three times already. The only change I've seen so far is Sup Forums crying about SJW stuff in anime, as if traps are involved with the LGBT movement.

This exact thread was made yesterday.
it's a bot.

>worried about Netflix going sjw because of a couple of western shows
>they produced Devilman Crybaby
Calm the fuck down.

SJWs view anime as a "problematic" medium. For some reason, this crowd is the one that has been listened to the most, even though they never actually buy any products from the media they so readily demand changes to accommodate them. I'll be hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst

But SJWs loved Crybaby

It's a good thing. Netflix gave us devil man: crybaby and blame!. Anime like that would have never been funded in Japan in this day and age.

Their entire business model is unsustainable, they are paying money on a bunch of trash rejects while Crunchyroll pays for the really good stuff like Sora Yori and Yuru Camp. It's only a matter of time before Netflix cuts back on their investment in anime, it makes no sense for a company of its size to spend on niche geek material.

Netflix is singlehandedly saving anime from moe shit.

To be fair, Netflix will pick up anything.

It'll go as far to explain why they have Neo-Yokio and shows that are still on networks (in rerun or otherwise), like TMNT 2012 and Friends.

If your scared about SJW shit, you should be

Japs don't give a fuck about SJWs.

They're doing nothing good by producing trash like this and release it all in one shot, completly killing the hype and lasting power of the entire production. They think they can treat anime like murricunt Sup Forumspedosjw shit and people will magically decide to watch it. They won't.
>moeshit argument
Just look at OP's pic, this shit still has bishoujo designs which means moe. Netflix can't force anyone to swap out character designers and they were never truly part of any production comitee as far as I know in the first place
>SJW
It's true that it could happens if this was successful, but it's not.
Even Chunchyroll is more relevant for the anime they helped produce and it's actually good stuff like Yuru Camp or Citrus.

But they do care about making money, and if Netflix tells them they'd make more by pandering to tumblr landwhales who's to say they won't listen?

Is this the daily shill thread, were we pretend to be outraged but only give them more attention?
Anyway, Aico had multiple pantyshots for the heck of it. I don't see Netflix putting any political in anime anytime soon

It's going to be death of anime as it becomes more "safe" for western audiences. It continues the trend of US moral policing the entire world in order to make it monotone.

So far those original animes are all from mediocre to good and barely have QUALITY.

From some interview I think this is a good thing since Netflix seems just providing money and won't bother studio like adding idol shit or marketing for a song etc. Also they give fair time so there will be no rush-induced QUALITY.

The problem is the whole show airing thing. It kinda kills the discussion, some people can shit on a show and not many will go watch themselves since there're too many eps.

Are we fucked then? Is there any hope for anime?

>who's to say they won't listen?
Marketing director who knows their market audience from the sold products instead of listen to loud minority attention whore who never gives company any profit.

Anime is fine where it is. I wish some company would come around and find some way to get more LN's here in a timely fashion.

I think many Netflix animes are quite appealing to the casual watcher who might not otherwise watch any anime. Which I think is a good thing. Blame! provides an example as my partner who isn't into japanese stuff, watched that because the plot sounded "normal" enough for him to get interested.
(whereas many anime/manga has a plot/setting which sounds fairly odd if you're used to western/hollywood standards of storytelling.)

Pay attention to Netflix marketing. You see ads for things like House of Cards and Stranger Things everywhere, but you don't see many, if any, ads for Netflix original anime. They know anime is niche, most people either consider it cartoons for kids or porn. They won't change anime because they can't afford to

>I wish some company would come around and find some way to get more LN's here in a timely fashion.

JNC is already doing good work. Pretty sure they already also have LNs that they translate that where they get the full translation out at least 3 months after the latest volume in JP comes out.

We're almost certainly fucked but maybe we'll get a miracle and SJWs will evaporate.

It's good because it gives studios a platform where they don't have to cater to TV publishing relations and dumbed down the stuff they want to produce. Also it also gives them a place for the original anime stuff they want to do.

