Why couldn't SE make as good of a trailer for FFXV during the Uncovered even as Atlus did for Persona 5?
Overall why all FFXV trailers after E3 2013 are shit? Was it really all Nomura's magic that was making this game so magnetic?
Will it be a complete shit in the end because of Tabata?
FFXV thread I suppose, FFXV-kun can fuck right off.
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The special long trailer shown at Uncovered was great.
I agree that it lacked impact compared to the P5 but that is because they were not going for the same thing.
P5 wanted to blow everyone way with the stylish visuals and the awesome music.
FFXV wanted a "hey guys the game is coming"
>FFXV-kun can fuck right off.
what did he mean by this?
I don't speak weebish
It was their biggest mistake considering they cashed in thousands of moneys in this event and the game overall, it has to blow everyone's minds with each new showcase (like P5 does) instead of leaving a bad aftertaste like both Duscae and PD were
I kind of miss the whole flashing text thing Nomura would do desu.
Duscae didn't really leave a bad taste in my mouth because i really liked the region.
PD was a mistake considering they don't want to lose the audience that followed news since the versus days.
I quite liked the trailer actually. Not as good as the P5 trailer, but I couldn't help but smile when Stand By Me started playing. It was goofy and charming, and fit the brotrip vibe perfectly, which is what I'm most looking forward to -- the plot can be nonexistent for all I care. I wish people weren't so dead set on creating a contest between the two games.
>FFXV wanted a "hey guys the game is coming"
That's probably why most of the trailers haven't really been all that great past E3 2013, because they're more like reminders that the game's finally coming out rather than trying to blow people's minds with a game that's been almost nothing but CG trailers for almost a decade. I think they said in an ATR last year that a lot of their recent marketing was geared towards people who were already interested in the game but were tired of all the waiting rather than attracting new fans. They'll probably have another big fancy trailer at E3 or Gamescom.
They didn't really need to go to the lengths of creating super hyped trailers such as that of P5. The Final Fantasy name alone is enough to sell it.
They also said that Uncovered would mark the start of their marketing push for people unaware of the game so if Uncovered didn't satisfy you I wouldn't get my hopes up
>I think they said in an ATR last year that a lot of their recent marketing was geared towards people who were already interested in the game but were tired of all the waiting rather than attracting new fans
Yeah, only they said that The Uncovered event is aimed at fixing that, however it didn't make as big of an effect like E3 2013 trailer did
Seriously, these still make shivers go down my spine.
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Back then I actually believed the game can look as good as this.
I actually like the newest trailers and couldn't decide if I liked the 2013 one or the special Uncovered trailer more.
After those two it's the Niflheim trailer for me and then come the Versus trailers
I hate the new UI, I wish it was like this.
Fuck Tabata and his team scratching all the good things this game could've had
I also think this one is better but I don't really mind most of the changes
What in the world are you taking about? Both Uncovered trailers were amazing. I got goosebumps when Stand By Me started playing.
XIII Versus > XV
>stand by me starts playing
What the fuck were they thinking?
Are you a 14-years old girl from Minnesota?
It's just not the same thing anymore. Versus had a special touch that FFXV doesn't have. The Shakespeare quotes amidst the madness sold it.
Stop summoning him.
Different styles and different needs geared towards slightly different audiences
Inb4 "hurr durr Kagari"
Lets summon FFXV-kun so he can shitpost endlessly
FFXV IS SHIT!
NO AIRSHIPS
THEY RETCONNED EVERYTHING FROM VERSUS
Thing is, FFXV shifted from its initial style and audience, too.
Do you think I can summon him? How about this:
Versus looked like a Final Fantasy tragic in motion, FFXV looks like Backstreet Boys in motion.
On all levels except physical, I am.
pls don't shitpost guys
Seriously, I wonder at times if the guy has any issues with the game at all? I mean, he can't possibly enjoy just everything about it, he can't be an absolute shill like that. There should be something that guy dislikes about the game.
They've given us demos frequently.
Why give a fuck about trailers that are always bullshit hype?
Why not?
P5 barely released any fucking info and never showed that much shit, really.
