how would you make a GOOD isekai?
it's seems like most of them are unoriginal trash
how would you make a GOOD isekai?
it's seems like most of them are unoriginal trash
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They're all good isekai is best
Just make it about someone going to another world, but the other world isn't video games.
Watch more anime
Step one) Don't make an Isekai.
There, Isekai genre fixed for you.
Shit taste spotted lol
Just stop with the cheat skills and the videogame mechanics.
If you need numbers to make you characters look strong you are doing something wrong.
1) be a good writer
2) write about whatever unoriginal setting you want but write it good
>it's seems like most of them are unoriginal trash
This applies to every genre.
It's just Light Novel that publishers have lowered the bar, and allowed amateur web novel writers to publish their shit, ever since SAO went from being a no-name web fic on the author's personal blog, to the best selling LN in recent times.
For me, it just needs good world building. The whole purpose of having an Isekai is too have a setting vastly different from anything we know of and to adequately reflect that contrast through the protagonist. We should see a real cultural exchange from both sides, whether it's something drastic like explaining magic or something smaller like marbles as an economic resourse.
Sadly most iseikai authors don't take this take to give their worlds the character they need to truly be interesting. They'll just drop a character into a new world, throw some magic at them, maybe drop a little bit of autistic screaming for good measure and call it a day.
Female main character.
Male led isekai leads to waifu drama, harem crap.
Genre fiction is by definition unoriginal because genres are nothing more than heaps of cliches and conventions we've grouped into broad categories. If you managed to write something original and free of cliche then it's more than likely not part of any established genre.
So in typical fashion OP doesn't actually know what he wants. He actually does want cliches and for the story to be unoriginal, but only up to some arbitrary and constantly shifting standard that only he knows. So what are the poor light novelists and web novelists of Japan to do about it? I guess they'll just keep ignoring unpleasable people like OP who don't even buy their books to begin with.
This is also an acceptable answer.
1980-era banchou gets killed in an accident and winds up in a stereotypical fantasy world. He quickly takes over a street gang and starts educating hapless elves in the ways of being manly.
the isekai anime in your image are good though.
Originality is not the issue. Indeed originality is a poor barometer for quality in the anime and light novel industries and is in my opinion vastly overrated by people. The reason web novels (and their subsequent light novel adaptations) are so low quality more often has to do with the fact that most web novels are one man projects and so lack the polish of an editor-guided story. The author is free to be self indulgent in a variety of ways and all of his grammatical and stylistic bad habits go uncorrected. And all of this is fine for a web novel they're putting on the internet for free, but one would hope that after being scooped up by a real publisher they'd assign an editor to workshop it a little. I guess they're afraid of ruining its popularity by changing it too much, and so the web to light novel transition rarely sees much improvement on these faults.
But you just posted not only the best two isekai, but two of the best anime out there OP.
I don't see a problem.
>posts husbando drama, harem crap
You should write your own isekai user. Show those nips how it's done.
While it's true originality is overrated, when it comes to web novels, a lot of writers pretty much skip out on any sort of world building, or coming up with their own ideas, instead opting to make use of the reader's expectations—under the pretense that web/light novel readers have read plenty of other web/light novels—and effectively make near carbon copies of each other.
Good Isekai does exist tho.
Main character is a dog sent to magical fairy land. People act as though the dog says things when it barks. The dog inadvertently saves the kingdom from evil.
I would read that
Don't make the MC fucking overpowered from the get-go, that would only mean there would be no tension from any conflict the MC might encounter.
Make the MC have an actual character instead of an empty vessel. This is a show not a game, thus having a plain ass MC will make following the story through him will be as dull as you make him to be.
Have a strong supporting cast, not in power levels but having realized, well written characters will help keep the plot from being stale.
Most of all a goal. Sure it's fun to gawk at interesting characters go about their daily grind, but having a clear finish line will not only help pace the story but also give a sense of progression.
Die
An Isekai where the MC is a loser IRL then he gets killed and reborn in a new world where he is still a loser
Based Fuuka poster
Is that Bakarina? There's the manga?
Si.
>Dumb tomboy becomas an ojou-sama
She's too dumb and the harem doesn't help either.
You are correct but using a bad example, use Eliza or Maine next time
>how would you make a GOOD isekai?
MC wakes up as a dungeon monster, different from other dungeon monsters in that he's sentient and tries to befriend the adventurers who are all female
We need an Isekai about a total fantasy nut being born into a space setting and him being angry because nothing is magic and he wants magic.
Stop being concerned about cliches or gimmicks and just write something FUN
anything by FUNA
1) No vidya mechanics.
2) Interesting worldbuilding.
3) Real conflicts and legitimate threats.
>become minotaur
>"befriend" female adventurers
>end up hunted by cucked male adventurers
What do?
If it's far enough in the future, he could be working on spending decades looking for a way into parallel worlds though science.
