Do I play Underrail or Wasteland 2?

Do I play Underrail or Wasteland 2?

Which is the better game? Which is the better Fallout 2 sequel?

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I didn't enjoy the combat in WL2 when it came out, there was next to no variety in combat skills and the AI was dumb as shit running into my bullets, I eventually dropped it.
It was a huge deal for me since there was LOTS of combat.
Did they fix it in the DC?

I highly enjoyed Underrail's combat however, played as melee cut-throat PSI guy.
Exploration was nice too, the lack of a map added to the experience since I was getting lost and started to draw my own map on a piece of paper.

They're both fine. Wasteland 2 for better writing, UnderRail for better start-to-middle combat. I say this because late game becomes boring as fuck.

Wasteland 2 suffers from stilted character progression while UnderRail has it in spades. If you're hoping for Fallout 2 levels of RP'ing though then you're shit out of luck. UnderRail is kinda like Diablo-lite in that regard.

Dunno about wasteland but underrail was really focused on combat and exploration. There's not a lot of dialogue or anything. It's also autistically difficult, there's no room to fuck around if you don't want your ass handed to you

Age of Decadence

wasteland 2 is pretty crappy, neither are as good as fallout 2 but I would go for underrail instead

go away bad game

I enjoyed both, though I never finished Underrail
Otherwise you can always go with Divinity: OS for a good turn based RPG.

underrail is an incredibly fun and well-paced game until you get to the end-area and then it stops you dead in your tracks. at this point unless your build is picture-perfect you're better off starting the game from scratch and minmaxing as hard as your inner munchkin will let you. the story also follows the difficulty cliff and goes from a slowly escalating narrative about the tensions surrounding the communities and politics of the underrail, to E.Y.E-tier fucking mental turned up to 11. A good game if you're into a hardcore mindfuck that is also a hardcore assfuck. otherwise pass, you'll only be disappointed and frustrated.

Underrail.

>Bad game

Son, sit down on pappys lap her so he can tell you why you're wrong.

Age of Decadence has everything you need in a proper RPG. It has dialogue options out the ass for RPing, combat (Albeit hard to get used to) is actually very well done and has a pretty decent amount of depth when you start realizing how different weapons handle and how they will alter your strategy, not to mention the various moves they give you and how they interact with people in different types of armor. There are 9 factions, and about 15 different endings. You can literally switch sides at most points in the game if you feel like being a backstabbing traitor. Age of Decadence is one of the best old school RPG's on the market currently.

Now, to OP's question, they're both good games depending on what you're looking for. As people have said, Under is a lot more mechanically focused on adventure and combat, but W2 has more Roleplaying and dialogue. They're both good games, I would play them both.

>bad
absolute plebeian

C&C is not a requirement for RPGs but is nice to have when it's well done.

Having played DC, it's a lot more palatable thanks to some UI improvements. There's still a LOT of combat though.

Wasteland 2 is extremely janky OP, from its graphics to gameplay to story, but it's got its charm in places. It was just interesting enough to carry me through its 50 hour campaign. Its no classic though.

Both.

Underrail is better and a better Fallout 2 sequel. It's what Fallout 3 should have been.

That's a fair point, I suppose it boils down to what you're truly looking for in an RPG. I enjoy my choices coming back to bite me in the ass because it makes me wonder how things could have gone differently, and that makes me want to play again, but in a different way, with a different build. As such, when I do look for a good RPG I try to find ones that have choices and consequences as often as possible.

Wasteland 2 is fucking awful

>melee enemies have 9999999999999999999999999999 movement points
>run across the map and attack multiple times, kill two of your soldiers in one turn

I had to cheat to escape that glitched bullshit. Got to the next area and my sniper was hit in the head from across the map by a dude with a shitty pistol. Instantly killed. Fuck this game.

holy shit a thread mentioning underrail.

I personally preferred underrail. It was challenging the whole time and it always felt like an achievement when you finally got past an area/killed an enemy. The Story and lore behind underrail is also really good.

Wasteland 2 is pretty good, but much easier with a worse story and cringy voice-actors. Still a fun game though.

>holy shit a thread mentioning underrail.
We used to have them daily around the time of release.