This place just hates it because Sup Forums believes Netflix is giving studios some crap about SJW and stuff. Whereas when I saw the shows that have come out this month like AICO and B: The Beginning, it's just the same as the anime that we get.

So right now, I'm actually really fine with it.

That's not true, anime is becoming more and more mainstream, even mainstream celebs like kim kardashian "like" anime. Bill Burr did a pod cast talking about watching OPM and liking it. It's slowly becoming "normal".

If devilman is a sign of things to come on Netflix then its looking good

People have been predicting the death of anime since fucking forever. As in the past, in future too there will be bad times and good times. Also, all trends will eventually be shat on when people become sick and tired of them.

I'm glad that I don't need to wait a week between each episode of a mediocre show. Makes things more tolerable.

I agree however some trends don't come back because they become less "socially acceptable", it would be a shock to the system to have something like Illya come out after 10 years with 0 loli fanservice anime.

Whatever it is, it can only be bad.

I like what they are trying to do, having a digital distribution first and then doing physical is a good model. But they really need to find some way to get bigger titles. They have way too many subpar series right now. IS was a nice start, even if the author has all but abandoned the series.

Aren't they more open to nudity than the regular Japanese broadcasters?

What I dislike about Netflix is how they release a whole cour at once. I rather watch and discuss new shows on a weekly basis. Binge watching is for older stuff.

It's not about nudity (game of thrones has that in spades) it's about things like questionable age which comes up a lot when over half of all anime is high school or less.

That's the problem as well. They can only get titles from small publishers because Kadokawa is hogging everything.

To be honest, it'd be a welcome change of pace if it made more anime have a college (Genshiken) or workplace (Shirobako) setting.

I want more anime with an elementary school or pre-school setting.

I like those kinds of anime more too but I don't want the other kind to vanish.

Hopefully we won't see any SJW shit, but it's always a possibility

Japanese are notorious for ignoring the western market.

extremely generic, atleast so far. Aslong as it has cute girls it will be okay

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>spend chump change on funding a few Chinese cartoons
>1000 webs like it and stay subscribed for years in hopes that you’ll fund more
How is this unsustainable?

>He noted that working with them meant there’s no restrictions regarding the depiction of sex and violence
interesting

Netflix and Hulu have had streaming rights to some series for awhile. I watched Initial D on Netflix nearly six years ago (unfortunately only the dub was available). They had Naruto back then as well, and as I recall, they had it both subbed and dubbed.
I don't really follow what Netflix has now, but I know for a fact that Hulu does current series. I watched Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans as it aired (I don't know if it was simulcast or just published around the time of airing).
Amazon Prime carries some series and it looks like they were trying to get big on anime, but it seems like wherever they were getting the series hasn't really stepped up to the plate. iTunes carries a fair amount of anime too, but of course it's a pay-per-episode/pay-per-series model.

From what it looks like, the way most of this works is through cross-streaming agreements. Sort of like how VRV works (and how Amazon Prime works for shit other than anime), except within the individual streaming platforms. So, as an example, you can now watch Space Dandy on Crunchyroll/VRV, Hulu, Funimation Now, iTunes, and a number of other platforms.

I'm actually in favor of this model, where a prime rights clearinghouse holds the streaming rights and resells it, non-exclusively, to the various platforms. I think it promotes more competition than we'd get otherwise, which is bidding for exclusive streaming rights... and then we get a dozen different platforms you have to subscribe to. The platform I'm discussing, in my view, is a HUGE piracy deterrent insofar as, if you're a relatively normal person, you already subscribe to at least one streaming service that carries the anime series you want. Why would you waste time, disk space, etc.? Sure, right now, the quality is often better on fansub releases, but I think that could drastically change in the next 5 years.
Of course, Crunchyroll hasn't changed much in the last 5 years. Despite that, they're still in business. Take from that what you want.

Is aico any good?
I dropped after the first half of the first episode, does it gets better?

Oh yes, mister Sup Forumsutist knows more about this business than netflix’s R&D department. Please tell me more about all the statistics you’ve analyzed to deduce that this move is gonna flop.

