Is Sonic the most powerful character in Smash, lorewise?

Is Sonic the most powerful character in Smash, lorewise?

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Who would win: Mario with a Super Star or Super Sonic?

There is Kirby and Bayo, not to mention that Palutena is a goddess.

Wouldn't the strongest be Shulk, or at least the Monado?

kirbyinfinitepower.jpeg

Super Sonic has killed gods.

The Monado's weakness is the wielder.

>Kirby

It's probably Kirby, yeah. Palutena isn't that strong for a goddess, though, and I'm not really familiar with Bayonetta.

What does it say in the original Japanese text?
Could just be a hyperbole

Dude, even Ike has killed a god.

Even Mario has killed eldritch gods.

Pit destroyed Hades' body and can kill Palutena

Wouldn't Metaknight be the strongest, since Kirby is just a younger member of his race?

Also, let's flip this, who's the weakest character on the cast? Olimar?

Super sonic > Bayonetta > Kirby

I don't know where muh nado fits in because I didn't play that game, but those three would be in that order

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Olimar killed beings far bigger than him

Yeah but even as an infant Kirby defeats Metaknight on a regular basis

Wasn't Kirby like super broken lorewise?

What's Bayo's weakness? Sonic needs rings to maintain super form but he's literally unstoppable in it, and can use the absolute horseshit that is chaos control freely.

Metaknight lets him win, its all part of his training. Why do you think he throws you a sword?

She's a glass cannon

Ike and Roy would probably be the strongest Fire Emblem characters.

Mario and Luigi are going to get undersold but are probably really good w/ power-ups

Cloud with Ultima Weapon and good Materia would absolutely wreck shit, up there with Pit imo.

And Meta Knight MIGHT be better than Kirby. Kirby only defeats Meta Knight by breaking his mask, remember that.

And that's all the autism I've got.

Sonic with rock music blazing in the background is strongest otherwise is the pink handball followed by red anime swordsman

Fatal wounds, she's human. Her strength doesn't really make sense considering she's a fairly typical witch who summons demons to do her heavy lifting, and somehow managed to kill the creator of the universe with no special powerups or anything

>Mario
Has killed planets, suns and Gods. On good days can breathe underwater indefinitely and in the vacuum of space.

>Luigi
See Mario

>Kirby
Regularly kills ancient gods/stars/planets. Can crack a planet in half with a single Punch.

>Ganondorf
Unkilliable under most conditions. Only holy weapons can kill him, and even that's not without a margin of error. Can control the minds of other beings.

>Rosalina
Literal space Goddess.

>Palutena
Literal Goddess.

>Wario
Immortal. Cannot be killed, only affected. Can digest most forms of matter and energy. Herculean strength. Infinite lung capacity.

>Bayonetta
Kills Gods. Stays Stylish. Dante levels of plot armor.

>Ness
Has killed the very concept of evil itself.

There are others but those are probably the biggest examples.

Gamewise, Kirby is capable of cracking planets with a punch and his fight with Nightmare destroyed 1/4 of the moon. In the anime he physically threw a guy into the sun. That's game and anime, though. In the lore, Kirby is stated to have infinite power.

I think Bayonetta is on that level, too, not including the infinitepower.jpg. She did punch someone throw multiple planets and into the sun as well, didn't she?

I don't recall Super Sonic doing anything on that level save teleporting the ARK, and he had help from Shadow.

It's hardly training if you're letting someone win

>Name: Shulk
>Origin: Xenoblade
>Gender: Male
>Classification: Hom, God
>Age: 18 years old
>Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, stamina, immortality, flight, pre-cognition, healing
>Weaknesses: None notable
>Destructive Capacity: At least universe level+ (Comparable to Zanza)
>Range: Universal
>Speed: MFTL+ (Flew from the moon to Mars in seconds)
>Durability: At least universe level+ (Took blows from Zanza)
>Lifting Strength: Unknown
>Striking Strength: Unknown
>Stamina: Likely limitless
>Standard Equipment: The Monado
>Intelligence: High

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Reminder that the game was translated along with the development so pretty much most of the text is near literal.

Roy's weak as fuck though. Just because he has a nice sword doesn't mean other characters don't have shit like the fucking master sword.

>Weaknesses: None notable

Jesus christ he's like an edgy deviantart OC

He's actually somewhat of a dork in game

I don't know, but in English it comes up twice.

Super Star lasts like 7 or 8 seconds. Super Sonic is required to last at least 50 seconds.

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Super Sonic got fucking cancelled by Eggman in Sonic Unleashed's opening.

Rekt

How the hell can something be "near infinite?"

Where is the red emerald ?

Mr. Game & Watch

Eggman is on a tier of his own

Shulk with the Monado III, all arts at max level, all monado arts, all skills, the best skill links, lancelot armor, glory gauntlets, perfect Unbeatable VI and Debuff Resist VI gems at max tension with Fiora and Dunban in a chain attack with max affinity is unstoppable

Eggman is Batman dialled up to 11, he had a very specific trap set up and was relying on Sonic not just killing him.

If Sonic just went all out he'd be fucked.

Kirby killed Buu

Super Sonic is only a planet buster
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This would be a nice idea if it weren't for that fact Kirby beats characters who shit on Metaknight all the time

Regular Knuckles punched the chaos emeralds out of Super Sonic in Sonic 3 so he's a fucking pussy

Who the fuck cares? Sit your autistic ass down

Kirby is established to straight up have infinite power in Robobot

Dunno why people are arguing this now, I mean even before Robobot it was agreed Kirby was league above everyone else aside from maybe Bayonetta and Shulk

Sonic is only at this level if he has the chaos emeralds, and a ring count high enough to win a fight.

