FF13

I think you all forgot how good this game was.

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THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!

On the contrary, I think you forgot how shit this game was.

I recently replayed this. It's not as bad as I remembered. Hype didn't make it any good on release.

> Mom's are tough.

As a final fantasy, this was the path it shouldn't have gone. THING WAS YOU ONLY HAD ONE PATH TO GO ON!

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More like no one on Sup Forums played it but still insists on spouting the "FF XIII is a bad game" meme just to be contrarian. XIII isn't my favorite, but it's not horrible either

Speak for yourself. I was unfortunate enough to get the limited edition. I got halfway in and just couldn't bring myself to continue after that. It was so bad.

>he didn't get to when it gets good
Scrub

I played it all the way through user. It's not a meme, it was bad.

You just have bad taste.

Bullshit

Dunno about moms, but anyone who completed FFXIII is a tough bastard.

it's true user, I got all the way to the end, had to poison the final boss, I felt so empty inside.

Memes become memes for a reason. It's survival of the fittest. If it wasn't true, the meme would not remain.

it took patients and false hope.

Proof that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer, amirite?

If a game takes over 30 hours to get good then it's not worth it.

>over 30 hours
You should be ashamed of yourself and never touch a game again if it took you that long

but it doesn't take that long, infact it was easy, the battle system just made things less interactive.

I`ve liked it from the beginning and no i`m not lying. Of course it`s not the best in the series, but it also isn`t the worst.

strange commas there lad

FFXIII was so shit I almost did want to quit playing games forever.

>the battle system just made things less interactive.

And that's one of the many reasons why it's shit.

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well yeah it was shit, but it wasn't hard to learn.

Nah, man. Completing the retardation that is FF13-2 was the ordeal.

>Gameplay, Pretty good every beginner boss teaches you all the different strats and what a paradigms purpose is, finally getting all the characters together halfway through puts it all together and bosses start giving spikes. If you grind its easy as shit but honestly, if you go saying its "Automated" cause you grinded go kill yourself. Seriously, the airship and barthandelus are tough bosses.

Graphics> Still amazing today max on pc 60fps animations are fantastic and it literally looks better than some current gen games, the settings and backgrounds are amazing. Sci fi fantasy of dreams.

Music > High tier, battle theme very memorable

Characters> Designs are pretty good and the english cast ain't bad. The worst thing is probably Vanille and that's just a you problem if it isnt your thing. As for development, Every character has their own split in the story with another partner so they develop, making it more personal. They actually do, especially after getting their summon. Overall story seems nonsensical when you don't understand terms like "L'cie" "Focus" "Falcie" but its rather simple if you read the terms in the games fucking encyclopedia.

XIII being bad is a meme.

Considering the fact that I couldn't play it for more than 30 minutes without literally falling asleep... I'm pretty sure it sucked.

I prefer my games to be good from the beginning. If I hate just about everyone in this game, chances are that's not going to change after 20-30 hours in. Anyway, I watched the rest of the game online, it's still shit.

anyone defending this shit is, actually, the contrarian. I've played all 3, i've played all FF minus 11 and 14. XIII is and will always be utter shit

but you can't stand it because for once a significant majority agrees this game is garbage and you feel the need to nitpick to play the special snowflake.

Nah, XIII is still better than furfag fantasy 9 and blandshit romance 10

Completed FF XIII 3 times (Yes, I mean completed story aka fuck Orphan up)

Completed FF XIII-2 2 times.

Never played Lightning Returns because it came out after the generation switch. I got LR on PC but why would I turn off my PS4 tbhfamalam

Fucking this. The gameplay may have gotten better by Lightning Returns but the writing and characters were still absolute shit. 13 is the worst of them for being 80% railroaded through corridor level design, "Press A to win" gameplay during encounters and a lack of good customization, also being railroaded to a single line with the occasional branch to a dead end.

all these wrong opinions.
The only meme here is you spouting off "saying my game is bad is a meme"

I agree, all I ever get is "No X was better" "It had a better story"

What was the fucking story?
I beat it without skipping the story scenes seemed like a lot of non-sense to me.
No kid is understanding jack shit about that story.

hahaha
no

>its so bad its good meme

Lightning is thin! THIN!

Prove me wrong, it had difficulty, graphics, music, great setting, and decent characters (-vanille).

Literally no one reasons with me. Never, all they say is XIII is just bad "Cause le meme" fuck off.

I didn't.

It was pretty fun.

She has a nice chest though

>XIII-2 runs like shit on my toaster
>XIII and Lightning Returns run well
Is it okay if I just play XIII? Were sequels planned during development of the game or is it like X-2?

