>Saviour of the Multiverse
>Got his fucking Cruise
>Inflicted the more damage on Jiren
Say what you want but you can't deny Android 17 is at the very least SSG Tier
Dragon Ball Super
Carter Mitchell
Aaron Turner
>17fags
Noah Davis
Reminder.
David Powell
Digimon is considerably better written:
In Tamers you have characters like Jian who is a child that beat another into the hospital with martial arts. Considering he is actually a good and intelligent character he feels terrible about it, faults himself and pretty much becomes a pacifist.
At least until the plot starts, monsters invade the world and shit gets fucked up and his partner monster wants to stop and fight the invading ones to stop them from fucking shit up.
He stops his partner monster, tries to reason with the arguably intelligent invaders, restraining them, throwing them back into their own world.
His friends don't bail him out and he convinces them to avoid them and the monsters get stronger and cause more damage. Bbegrudgingly lets his partner monster fight after realizing that he is one of the handful of people who can fight back and more or less is forced to kill the monsters.
Then there is a further step, where the city they live in is basically about to get devastated by a rampaging megapig and it gets to him that his friends, family and everyone else could get hurt and he urges his partner on to beat the shit out of it.
The final end is they're engaging some pheonix god who was more or less responsible for sending the invading monsters and his sister is in direct danger, he tries to keep shit under control.
He realizes that his partner monster was hurt pretty bad because he wouldn't engage himself and that trying to abstain from fighting, when there isn't any reasonable way out was going to end up being responsible for what happened to them.
Regretting that shit and deciding to step in himself, there is a transformation sequence where he merges with his monster partner, ends up being a massive mech decked out in guns, rocketlaunchers and proceeds to use martial arts to beat the shit out of said pheonix, indicating that he still is holding back.
That is a proper character arc.
Joseph Hernandez
So wait did 17 win?
What was his wish? Are all the other universes erased?
Benjamin Price
>Saiyan Genes for SSG
>Frieza Genes for Golden
>Namekian Genes for self destruction regeneration zenkais
Say what you want but you can't deny Cell is at the very least Angel Tier
Isaiah Nelson
It was pretty obvious that he was outmatched in the final fight man, he was left behind because he wouldn't be able to push out Jiren.
As for Jiren, it took a double-sacrifice attack to take him out and he was weakened as fuck, can't really call him a jobber. He also got some nice characterization.
Henry Mitchell
>Say what you want but you can't deny Android 17 is at the very least SSG Tier
He's SSB-tier at minimum. Only cunts can still deny it.
Carson Harris
This arc has no meaning at all.
What really happened was whether the hero of Frieza and U7 was the main character or not. Has your audience changed? Prospects like Mr.Satam and Bulma are still fighting with some of the Frieza and returning for about an hour.
How exactly did you take into consideration the results of TOP?
Everything is the same except the last four, and the two rarely changed! The geometry is very proud except that there is still a change like the SBKK which has been forgotten inconspicuously. Wukong is just Goku. There is a change that we can not use because we know what time he knows. 17 And Frieza actually had some development, 17 became self-employed, Frieza basically recruited Wukong. However, the reason for this development is stupid!
People in Zeno know that the winner wants to cancel another universe. If not, they are all gone! Why does not Zeno hold a regular regular game? In fact, if the winner is not someone like Jiren, he will never lose.
I lost the rest of my thoughts.
Bentley Evans
>It was pretty obvious that he was outmatched in the final fight man, he was left behind because he wouldn't be able to push out Jiren.
He was left behind because he performed multiple suicide attacks and was in worse shape than Goku, by the latter's own accolade..
Grayson Thomas
Reminder that the teleportation effect during the "erasure" of the universes defeated in the ToP was no concidence. NONE of them were erased to begin with. The respective GoD and fighters were simply teleported to the GoD's native planet, however the scenes were only shown in the last episode to pass off as if the loser universes were in fact revived by 17's wish.
TL;DR It was all a ruse by EGP's keikaku to revive universes 13 to 18, which had actually been erased and contain nasty villains.
Christopher White
>least SSG Tier
you can't just BOOM and become SSG tier. Not without of help of shitty writing. Infinite stamina meme doesn't mean shit, he needed to train with Beerus at least, but all he did was protecting some island from bandits
Jack Miller
Post everybody in the ToP who was SSB-tier.