>MC gets sent to video game world
>by the second chapter he no longer cares about his family or his real life, he just wants to live in the vidya world but he doesn't have a set goal, so he just does quests for the adventurers guild until the manga is cancelled
Take some cues from the West: No video-game mechanics, the world is harsh and unforgiving, the main characters arrive mainly naked and afraid.
Give them a power to even things up, so you don't have the really silly "With my modern-day science I can RULE the WORLD" or basically make modern technology / science irrelevant, like in Grimgar.
Every fight should be dangerous as hell, and probably more than a little traumatic. If the main characters have unique abilities, talents or weapons, there should be a logical outcome: Sure you have a sword that cuts anything. Have you ever killed anyone before? How does it feel to behead someone, when you've never been in a real, life-or-death fight?
A few characters need to die early-on to establish that you're not playing around. The journey should also have a clear end-goal. Emphasize that the new world is a mixed blessing: It might have good parts, but it's alien and terrifying. It doesn't have working toilets or modern conveniences either.
Go to bed, Albedo.
>the West
You forgot the most important part, be boring as shit.
You might as well go outside if you're gonna read those.
This is honestly what it comes down to. Isekai tends to be bad because it appeals to poor writers, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
I like Re:ZERO
the western equivalent is narnia, harry potter and the likes
>Starts off great
>Turns to shit the moment it becomes isekai
Isekai is goddamn poison.
It's getting an anime soon so it technically belongs here
The main character is a 35 year old doctor. He's moping after an important operation goes wrong, and is standing in a dark hallway, sitting on a bench - he's propping up his head with his left hand, and twirling around a pen with his other hand. He's nervously, moving up his foot up and down, and then he decides to go to the bathroom. He washes his hands, washes his face, and starts spinning the pen again - but then, he drops it, and it enters into the mirror. You heard me right, it ENTERS the mirror, almost as if there was nothing there. BAM, it's fucking gone. So he does the natural thing, and slowly moves his hand towards that mirror. Slowly, with his heart pounding, he extends his hand. Then, somebody from within grabs his hand, pulls him in, and says "Aah, got you ojisan".
It's pretty standard faire from then on (with the exception that there are no people with ridiculous powers, sword skills, magic, etc.). The MC looks for a party he can be useful to, since he needs money to feed himself and live a decent life - the normal jobs there just don't give enough money - for a man used to modern luxuries, it's a big deal. He finds a party, he stitches and treats their wounds after each battle, and he dabs into potion-making as a way to enhance his usefulness. The recipes of which are 100% real - if you went and gathered these plants and processed them in the same way as the MC, they'd have the same effect on you as they do on the characters.
So anyway, eventually strange, mysterious beings come around, mindbreaking people by "opening the floodgates of their repressed memories". Some people are harmed less, some people are not harmed at all - but on some people, it's incredibly effective. The MC fights and toughens it out, but he has to deal with a party that wishes to fight no more, with a party that wants to go home and leave this battling life. He's attached to them, so he can't just leave them like that and go look for another party.
What? Three Hearts and Three Lions is a classic. So is the Chronicles of Narnia. Same for the Acts of Caine, which is probably the best isekai novel ever. (Though I like Caine best.)
The only one that really sucked was Thomas Covenant. Hell, even the old stories with John Carter, Northwest Smith - and even the early Gor books - were exciting as fuck.
MC is transported naked into a planet of nudists and participates in a space opera war
It is impossible. The sheer concept of a guy going to another world has been done so many times it can not be improved anymore.
they could at least use a different setting
medieval european kingdom is so overused by now
a bunch of not-Rome have been coming out for a long while as well
Industrial revolution
Narnia, yes. Harry Potter, no. HP is technically urban fantasy.
The most famous western isekai are probably the Narnia and John Carter books. John Carter even has pure big-titty waifus.
A future rpg setting would be fun and original I think, SAO does not count.
Very rare does any isekai actually look like medieval Europe. It looks like JRPGland.
Just for once I'd like to see an isekai where the protagonist ends up somewhere that is more D&Dish. Shit, imagine Curse of Strahd as an isekai. Shit would be fucking badass. It's pretty much already a double isekai, seeing as the adventure starts with PCs from [insert fantasy setting] getting pulled into Barovia.
it's the equivalent as in it's aimed at the same public and is close enough that it might as well be the same shit.On that note, HP is western SAO
haven't read it but doesn't isekai FPS counts?
That one is standard JRPG setting, only MC has FPS equipment
wow what's the fucking point then
might as well read gun ota
Start by having more than one person transported. Most isekai suffer by having just a single main character.
there is no small amount of them doing this
they're not any better
Konosuba is the only good isekai, because It doesn't take itself seriously
If Konosuba doesn't take itself seriously then 90% of isekai out there don't either.