The news drought and the constant delays killed hype for many no doubt.
Why were Duscae and PD bad?
We will never know. According to him, Final Fantasy XV in its present form is perfect. Even though he claimed the same thing before they changed things around. And he will continue to say it no matter what changes they make.
If Tabata decided to turn the game into an arcade racer, you would see FFXV-kun defending the change claiming how FF games were always about arcade racing and the prior version was incredibly flawed.
Hell it's pretty funny watching him keep saying how superior Luna is to Stella only to have him defend Tabata changing Luna for the movie aswell. If Luna was turned into a Burmecian rat, you would see XV-kun spin it into a positive somehow.
It kills any actual discussion that could maybe be had about this game
Both demos sucked balls though.
Even most of the die-hard fans who were anticipating the game (myself included) have given up on being excited about it and just want for it to finally come out to see if it's actually shit or there's any hope left in this world.
From one perspective, it's even good as there won't be the levels of disappointment MGS V had brought.
We've discussed it to death anyways. There is no more to say. All we can do now is really just wait and see how the game turns out. I think I've seen half the game through XV-kun's autistic collages by now.
Not him, but PD was bad because it was mainly a tech demo which isn't terribly interesting to the average consumer. It was also way too short compared to ED and all it really has going for it as a demo is seeing how the gameplay had changed from ED last year.
>Why were Duscae and PD bad?
Let's see
>Butchered visuals
>awful framerate
>slow-ass, unresponsive combat which didn't have features that were shown like a year before they released
>exploits that make "bosses" a joke
>terrible glitches
>lack of basic features like simple ledges grabbing
The problem is that he has/used to have a few good points but stopped them for mindless rage against everyone after the January ATR
Don't forget, he'll also say that the changes were actually made by Nomura and cite random Japanese runes without knowing what they actually mean.
Duscae wasn't even that bad
Ah yes, so shitposting.
So, we all agree that the GameInformers coverage last month was incredibly disappointing, right? They claimed they had recorded hours of footage and we got, what, about 10 minutes of ingame footage?
He used to have a few good points then it became apparent the guy was blatantly lying to shill XV. If he had kept his calm and become a reliable shill instead of a psychotic shill, he'd be far more influential.
That's a classic. No airships in Versus claim will forever be his dumbest lie.
Prove me wrong, faggot.
>>slow-ass, unresponsive combat which didn't have features that were shown like a year before they released
If you're talking about the attack animations they showed in that Overture video that weren't in the demos some of those are actually still in. Remember that the combat in both demos is only early game stuff, so it's not gonna be exactly like that for the whole game.
Prove you wrong on what? Your blanket statements?
The game looks very rough in footage. Maybe they don't want to show it off? I don't envy the FFXV devs. They have a crazy crunch period ahead of them. The price of open-world is an expensive one.
The Reclaim Your Throne trailer was the best the game has ever had though, faggot.
What's blanket about them?
Do I need to tell you how Behemoth was just an Armiger spam if you wanted to beat him without Ramuh or spending 20 minutes sponging his HP?
Or how you can infinitely stunlock Iron Giant with surikens or loop him with Crush Braodsword - Warp Strike until he dies?
You're literally making statements without adding anything about them.
For one, you'd never really expect more than 20-25 FPS with dips from games like XV.
Don't know about what you mean with butchered graphics since that's all you claim but say nothing why and what.
What's so unresponsive about combat?
"Exploits" for bosses exist in fucking every game ever. Let's make example of DMC and how the most effective way to play it is using very select few moves solely because they are too powerful. Doesn't mean that it's all there is to the combat, though.
What terrible glitches? Please name some instead of just saying terrible glitches.
Why does it need ledge grabbing?
>For one, you'd never really expect more than 20-25 FPS with dips from games like XV.
Wait, why not? 20 fps is pretty much unplayable for an action RPG. They need to maintain a 30 fps if the combat is going to be any fun. And that's the bare minimum.
If they didn't want to show it off, why did they invite journalists to play the entire first act in the first place? I dunno, it just doesn't add up. Just like the GI people said in the footage: They were shown a lot of concept art that they found incredibly impressive but they can neither show nor talk about it.