>implying all that shit plus random encounters doesn't exactly describe 10 aside from the battle system
I'm convinced the people who bitch about XIII have never played another jRPG series. The combat is literally a modified version of Xenogears, which was made by the same developer, fuckwits

tho I agree 10 had a bland romance, 9 was far better and is always rated higher than either. 9 along with many other Final fantasies was way better than 13 in everything except graphics. Graphics is all 13 had going for it.

Lumina's cunny is tight! TIGHT!

X was better. But it's the typical hit or miss when it comes to preference.

What i mean is a lot of people were used to a different type of battle system and couldn't get into the turn based of FFX. On the other side, who liked it was, generally, attracted by it despite being a feature in a FF game.

Hating FFX is by default clinging onto nostalgia for previous games. Is hating for the sake of it.

To that you add the fact that it was extremely popular. And while your average joe played it, enjoyed it and moved on, the usual 4 neckbeards still make threads after 15 years.

You won't get any resolution just by finishing XIII. You might be able to skip -2 though, just be aware of what happens to the original cast members by the end of -2.

I'd hit that skeleton and pay a few good meals for her too.

There's fanmade patches that fix XIII-2 to some extent. You can play XIII without ever caring for the sequels. You can play XIII-2 without XIII, but not LR without XIII-2

YOU DEGENERATE, STAY AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTERU

I actually agree with this like 90%
Nice opinions user

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There is literally no point in fighting enemies until you get to the ark it is a run around game and pretty quick up until that point.

Not after Mr.33 cm is done with her

I'm on my phone so my grammer is going to be shit. So here we Go!
I'm sure you've been proven wrong plenty of times but sure I'll go ahead.
first graphics were great, no problems there.
Music, one song out of the entire score was ok, the rest was pop music that didn't fit the setting the characters were standing.
All the characters were awful. Lightning was a padantic attempt to create a badass woman who turned out to be a total cunt. Hope was a piss ant who blamed his problems on other people because it was easier. Snow, I liked him, was jock dope who tried his best to look at things as a glass half full. He was an optimist. Sahz he was decent but just started to blend in the background, if it wasn't for his kid he would have disappeared all together. Vanille, another optimist, my guess you only hate her because she is a simpleton who doesn't brood enough. Then fang, another attempt at a bad add who would have been but she also started slipping away into obscurity, if it wasn't for Vanille she would be just another side character.
1/2

10 didn't have as many shitty characters as 13 does. Also the battle system is better in 10 than 13.

You can have her back after I'm done with her!

The problem with 13 isn't that it's a bad game, it's that it is a bland game.
The battle system is very shallow and it took a whole new game for it to realise its potential.
The story was a mess, even compared to 10.
what made 10 redeemable was that it spent time developing the world and immersing you in it (even if 90% of the time it was just Tidus going huh?)
13 just drops you into the middle of it with no knowledge of how people live in this world, they try to have a non linear narrative but it just drops the ball hard.
They should have had all the Bohdum flashbacks playable and had the party slowly build up with none of this splitting up bullshit.
And the combat system should have made you choose between what characters and roles you want in your party instead of having all characters unlock all classes

2/2
continued
As for the story, it was horrendous.
you have a not so complicated plot trying to be complicated by using made up words.
The exposition was shit/ nonexistent, You had no idea where you were and as to why they are going the path they are going. The don't bother to talk about the world in detail because their feelings are some how more important than the world they live in, even I'm character driven games you have to include the world they are to explain the character more indepth.
The characters were just shallow and the entire plot and skip was made to be a bad fanfiction.

agree with yourself user?

>Lightning was a padantic attempt to create a badass woman who turned out to be a total cunt.

She's only like that for a 1/3rd of the game right after she get Odin she is literally female cloud.
Throwing "awful" before your sentence doesn't actually make it awful.

Why does this game have an 83 on metacritic?

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This might be long.

>Gameplay
The gameplay was bad, and I have one very simple example: When you attack an enemy, a number appears above it's head of the damage you'd done.
Why? What gameplay purpose does that number serve?
The answer is none, for two reasons. One, you almost never actually see the enemy's health so you have no frame of reference for how much damage you're actually doing, and two, the numbers appear so frequently, are so huge on their own, and disappear so fast that you end up never actually paying attention to them. They're utterly pointless. So why are they there? Because every other Final Fantasy game had them. That's it. It ends up being meaningless white noise. A distraction at best. It's that basic design philosophy that permeates the entire game, but it's epitomized in the battle system. It has to be fast, because it's Final Fantasy and it's always had a fast battle system, except in this game it's SO fast that there's a huge disconnect between what you do and the actual actions displayed on screen. You as the player feel disconnected from the action, and that's on top of the paradigm system, which means you don't HAVE to be directly involved with the battle, which is bad fucking game design. It's deeply flawed and reactionary from the ground up.