I think that's going to be questionable overall. Restrictions on graphic depictions of sex and violence are going to be eased, absolutely, but I think a LOT of other creative restrictions are going to be felt, though perhaps not directly.

I mean, shit, imagine if Netflix had bankrolled Battle Tendency. Or any other anime series with relatable Nazi characters. What do you think would happen back in the US?

Or for that matter, any anime series that shows guys hitting on their female coworkers? Or students sexually harassing their teachers? How many fucking series have there been, even if you just confine it to the recent ones, where that conduct was not only not condemned, but was part of the humor?

Honestly I think Netflix is gonna be OUT of this business as soon as they get caught producing anything that depicts what would be a "hostile work environment" by US standards as humorous.

It's okay, a well-animated generic sci-fi movie that's for some reason a full TV-sized show instead. Nothing exceptional, but a watchable 7/10 thing, I don't regret finishing it.

It had a spider tank, a Koyasu-voiced villain, lots of power armor, a neat twist or two, composer from Kado (that dude is rad), director from Kado as well, but thankfully not the writer (we're getting Babylon from that guy soon, though). It just should've been a two hour movie by all rights, because you'll have to sit through a lot of generic slime blasting.

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Netflix has room for experimenting though. Considering they're making billions in revenue each year. Buying a couple cartoons won't kill them.

Netflix is an international corporation. They don't just represent the American market.

They basically do though. All they do for the other markets are translations, perhaps with the sole exception of Netflix Japan.

Not true, Netlfix did German productions as well, e.g. Dark

It's capitalism, niche japanese studios will still make super niche anime that are only appealing to a japanese audience

Netflix will only really impact the big shows that can appeal to a wide international audience. So probably mostly shounenshit, fantasy and mecha/scifi.

Where does B the Beginning fall?

That makes it even worse. Multinationals very, very frequently have to apologize in one country for shit they did in another country. Royal Dutch Shell (i.e., Shell Oil) was sued (and vilified) in the US for shit that happened in Nigeria (that they didn't even do).

It's even worse when you have shareholders. There will be annoying shareholders who come to the shareholder meetings and demand a vote on stupid shit. In the old days, there'd always be a group of nuns who owned exactly one share and would get something on the agenda about some stupid social justice nonsense that had absolutely nothing to do with the company's line of business.

The only hope for this to actually flourish without American ideals getting injected into the anime marketplace in Japan is if Netflix isolates its Japanese production company from the main company, plus sets up some way to keep funding them without interference from the main multinational. I'm sure there's already some degree of isolation between Netflix and Netflix Studios, but I'm hoping any anime shit they do is further segregated.

The thing I hate about Netflix is that they're able to do the weekly format (See The Joel Mchale Show) but will never go with it when it comes to other shows on their platform.

My hope is that Netflix realises that the anime fandom will not accept anything deemed SJW by fans. Even over at rAnime, a site you'd expect would love that shit, got just as pissed as us when the Prison School gamergate and Miss Kobayashi patriarcy lines were used

LOL, NARUCO HANAHARU WILL NEVER BE ATTACHED TO ANY SUCCESSFUL MAINSTREAM ANIME. CALLING IT NOW.

KAMICHU! FLOPPED IN 2005
GARGANTIA RELEASED ALONG WITH MORE POPULAR TV ANIME IN 2013

HE'LL FLOP AGAIN THIS TIME, EVEN WITH AMERICAN DOLLARS.

pros: sex & violence might become a common thing in every next Netflix anime.
cons: sex & violence might become the only thing in anime.

I just want anime to not be ruined by trying to pander to people that don't even like it. Same thing happening to comics and video games

This

Netflix will ruin anime, mark my words

Do you think there will be differences going cross culturally from Japan to different countries than an American incestial subcultural bullshit fest?

Dubfags deserve that garbage and it doesn't affect the original in any way.