What's the point of inviting reporters if they are not allowed to actually report on what they were shown? It doesn't make sense.
>you'd never really expect more than 20-25 FPS with dips from games like XV.
What because it's open world? MGSV managed to be 1080p 60fps.
>why did they invite journalists to play the entire first act in the first place?
Why did they release a demo that was barely playable?
Why do they consistently show off footage that looks like someone accidently clicked upload?
By now, let's assume that XV's marketing is dysfunctional.
>Wait, why not?
Because it's fucking open world fucken large high fidelity ding dong on a console.
Expecting stable 30 is a pipe dream for that shit, really.
Mind you Bloodborne wasn't much better or for that matter, DeS or DaS but people still found them playable and enjoyable.
Did it have spell effects and shit out of the wazoo?
>Why did they release a demo that was barely playable?
These blanket statements never end, do they?
>For one, you'd never really expect more than 20-25 FPS with dips from games like XV.
Why? I have standards. If eye-candies like Uncharted 4 can run solid 30fps in 1080p, I would expect at least as much from the 900p game.
>Don't know about what you mean with butchered graphics since that's all you claim but say nothing why and what.
Just look how the image quality looks in the E3 2013 trailer and how the same area looks in PD. The AA solution they use make this game look shit-tier too
>inb4 it's a 3.5GB demo
The Uncovered footage used the same AA and it didn't look much better. And that was running on a PC.
>What's so unresponsive about combat?
I dunno? The fact that Noctis's movement doesn't correspond with your button presses and you literally have to wait for his animation to complete before you input the new one?
>What terrible glitches? Please name some instead of just saying terrible glitches.
From PD recently - physics are broken and clearly don't work as intended, there were couple of times I fell through the world during the IG fight, when Carbuncle activates the game can randomly slow down and there's a lighting glitch making the screen filled with bright green light.
In ED 2.0 after you summon Ramuh the audio just brakes all the time same when you randomly warp to a water tower, audio can simply stop playing.
>Why does it need ledge grabbing?
Because it's not 2002, it's an action game with emphasis on exploration and E3 2013 had climbing sections in it.
Bloodborne with patches had no issues being in the upper 20's, 30. Drops to 20 weren't common.
>you'd never really expect more than 20-25 FPS with dips from games like XV
Maybe if your only frame of reference is Dragon's Dogma.
>Why does it need ledge grabbing?
It's a common thing in lots of games nowadays and it makes getting around a lot easier, especially since Noctis doesn't jump very high.
Can't we admit that Platinum Demo was a dissapointment for many and quickly brushed under the rug by SE? The game looked and played rough.
I didn't hate it but it could've been much better. Aside from the gameplay as adult Noctis it was pretty shit, and even that wasn't amazing.
Right now it feels like the game has no content. They never fucking shown any of the set pieces the game is supposed to have, very few cities and monsters, almost no new characters, etc
I refuse to believe they just don't want any spoilers.
Also they're way too open about the game, showing so many alpha stuff this close from release, and then making shit demos out of pretty damn bad ideas.
They also fucked up their engine big time. They clearly over estimated the console specs, so they have some fucking amazing physically based shading/lightning/physics and overall CGI level rendering, but then they have to shit out all of that at horrible resolutions, screen resolution, , super aggressive lod and lacking geometry to get this to run at 30FPS on consoles, which just defeat the whole point.
They couldn't even decide on a good UI, which changed at almost every single appearance lately, compare that to Persona 5 who was consistent for years.
All in all this is seriously worrying.
goddamn, that UI looks like cheap mobile game.
Why wouldn't they settle for that one instead?
They don't want to spoil stuff beyond chapter one but showing us some of Altissia really wouldn't hurt
Speaking of the engine, the SE engineers actually adviced against going open-world with Luminous Engine. Tabata overruled those and went for it anyways. I think making XV this big open-world title with production values of a linear closed-down game is proving too much not only for SE but also the engine. Their inconsistencies are indeed worrying.
By now I just wished they had gone for something more reasonable in scale. They want FFXV to be that EVERYTHING game.