Easton Stewart
>What was his wish?
A fucking cruise
Sebastian Perry
Isaiah Thompson
>because he wouldn't be able to push out Jiren.
17's attacks did more than Goku and Freeza did until their final combination. 17 sent Jiren flying to the other side of the stadium. There' a reason why Jiren knocked both Freeza and Goku down then charged directly at 17.
Nathaniel Barnes
That thing is way too big for that fuckign robot
Ian Lewis
Soon
Josiah Hughes
i wonder how many of you would be upset if Gohan or Piccolo were as strong as 17
Luke Cooper
>u11
Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo
>u7
Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, Godhan, 17, 18
>u6
Hit, the two namekians
>u3
Koichiarator, Anilaza, Maji Kayo
>u2
Ribrianne and the three magical boys, the other two magical girls could be too.
Carson Robinson
17 was never a heavy hitter , base Toppo decimated him. He's high SS3 tier at best, he is perfect for battle royals because of his abilities but in straight 1v1 duels he would lack.
And that's what's good about his character. Although him coming back from his explosion was retarded.
Ethan Wright
m..master
Dominic Foster
Nigga just saved the multiverse. It's the least they could give him
Luis Martin
Nobody would be upset about Piccolo
Gavin Thompson
What happened here?
Wyatt Martin
>the two namekians
Nice try gohanfag, keep crying
Michael Mitchell
Goku, Freeza, Vegeta, 17, Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, Hit, Kefla, Anilaza, Gohan (on the fence with him but he had a good showing against Dyspo and Koichiarator)
The only ones I can remember off the bat
Nicholas Phillips
>Gohan
He is 17 tier strong though.
>Piccolo
Only when doing the makankosappo, but it actually is a thing so yeah. He did get through two namekians which were about even against Gohan, and he did give them both the dose in one fell swoop. His training alongside the Pan babysitter dayjob actually paid off.
Owen Lopez
Everyone is exactly the tier the writers want him to be. There is literally zero conssistency in DBS.
Brandon Robinson
Reminder that this furry ruin the Tournament of Power for wanting the universes to stay alive.
Jaxon Long
>takes a cruise
>on his phone the whole time
>doesnt even talk to his family
Connor Bennett
I don't even know why everybody is so mad. 17 being at the end makes perfect sense because he has infinite stamina. "It didn't go the way I thought it would so it's shit" I see this a lot on Sup Forums
Jonathan Cox
Leaked image from the new movie
Dominic Thompson
>jiren being flung around like a fucking ragdoll in a source game
every time
John Johnson
>Nobody from U4
Austin Hernandez
Chad as fuck
Robert Cooper
>didn't even get a line in the last episode
So much for the great assassin Hitto
Noah Gonzalez
>17 was never a heavy hitter , base Toppo decimated him
Toppo used his full power because 17 was such a pain in the ass, and even then he never showed he could defeat 17, only push him out of the ring. 17's barrier was unbreakable by Toppo, but 17 has shown to produce explosives capable of shattering his own shields.
Toppo to begin with is someone Goku needed to use KK to beat by his own admission. Fuck off with this fighting smart shit. Being an efficient fighter doesn't mean you also have to be trash in terms of power. 17 is fortunate to have both.
Noah Evans
The namekians only had super regeneration hacks. Power wise they were getting 2v1'd by Gohan.
Anthony Evans
So how long before they release a ToP game?
Luke Lee
Well, I blame the massive disappointment the malditos insectos turned out to be.
Jose Stewart
What if they made a planet of Cells and then they all merged into one?
Chase Sullivan
Go back and rewatch the Gohan and 17 vs Toppo fight. Toppo could neutralize 17's shields in his base form and later shatter them in GoD mode.
Toppo was more than enough for 17 considering he'd need the help of Gohan, then Frieza, then Vegeta to fight him.
Sebastian Butler
post smug jiren
Parker Rodriguez
>No Kale or Caluifa
lol u mad bro
Parker Hill
>Sup Forums arguing about who is the heaviest hitter and who deserves to be at the end despite it being beaten over your heads that U7 has only won through team work
And that isn't even just against Jiren, that's the majority of the fights in the ToP. Had Jiren not sat on his ass and worked with his team mates they would have won
Cameron Anderson
Kale is low SSG level at best.