>Graphics
>Music
Granted, not bad. But of course they're not. Audiovisual presentation is the one thing Squeenix doesn't fuck up at. But let's look at the actual level design for a second. The window dressing is nice, sure, but that whole "ENDLESS HALLWAY" thing really isn't a meme, it actually is basically one long hallway. And not only is every area a hallway, every area is a hallway floating in some masterfully rendered skybox, to a degree that's as insensitive to practicality as it is self parody. Even the underground sewer system is apparently built in a cathedral.

>Characters
I am running out of space, but no. Just no. Maybe I'll make a second post.

Literally two different people.

>10 didn't have as many shitty characters as 13 does.
Most of 10s characters had fuck all development, whereas at least 4 of XIII's characters had undeniable changes

>Also the battle system is better in 10 than 13.
While I agree X's was pretty good, it removed almost all consequences of mistakes made during team set up; this never goes away. You'd get your shit pushed in quick if you made the same mistakes in XIII's late game

same reason 9 has a higher score?
That's what makes her awful, she isn't even her own character and even hates snow for shit he couldn't control. She is like this through out the entire game, she just changes her cunt sights on something else. Do you really think Female Cloud is a good character because she's a female cloud?

YOU'RE NOT GETTING NEAR HER

>IT GETS GOOD 30 HOURS IN user!
>it didn't

using proxy isn't a thing

>The gameplay was bad, and I have one very simple example: When you attack an enemy, a number appears above it's head of the damage you'd done.
wew stopped reading there

>you almost never actually see the enemy's health

You actually always see the enemies health, damage is a factor, numbers is a factor, staggering to 999% helps largely, and grinding is also another factor.

What fuckery are you fabricating?

>That's what makes her awful, she isn't even her own character and even hates snow for shit he couldn't control.
I'm convinced you don't regularly interact with normal, adjusted people. Lightning's reaction and behavior was very realistic.

that's probably why you can play 13, you just stop paying attention and say ooooh pretty graphics

Already unloaded in her tiny butthole!

>making shit up
Shame on you

You never see the numbers though, unless you use scope. And even then, ONLY in the scope screen.

HA, THAT WAS YOUR ONA-HOLE

>X removed almost all consequences of mistakes made during team set up

have you even seen the dark aeons? 1 out of place move/stat/skill and the party was wiped, ribbons or not. If instead you refer to non-post-game then ok, on average you had the chance to unfuck up

100% this, she never quite overreacted, Fang tells lightning on how she cursed her sister and
Lightning just gives her a simple slap in the face. Not quite even the average Jrpg protag.

no, it wasn't especially when there is a fucking badly design god that chooses people at random in unrealistic circumstances in an unrealistic situation with unrealistic characters. The only reason people liked her was her design.

No it was your daughteru's hole!

>having damage display at all is an example on why the gameplay is bad
This is too retarded to be bait.

>next to 0 porn of this cock teasing semen demon
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Way too generous with FFXII

>having said that at all
what are you talking about? I never said any if that

>play XIII
>i can't fucking stand Sazh: annoying char, annoying story, annoying skills
>suffering inside every time i'm forced to play with him
>the other characters suck balls too but goddammit fucking Sazh

>come to Sup Forums
>everybody loves him to the core

am i beyond salvation?

And Fang

DIE SCUM

Good

FFXIII could've been great. FFXIV:ARR was a return to greatness. Here's hoping FFXV makes FF great again.

Is she a virgin?

YES SHE IS YOU PERVERT!

Honesty it just can't be reasoned with, anyone who tried to lash out at proper reasoning comes back with the weakest criticisms.

I wasn't on the hype train for this game, and I had a good time, got what I expected. I think whoever was on the hype train was disappointed though. Def not a bad game, have since given it about 3 playthroughs.

>A haven, yea. Yet it must fall ere we be saved. Too frail a shell, and humans should not thrive. Too stout a shell and they would not die. Slaughter and salvation! Two irreconcilable Focuses we bore. Yet bound were we in a cocoon prison, impervious to our power. And so we thank you for granting us our longed-for birth. We are the Abandoned One, born but now to die. Our name is Orphan. By our hand, the world shall know redemption.

Am I the only one that thought Orphan was cool? I fucking love boss speeches in pseudo old english.

>Good

Sahz could have been a great Laguna/Zack-like supporting member if SE hadn't tokenized him to hell and back

Either pay attention to the reply chain or re-read your fucking post.

The only good thing that came from FFXIII.
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Namasensei?

Caius was the best villian in XIII series, Bhunivelze was a badass as well design/voice wise. I can agree the story for LR XIII was crap tho.