I wish it had remained a spin off title, they wouldn't feel the need to make it into an everything game like you say.
I kek'd when Tabata literally said in the interview "It's okay if we make an empty open world with no content"
Shit was hilarious.
Tabata says some dumb shit sometimes, he doesn't seem to realize how a lot of people will perceive certain statements.
>SE engineers actually adviced against going open-world with Luminous Engine
I really doubt this. The game was supposed to be open world or at least to feature big areas even back on PS3. This is what Nomura wanted, no doubt about it.
Then, the Luminous main engineer is also the Fox Engine main engineer (pic related), and I'm pretty sure he likes open worlds
Haven't they said recently that there have been so many changes to the engine that they don't even call or consider it Luminous anymore?
twitter exploded with sqaure and xv trending nothing on persona yesterday sqaure also made 9 mil during the event in 30 mins with the ultimate edition they did thier job
I agree that they should show more stuff but I think not showing a lot is better than showing too much. MGSV did that and pretty much everybody that that game was really underwhelming.
>literally
Almost any open world game is gonna have parts with not much content, otherwise you end up with an AssCreed game that has tons of pointless clutter just for the sake of having things to do.
Uncovered trailer shits all over P5 trailer, fuck off Pesmerga.
*everybody thought
>Fuck Tabata and his team scratching all the good things this game could've had
The fuck are you talking about? You can clearly change UI since they've been showing various parts of different UIs both current and old in the same built with different parts swapped out, you can change the left side and right side UI, even in the Progress Report 2 we see three different left side UI and 2 different right side.
luminous itself was being developed alongside FFXV the engine may finnaly be complete and have changed the name of the engine who knows
Hi FFXV-kun. How was your day today?
Fuck off Persmerga, Stella was nothing but trash and XV has the same exact feel as Versus does, it was always a road trip with bros with a warring kingdom story going on in the back and something to do with the gods later on.
Everything they've released so far feels like a tech demo.
No offense to the people at Square, I love looking at pretty pictures - but I'll need some more info before this becomes a must-buy.
The photorealistic boyband look isn't really doing it for me and we've had zero story info so far. Gameplay is so-so as well and I hope to god they make the framerate work somehow.
Fuck off back to Gamefags Pesmerga we know that's you.
>Persmerga
What did he mean by that?
he is here
>Persmerga
Who the fuck is this now?
>Kagari
>Serj
>Persmerga
Is this the latest list of people whom FFXV-kun hates as of now?
someone from gamefaqs, xv-kun is completely autistic he thinks everyone follows him on Sup Forums
kagari, pesmerga, romangelo and i don't know what other names he has mentioned up to now.
Wrong.
Wrong, it's on par with ED, wrong it's more responsive especially with shield
>>exploits that make "bosses" a joke
There is no boss in the demo, IG is a regular enemy
>terrible glitches
Like?
>lack of basic features like simple ledges grabbing
Ys doesn't have this, Souls game don't have this, and we saw Noctis climbing up on things like ladders so there is some climbing
Also why are you expecting a fucking tech demo to have everything you have in the full game? Are you retarded or something?
He's not wrong.
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At 1:26 you can see the newer weapon icons in footage that was recorded on September 11th, and the clip after that has the older icons when it was recorded on the 25th.
We fucking summoned him, finally
MGSV is PS3 assets running on PS4 idiot, XV is completely 8th gen tier assets running on an 8th gen engine, MGSV also has only doesn't even come close to being as big as XV or having massive monsters roaming fields or having all the combat features as well as party members always loaded into RAM, where animation data and AI is what is most taxing
That was September last year.
Both IG coverage and undercovered are the latest build of the game and those UIs are nowhere to be seen.
I mean, I remain hopeful, but knowing how Tabata likes to scratch good things, I wouldn't be surprised if those were just placeholders
this
Thank you dad. I'll take it from here
>Souls games
>having jumping (fuck you running jumps don't count)
>needing ledge grabbing
>thinking climbing ladders is the same as climbing ledges
Fuck off.
>There is no boss in the demo, IG is a regular enemy
In the context of the demo I would day he's a boss or at least a miniboss.