I'm sorry but I actually don't know what you're asking me

>yuru camp
>good

I would say that there should be a contrast of anime being exported to other countries with the point of your post being that there will be a tipping point where the Japanese will start chasing the dollars and lose the specter of why we like it versus American comics and video games where they blatantly went from being a subcultural niche to changing themselves so far away to chase the dollars. Certainly I agree that there is a danger but the markets are so different that it's not as likely. My question is about that contrast. Is this apples to apples or apples to oranges?

Cons: their anime might end up being Western-pandering instead of Japanese-pandering.

Is the second season of Knights of Sidonia even good? I watched the first hoping a good plot but it was too slow and boring

There's a daily shill thread because literally no one will talk about their IPs without one. It's what happens when you dump a seasons' worth of episodes in one day.

Get the fuck out, Netflix intern. They'll ruin it completely. The very existence of anime will blur into the metaverse of 'cartoons'. I will never fucking pay for your shitty web-service. Pirating will always be the only way for the core fanbase anyway. I hope your filthy fucking money-grabbing company is ready to shoulder the blame for the ensuing suicides. You fucks shoul all rot in hell, if there is one

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The one difference between the two is that the majority of anime income is domestic. If the Japanese believe that studios have begun pandering to the west, they'll lose their biggest source of revenue

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amazon actually has pretty decent standards when it comes to the overall quality of their animus.
netflix is mostly a garbage dump

>Haha, look, I replied to everyone's posts! What're you gonna do now!?
Complaints about America policing foreign media with their insane puritanism left over from the country's christcuck epidemic are perfectly appropriate

That's the slippery slope. Will anime production companies force anime studios to pander to the West so hard that they turn on the domestic market? That's something to explore but we are not at a point where this is feasible. Netflix exposing the Japanese product to foreign markets is a step towards this direction but a small one.

You are the reason the japs consider the west a bunch of pirates.

it's not a christfag problem, just look at europe

The revenue from foreign markets is minimal for them. To maintain anime as a cross-section of Japanese entertainment culture we can't be a major market, or Japan'll start considering our shitty opinions in production. Unlike the underage hispanics polluting Sup Forums for the past decade, I grew up in an age where piracy was accepted and rarely was there an option not to pirate - that is, before the advent of streaming and other gay bullshit. I'll die sooner than pay for digital content.

Yuropoors are ex-christfags too though.

Our only hope is that anime remains niche. Then they'll have to be careful about pushing fans away

I'd rather anime die completely than watch it wither away in horrible death throes as it is filled with stupid, ugly bullshit desu

>a turd: pros and cons

You do have a point about west cancer opinion polluting anime culture, sigh I just want the hope of fast translated stuff kept in nip land...maybe I will just learn moonrunes instead.

Since we're talking about legal streaming here
What's the general feel about Crunchyroll now? I've always just downloaded anime and watched it with MPC-KCP but since moving out I really like the idea of just streaming anime though CR in my front room as opposed to watching it in my room on my computer or using my laptop as a makeshift HTPC.

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Probably a better idea. Theoretically, it'd be perfect if all animufags spoke Japanese somewhat and the west never saw a glimpse of it. A man can dream...

It is shit, I prefer Kissanime

Literally horrible subs. Also you can probably set up to stream to your TV without using Crunchy

>they produced Devilman Crybaby
No they didn't.
Aniplex and Dynamic Planning were the ones listed as producers.

It's already not niche. My hope is that they realize they realize the reason most people like anime is that the exoticism plays a part of why people like it. If they try to chase two rabbits they will catch neither.

I tried that but the subs don't render properly, I could stream it using my android box but at this point the video quality itself would probably be, at best, on level with CR or at worst considerably poorly.
The price itself doesn't bother me too much (I'm honestly surprised at how cheap it's gotten, I remember when it launched they wanted twice as much as they do now for half as much content. And honestly for all the work they do I don't mind throwing a bit of money at them every month)

I guess a part of me still has that mindset from the 2011~2013 where anything other than MPC-HC with CCCP might as well have been an external recording encoded at 240p.

Agreed, here's hoping

>it's already not niche
Come on, most people think anime is for kids or porn