Adrian Allen
Fuck you. He's Jiren-tier at minimum. Could have solo'd everyone if he wasn't holding back.
Ethan Walker
What if Goku never used the dragon balls to resurrect his brother because he's a fucking manlet? He's used to the idea of being the tallest guy around and got intimidated
Ryan Jackson
The others all did more or less physical damage to Jiren
But 17 was the only person who was able to hurt Jiren's feelings
John Murphy
They both got btfo by SSG, why would you think they are ssb tier
Ayden Hughes
based metal greymon
Asher Green
Its doesn't matter anyway, because the characters are shit and the whole plot is just an excuse to have drawn out and ultimately pointless fights
Powerlevels and shitty waifus is all DBS has, so it is what is going to be discussed
Isaiah Jackson
This.
Nathan Walker
That's garbage and you know it, Jiren disposed of 17 easily in 127.
If it weren't for Blanco U7 would lose, he probably brought down Jiren's power by at least 95%. And I'm not mentioning the psychological damage because by the end Jiren had regained his confidence.
Dylan Gonzalez
What are you talking about, Frieza, Vegeta, and Goku all did emotional damage to Jiren.
Hudson Adams
>But 17 was the only person who was able to hurt Jiren's feelings
I think Freeza did a better job of that.
Michael Hughes
And his back. Really, he was the first to rip a hole in his suit, that alone broke Jiren's spirit
Jace Flores
But Tien, Yamcha, and Piccolo are taller than him
Nathan Brown
Who gives a shit about Gohan. Gohan was slowing 17 down seeing as the android pefromed BETTER after he separated.
Why don't you watch the actual fight between Toppo and 17. 17's energy bullets, infinite stamina and barrier put Toppo in a position where he was forced to use full power. How the fuck does this make sense if his opponent wasn't SSB-tier? And SSJ3 tier according to you. Do you even understand the difference between the two The difference between SSG and SSB is fucking blitz and one-shot tier massive, not speaking of lower forms. SSB Goku was putting a better fight against SSJ Kefla than SSG Goku who got trashed by Base Kefla.
17 on the other hand was able to hold off Max power Toppo's energy beam, was able to tank attacks from Jiren, who was aiming at Goku and Vegeta. And his barriers have survived against Anilaza who had more power than multiple SSBs.
SSBs in ToP are also far stronger than baseline ones in RoF
I repeat. Fuck off.
Joshua Edwards
>What was his wish?
What do you think?
>Are all the other universes erased?
No.
Robert White
>17 was never a heavy hitter , base Toppo decimated him
His performance against serious Jiren afterwards says otherwise. He took out attacks from Jiren meant to hurt SSBK Goku and SSBE Vegeta, and he was consistently shown performing in the same ballpark as those two.
Sorry, but 17's higher end feats put him at Kaioken Blue level with no issues.
Owen Howard
Yes but they're weak as fuck. Radditz had potential to be stronger than Goku
Camden Diaz
>But 17 was the only person who was able to hurt Jiren's feelings
Joseph Collins
>17's energy bullets, infinite stamina and barrier put Toppo in a position where he was forced to use full power.
With the assistance of Golden Frieza*
Aiden Wright
>watching Dragonball for the plot
Come on.
John Brooks
This, 17 inflicted Jiren psychological damage
Nicholas Edwards
Toppo's full power is his hakaishin mode though, he had been holding back the entire time before that.
Also, his non hakaishin power output is mediocre, he gto trashed by SSB Goku and did nothing against SSB Vegeta who got out his stranglehold.
Liam Lopez
You're suppose to turn your brains off when watching super
Aaron Gray
17's durability is high because he has infinite stamina. That doesn't mean his tier of power is necessarily as high as the guys he fights, just consistent.
Ayden Garcia
>Everyone goes back to their cool universes
>The furries go back to smoldering ashes
Yiff in hell
Camden Richardson
Stamina and durability are two completely different things.
Michael Scott
What are you smoking? Freeza entered that fight after Toppo already began clashing beams with 17, and he couldn't even overpower him properly because Freeza was given enough time to intervene. How the flying fuck does it make sense to you spics that a non-SSB level character would clash beams with a SSBKK-tier fighter and not have his shit pushed immediately. 17 could at least hold it off, and he's got stronger shit like self-destructs and bombs.