>If eye-candies like Uncharted 4 can run solid 30fps in 1080p,
Corridor fest with baked lighting in setpieces, nothing is dynamic, nothing is real time lighting, no cycles, no weather, nothing even close to what XV is doing, Uncharted is literally jsut humans with guns and vehicles, not fucking monsters, magic spells, action RPG combat, party members and fuck ton of things happening
>Just look how the image quality looks in the E3 2013 trailer and how the same area looks in PD
PD is a 3GB tech demo made in 2 months, do you even know how data works? How LOD works?
>B=-BUT YOIU CAN"T CAN'T SAY ITS LE 3GB BECAUZ I SAID YOU CANT XD
No fuck off, you are directly ignoring legitimate reasons for why it is the way it is, PD is a 3GB tech demo which only has the higher LOD data for the traversable and direct vicinity areas, anything out of bounds is low LOD, because it's fucking 3GB you retard.
> The fact that Noctis's movement doesn't correspond with your button presses
Yes it does.
> you literally have to wait for his animation to complete before you input the new one?
No you don't, there is cancelling, you clearly didn't get the shield, you clearly didn't try aerial combat, you clearly didn't even touch it, just watched some video on youtube and read neocuck or gamefags so you could pretend you know about it so you could shitpost, you know fuck all.
>- physics are broken and clearly don't work as intended
No they aren't, the actual game doesn't have the hangups in PD because ,AGAIN YOU FUCKING IDIOT , PD IS NOT PART OF THE MAIN GAME
>there were couple of times I fell through the world during the IG fight
So you are ignoring how the entire area was mocked up and making final judgement on the final game based on your shitposts?
>Because it's not 2002, it's an action game with emphasis on exploration and
And XV has climbing retard, Souls games don't have climbing, Ys games don't, XV also has the parkour which does do climbing over obstacles too
>parkour
Wait what? I haven't seen any parkour.
Man shut the fuck up you autist, why would they spoil all the set pieces and big events? What are you even hoping to achieve by posting prebeta fucking screenshots of the first chapter which takes place in a desert? You are literally the biggest fucking autist I have ever seen who can't even apply a modicum of common sense onto anything, also the uconvered trailer did show a setpiece on a train which had airships flying around which you can warp into
>very few cities and monsters
What? WHAT? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN PULLING THIS SHIT FROM
> almost no new characters,
We;ve seen almost 20 characters so far and they revealed Glauca a new character back in January this year and he's the military general of Niflheim, also assumed to be the one who kills Regis meaning he'll have a boss battle too, they also showed Aranea after 5 years ago, proper details on Niflheim characters such as Ardyn, Verstael, they revealed actual Cid in the Uncovered trailer, the fuck are you even talking about?
>They also fucked up their engine big time. T
No they didn't
>They couldn't even decide on a good UI
Oh you are just samefagging again, ignoring that we saw THREE different UIs in the same footage which confirms we can modify UI between the different styles, one is the rounded ones, one is the square ones, one is the hexagonal ones, one is the oval ones, and the right side UI has two different styles too in that footage
>compare that to Persona 5 who was consistent for years.
Persona 5 looks like fucking shit you faggot and it was delayed 3 fucking times
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>the SE engineers actually adviced against going open-world with Luminous Engine.
No they didn't, they were talking about the OLD engine not the current engine, the OLD engine wasn't suited for open world but the new engine was, Nomura literally said himself in 2013 that the entire reason they moved to the new engine was to make it possible, because on the old engine just driving the car on the map was causing problems
>Tabata overruled those and went for it anyways.
No, Versus was always open world since 2010, Nomura confirmed it, Tabata just stayed true to what Nomura was doing since 2010 for the world
Fucking hell you cock sucker you are so desperate to shit on Tabata at every chance even though you full well know both Nomura and Tabata were director on the game since July 2012 and all the way through to December 2013, with Nomura only stepping down as director in December 2013 and Tabata becoming main director then, but Nomura still stayed on the project until September 2014 when he finally left.
But he didn't. Stop twisting his words you cunt.
>XV-kun
>calling anybody an autist