Are any of them better than Fallout 2?

I agree with those 2 points.

Enemies can move way too much per turn and sniper rifles have laughtably short range.

Well underrail has better combat and arguably better exploration.

Fallout 2 fan here

Both games suck tbqh. Wasteland 2 skirts by only on its setting, but it lacks any and all character depth that Underrail has

good times

Ye

I start suffering from withdrawal whenever there's no good RPG threads on Sup Forums for more than a day.

Wasteland 2 has generally better writing and a lot of the jankyness and bugs that were present in it on launch I didn't notice in the Directors Cut. The combat is alright at first but it gets kind of stale. A lot of the areas aren't vertical enough to make the combat interesting. Still good enough to warrant playing.

Underrail has mediocre to awful writing but great character customization, good combat (until the end of the game), and is fun to explore. Its closer to Fallout 2 than Wasteland 2.

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can you quantify why the writing is mediocre?

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Not him, but I'd say Underrail's problem is that it lacks any and all charm that FO1/FO2 had. It's how I'd imagine Ulillillia would write an RPG

the stroycraft and worldbuilding itself is pretty good, but the actual dialogue and narration is verbose, littered with typos, mistranslations and awful choice in words.

The translation is not the greatest, lacks flavour as a result, as is purely functional in getting its point across. The setting is usually interesting enough to carry it, but the writing itself could often pass for machine translation.

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Underrail dev is a pretty nice guy.

Games almost never make me laugh, but underrail pulled it off when I first talked to that one junk-salesman guy who wanders around from store to store in core city.

thanks

Fair enough. Underrail isn't bad, but it's just too bloodless for my tastes

Wow, what a swell guy.

That guy is actually the dev response to people who didn't like the trading system.

Can't believe I didn't snap up one of his dialogues

that was actually a rip on one guy from the forums. when styg introduced item weights and merchant limits, this same guy would complain about it in every thread, even threads that were completely unrelated. I'm actually surprised styg kept his cool and didn't tell him to fuck off.

>Principal Investigator Rick Sanchez.png

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Underrail is an amazing game.

Also, I disagree with . The final area's biggest problem is hardly that it's impossible for certain builds, it's basically the exact opposite. Literally any build can do that area without any issues whatsoever, and I mean it. Even if you maxed Persuasion/Intimidation/Mercantile every level that place is a cake walk. The final boss can be near impossible for a few builds, but most can pull it off pretty well even on the hardest difficulty.

The end-area was tweaked ages ago user, it's much more managable right now.

Crossbow builds still have some problems, but you can farm Deep Worms to make a fuck ton of corrosive acid bolts so it's not that bad.

DELETE THIS

Weird, I thought the writing was fantastic.

But I'm a slav, so that might explain it.

That's pretty much how my first encounter with the master went in fallout 1. I 2-shotted him with the turbo-plasma rifle.

neither, play age of decadence instead (also W2 a shit)

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the fucking lore in that game makes my dick diamonds, going from merc to loremaster is a completely different game

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I love this game so much.

This. You should play both because they're wildly different games, aside from the fact they're both CRPGs.

>shit game

youtube.com/watch?v=ftWRSvRbUV0

What is the best track and why is it Drop Zone?

Don't even get me started on the lore of it all. It took me a lot longer than I care to admit what the setting actually was, and how everything I had done affected it all. Playing through on a second, and even third character was completely different and let me see the world from new angles each time

So, I finished UR.
Six is so fucking tsundere for you it's not even funny.
>Lesser men would have never been given this choice after such insolence. Consider yourself lucky.
So wait, the reason I'm not getting punished is because unlike "lesser men" I'm a fucking übermensch? And I should consider myslef lucky for escaping punishment thanks to my übermensch status? Thanks, I guess? Like, am I supposed to take this as anything but a compliment?

>tfw literalyl the whole fukcing ending is a cliffhanger
Underrail 2 when

What does that fucking medalion do

>Underrail OST by Josh Culler
>Culler

TCHORT IS EVOLUTION, BROTHER

I'd play the game if the developer wasn't such a fucking asshole.