Seems like we actually do have rational anons with good taste here. Isekai wa saikoudaze. Anyone who says otherwise is actually trying so hard to follow "isekai is trash" memes just to fit in.
Hai to Gensou no Grimgar I kinda felt did it right because permanent death and nobody gets to be special right away, only hard work and grit.
Gun ota actually knows enough about guns and metals to magically craft a fucking AK.
FPS retard has his in-game shop and inventory full of futuristic weapons and powersuits runing on other world's mana crystals for no reason. It's more like Overlord in that regard, both firearms and powerful magical items are native to protagonists game avatars and alien to their new worlds.
Stop relying on video game settings and mechanics
konosuba started as a parody of shitty isekais
too bad it started taking itself too seriously later on and became a shitty isekai
Arguably Grimgar isn't even isekai
I would like to see a "reversed" isekai with a character from x middle age like world is brought into our world.
Goodbye Isekai Tensei
Already a thing.
I think Kobayashi-san technically counts as well, though it doesn't put you in the otherwordly character's shoes. ReCreators was also a shot at this, but it was a mess.
Will check it out thanks, seem to be a really new manga.
>I think Kobayashi-san technically counts as well
Maybe but not really what I was looking for. I never finished ReCreators.
That's why I posted Hataraku Maou as a picture and said "Already a thing".
I don't know if you've seen it; it's about the Demon King moving to our world; he has to get used to the society, to technology, and to other things. He even get a job at McDonalds and works his way up the ranks.
Isekai's biggest problem is that all of them have no originality. Instead of just generic JRPG worlds, isekai's should create rules, that the world follows, that are relevant to the narrative. A romance show could feature moonlight that messes with peoples emotions and explore the consequences of how characters would understand each other and react. Another example could be a typical adventure but instead of characters fighting monsters they struggle to survive in world where water is traded like currency. If japan had any sense of originality their stories wouldn't be so fucking generic.
MC and his sukeban mother, plucked from her past, find themselves in a post-apocalyptic landscape
It's the future of an alternate universe. Their descendant becomes dictator. The descendant of MC's tomboy childhood friend with unrequited love for him is the leader of the resistance.
How about this:
FFFFOOP!
A whole town is transported to another world. Cut off from electricity and other modern amenities, the townspeople must quickly come to terms with their situation. Physical and emotional needs must be met.
And then they encounter the inhabitants of the this strange new world...
Imagine Max Payne as an isekai protagonist
Will check it out thanks
This nigga gets it
Expanding on this, the banchou forms a gang to help fight off orc invaders, who he thinks fight like Shazabo pussies.
Eventually his gang grows so large that they're declared a bandit group by the nearby city and it revs up for a three way gang war.
Mages guild act like Yakuza, treating mana potions and magic knowledge like illegal goods. They have a firm grip on most places and have a vested interest in shutting down the new gang, since their headquarters is situated above a buried ruin full of ancient magical knowledge.
Magic is addictive in this world and thus highly frowned upon due to mana being derived from the blood of the demon king.
More lolis, and an MC that actually likes lolis
Don't bother with him, bro. He probably thinks western fantasy starts and ends at Tolkien and GRRM.
>teleported to absolutist kingdom
>get idea
>spread modern Marxist lies
>start underground commie faction
>powerstruggle.mp4
>ignite the second october revolution
>1917-1922 all over again
>known in the world as the workers torch
>fame
This. Just do what they did back in the 90s.
>Don't make the MC fucking overpowered from the get-go, that would only mean there would be no tension from any conflict the MC might encounter.
I want to second this, but also point out that "conflict" and "overpowered" have to be defined in the context of the world MC lives in and the kind of story being told.
For example, consider pic related. In terms of combat ability, Takeo is basically invincible, and repeatedly shrugs off threats that would instantly kill any of the other characters. This is only rarely useful, though, because the setting is so peaceful. So in the strictest sense, Takeo is overpowered, but in terms of the actual challenges he faces in the progression of the story, he's at an extreme disadvantage due to being so clueless about interacting with people and reading their feelings.
Drifters
So korean isekai?
Anime never.
People always mention potionloli or jewloli but no one talks about the average one(anime soon). Is she too average for discussion?
There is no point since they're all essentially the same character
>Anime never.
wot
Are you pretending?
Remove the harem crap by having the MC have a wife he wants to return too. Actually give him an interesting life instead of making him be a neet or a faceless salaryman. And no rpg settings
Which one is potionloli?
>MC is high school boy
>he gets isekai'd into a medieval fantasy world
>instead of becoming an overpowered savior of the universe he ends up becoming a lowly squire serving a big tittied paladin christmas cake
>he cheers from the sidelines as paladin cake saves the world from cosmic horrors
>sometimes the noble righteous paladin gets drunk and becomes extremely sexually aggressive, molesting the poor boy in her drunken stupor