Elijah Cruz
Freeza knew how to inflict some real damage to Jiren.
Then again Toppo and Goku pretty much repaired the damage.
Levi Mitchell
They probably enjoy the heat
Hudson Russell
Le stamina excuse
Nice meme. I'm sure this helped 17 a fucklot when Imperfect Cell stomped the shit out of-
oh wait.
Jayden Barnes
>with a SSBKK-tier fighter
If you are talking about Toppo before he went edgy GoD then see
Asher Hernandez
>can't really call him a jobber
no, he fucking jobbed you idiot
Jacob Hughes
At the end of the day, Z >>>>>>>>>>>>> Super
Chase Campbell
Yes, but they are linked. If a fighter in DB runs out of stamina he's fodder and can be beaten by people much weaker than him. This applies to Jiren, it applied to Frieza, and it even applied as far back as saiyan saga Vegeta.
Wyatt Allen
>18
>The 2 namekians
>Maji Kayo
>ribrianne and her autismo cuck harem
>no kale/caulifla
christ, are all gohanfags this stupid?
Mason Phillips
big if true
Luke Butler
17 isn't that strong, just has the hax barrier
Cooper Lee
Toppo wasn't SSBKK-tier before going GoD. Goku was able to beat him with Blue in the anime and fought against him with Blue in the manga.
Cooper Edwards
>comparing an OVA to a weekly show
Owen Kelly
You know it is.
Dylan Williams
Toppo's GoD mode is a transformation. I'm referring to Toppo's max power in base. Of course GoD Toppo is much stronger than 17 but he's also far stronger than any SSB could hope to be.
Base Toppo isn't mediocre. He was holding back against Blue Goku. Goku then raised to KK after he saw Toppo's red aura, then told Beerus and co that he wasn't sure he could win. Toppo is SSBKK tier at his strongest even in base.
Jackson Sullivan
17 had taken emotional damage up to that point.
Alexander Sanders
>At the end of the day, water is wet
Elijah Davis
So I'm confused about that glare technique.
Was Jiren punching really fast or was he literally punching by using his eyes?
He glared out of Hit's time cage
He glared the spirit bomb away
He glared at Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza
Caleb Thompson
Then why was frost surprised to be back too, shouldn't he have been teleported there earlier?
Luis Allen
He didn't even used that fucking barrier as much in the original series.
Zachary Lopez
>no kale/caulifla
What a retard, literally go see Regarding the others:
>namekians
they were fighting with SSB level Gohan
>maji Kayo
His performance against Dyspo
>ribrianne and her autismo cuck harem
Magical boys' ultimate move was clearly ssb level; Ribrianne fought 17 who is SSB level and 18 defeated her powered up form so she is ssb level as well.
If anything that user missed ; Piccolo's makankosappo with enough charge time is ssb tier as well given that it successfully went through the two u6 namekians.
Logan Johnson
It's the low budget punch
Lucas Lee
They are linked but stamina does not play a giant role in how much you can tank. 17 got decimated by Imperfect Cell because the power difference was too large.
Hell, 18 had her fighting ability greatly impaired just because of a broken ankle, then needed 17 to repair it.
Stamina is a poor excuse as there is a limit to how it can effect your stats. It' won't allow you to hit above your weight class.
Grayson Jones
Vegeta didn't spam final flash either.
Ryan Edwards
Reminder that cutegang won
Anthony Stewart
Reminder there is NOTHING special about Gohan. They never was.
Oliver Lewis
Do you know what time is it?
Aye, it’s time to APOLOGIZE
Leo Richardson
>>namekians
>they were fighting with SSB level Gohan
But he was able to 2v1 them. They're SSG level at best.
>>maji Kayo
>His performance against Dyspo
He merely trapped Dyspo. He also trapped Goku, but Goku blew him away with SSB's aura.
>>ribrianne and her autismo cuck harem
>Magical boys' ultimate move was clearly ssb level; Ribrianne fought 17 who is SSB level and 18 defeated her powered up form so she is ssb level as well.
This makes sense and I agree with your reasoning.