Other than that, he's very, very killable. Even in the best case scenario, if you can wait him out long enough, he loses his ability to fly, breathe in any inhospitable atmosphere, invulnerability, and do damage on contact. Plus, he has no rings meaning any touch of damage finishes him.

Hyper Sonic can breathe underwater

What the fuck is so strong about super sonic?

It's basically sonic except he can fly and not get as hurt as usual.

Read the post again, stupid.

When has Super Sonic even gone as high as planet busting?

All I remember him actually doing is teleporting ARK, breaking those battleships Metal Overlord throws, and other non planetary stuff. He can't be hurt, yeah, but his offense really doesn't seem that high.

He has all the power of the Chaos Emeralds at his disposal.

Using only a few Chaos Emeralds you can blow the fucking moon away.

The only reason he doesn't blow planets away is because he's trying to protect them.

You can't quantify infinite. Thus you can't know what is truly infinite. You can only estimate it thus "near infinite"

>Using only a few Chaos Emeralds you can blow the fucking moon away.

Yeah if you have Robotnik levels of technology.

Just cause he looks like a Super Saiyan doesn't mean he can fight like one.

Sonic needs 7 Emeralds+50 Rings.

So let Mario have 7 Superstars at bare minimum.

Half the moon, and Eggman had like 6 out of 7 at the time IIRC. At least he did by the time Sonic actually got there. Plus that's the ARK, and apparently the only way it could destroy the planet was by fucking ramming it even with all 7 emeralds.

That reminds me, didn't Eggman break the planet apart (without destroying it) in Sonic Unleashed? Did he have all 7 for that?

What about Sonic equipped with 7 super emeralds, 7 sol emeralds, 6 chaos rings, 999 rings, the entire Wisp race inside him, five super Flickies at his side, a lightning shield that attracts rings in the environment, all his friends cheering at the background and Live and Learn as the BGM?
Can someone defeat him?

>That reminds me, didn't Eggman break the planet apart (without destroying it) in Sonic Unleashed? Did he have all 7 for that?

Yes, because he sucked them all out of Super Sonic.

Mr Satan

Exactly, and he consumes all of those things at once. Doesn't translate to Mario consuming a superstar every time it runs out.

>Yeah if you have Robotnik levels of technology.
Sonic is literally stronger than any piece of technology Eggman has ever created.

The final boss in Robobot warps reality and shit, Kirby seems pretty fucking stronk after dealing with that

What about Robin? He/she can never be killed unless they do it themselves.

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Bayonetta would beat sonic. Her only weakness is big black demon cock, and sonic's little hedgehog dick can't compete.

>inb4 autistic outrage/wall of text explaining his headcanon in which Sonic is the strongest being in the universe and the sexiest hedgehog and how many times he has cum to him.

>Kirby's A button attack during the final battle is named "Planet Buster"

>Also, let's flip this, who's the weakest character on the cast?

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>applying Abrahamic God power level to Japanese perception of gods.

Literal retards ITT.

You're forgetting that Knuckles knocked the Super right out of that motherfucker as well

see

He's still fighting, just not 100%

Sonic's only hot shit if he has the chaos emeralds. Without them he's just a watered-down Flash.

Also, whoever that can use the Master Emerald can nullify chaos emeralds' power.

>People forgetting about the walking tank that can shoot black holes out of her gun and run at mach 8

kek

>Thread about lore
>People still bring up gameplay mechanics as if it counts for lore

>sonic was holding back in a deathtrap against his worst enemy
How many times do you ejaculate to Sonic on a daily basis?

explain this then, faggot

>Link touches the triforce
>I want X dead
woah so hard.

>Link touches the triforce
>HUUH HYAA HYUURP

>mfw this nigger grabbed me as super sonic
i could feel the dunk irl as well

Oh that's bullshit, anyone within arms reach of the triforce could do that

as in he didn't see it coming, same with the knuckles shit. also nice 17s.

>black holes
If it doesn't suck light it's not a real black hole.
It's a glorified vortex.
That said Samus is still pretty powerful

>Sakurai says Kirby is best

Wow, big surprise.

The reason that he fell in the death trap was that he was holding back

I don't know what you're trying to convey, but I was referring to the start of Sonic 3 when Knuckles uppercuts the Chaos Emeralds out of Super Sonic, rendering him regular Sonic. If Knuckles can do that then what's to stop any Smash Bros. character from doing the same?

>if he can reach the Sacred Realm*

>surprise attacks don't count in a deathmatch

Samus is really strong, but she can't exactly crack a planet with a punch.

I was refering to how knuckles did that, yet in this scene, sonic kicks his ass with no problems, emeralds or not

Knuckles had the Master Emerald on him, dipshit.

Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, so he's probably the only person who could slap the super out of someone like that

I feel really autistic right now

>if he can reach the Sacred Realm*

You can walk right in there if the door's unlocked.

Sakurai hasn't had a hand in Kirby games since around Air Ride

I'm not 100% certain Sakurai was involved in Planet Robobot.

Besides, with all his Kid Icarus wanking you'd think literal gods would be more powerful. Nobody in that series is as big a threat as Kirby.

Wasn't that already stolen before Sonic 3 began?
Angel Islands already in the water afterall