"YOU DON'T PLAY MY GAME YOU'RE A RETARD NO QUESTIONS ASKED. END OF"

Seriously, Vince. You're just an asshole. Not buying or playing your shit game.

I wanted to impress him. I wish he'd appreciate my PSI talents.

There is a secret ending no one found yet. Not even those who tried to data mine it. It's not there with the rest of the endings, at least. But it might not be related to anything important, or maybe Styg is fucking with us and the secret is a lie. Who knows.

Is he really like that? I've posted on the forums a few times, and all the responses I've ever gotten from the dev have been nice and upfront.

>developer is reading steam forums 24/7 and personally answers every question and problem players have
>asshole
you're the asshole desu

Last I checked Vince was pretty ok with critique as long as it was legit.

>roleplay options and incentives are not necesary for an RPG
good one m8.

Is this you?
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I'm pretty sure wasteland 2 has a party system, which is generally a deal breaker for me. Any reason I should reconsider getting this game?

>He didn't play the FREE demo
it's ok dude, you can go play it right now and actually know what you are talking about.

Arcanum

It's easy to pirate

Do Underrail and Wasteland 2 show the same fucktarded accuracy as Shadowrun and XCOM? I.e. 98%, but missing four times in a row because it isn't really 98%

That is correct. Unless Wizardry and Dungeon Master are not RPGs.

Not really no.

I don't know what it was but I really just did not like the shadowrun games.

>I don't know what probability is

>there are only about 5 obtimal character builds if you want to survive some of the games non skipable combats
>laughting axeman.jpg

I don't know how long UnderRail is, but WL2 can easily take you 80 hours to finish if you do everything.

>enter combat and attack him
>Immune
>Immune
>Immune
>fugg let's run away
>Six teleports behind you
>Six used Third Eye

Jesus Christ how horrifying.

In that particular conversation though I actually ate like two dozens of Junkyard Surprises just to lower my Will because I wanted to fail that check. It didn't work. Funny how he acts all smug if you give up though.

not in Underrail
and in most cases you can increase your chances to hit by having guns with attachments and/or night vision googles

The only fault I can think of is that the game has only one "main quest"; which is true fo 99% of RPGs. But I know Vince will deliver in his next RPG.

>Do Underrail and Wasteland 2 show the same fucktarded accuracy as Shadowrun and XCOM?
I was waiting for this question.

Arcanum
80% off
$1.19
or you can just pirate it
so what's your excuse for wanting to play UnderRail or Wasteland 2 to get your post Fallout 2 fix?

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this is why we can't have nice things

>The only fault I can think of is that the game has only one "main quest"
Eh, faction questlines can be considered to be "main" as well. They all end with the Temple anyways.

Is it possible to increase the font size in this game?

tried to play it, just can't get over the shitty gameplay

Yeah, I think it was added at one point.

>temple
and that's the problem, again it's the only major fault I can think of.

I mean, you can actually finish the game without ever going to the Temple in the God ending.

games/RPGs need more ending locations; I know it's hard but it's possible.

>stupid shit happens that ends with NPCs going on a massacre
>thisisfine.jpg
>main quest is now broken
>complain the game is impossible without a walkthrough

How the fuck do people like this even make it this far in the game? One would think Hopper catching, GMS, or at least Depot A would filter them out.

>The Burglar who started the Core City Civil War

Wanna bet he was Biocorp?

You're retarded, the problem is that the percentage shown isn't correct, because the game doesn't take into account the debuffs/buffs.

Great to know, thanks.

Everyone is Biocorp in Underrail.

Not the player character.
...or is he?

>finding the psi research lab for the first time
>seeing it filled with psionic projections of people gone insane from being semi-awake in cryotubes for 150 years
>having to sneak into the life preservation room and shut down their tubes, one by one.

>tfw i wasn't sure if they were thankful i was putting them out of their misery or absolutely terrified as i pulled the plug

WL2 is a solid 4/10. Only merit is an okay story, the rest ofthe game is janky with horrendous combat. Ugly as shit too, F2 honestly looks better, just style wise at least.

Underrail is pretty good. I actually ended up really liking the lack of a party. Lore is cool and story is pretty okay. But the game part is really fun, lots to explore, combat is good.