>Several media outlets have opinion pieces on Battlefield 1 asking if it is morally okay to glorify and trivialize WW1 in a video game designed for entertainment/fun. >Somehow this causes mass controversy among Gaming circles. >Go read comments from Gamers >"Huur duur SJWs are being overly sensitive once again, why is WW1 so special? WW2 was worse, duuuur huur Fuck SJWS, haven't they heard of the first amendment? War is beautiful and glorious, its only human nature to glorify war!!!"
Since Battlefield 1 has obviously brought up this "controversy" (simply some opinion writers asking a question) I've come to think, what do you Americans actually think of WW1? Why do you find it so shocking that think pieces (largely from countries such as the UK, France, Australia etc) would ask if it's right to glorify WW1 when that topic is already incredibly mainstream in these countries to begin with.
For example, here, WW1 is not really seen as a war, but closer to a corrupt genocide or massacre of ordinary people by the greedy elite. Annual WW1 events take the form of essentially mass funerals where we remember millions of people on both sides sent to a useless slaughter for no reason. Almost all media around WW1 is viewed from the viewpoint of poor people being tricked to fight in a pointless conflict where they had more in common with their enemy than those commanding them. This is why events like opposing soldiers throwing/trading food to each other on opposite trenches and the Christmas truce are such major parts of WW1 remembrance.
Also the "glorification" of WW1 is a major controversial topic at least in Commonwealth countries. There has been over recent years what is seen largely as a disturbing trend where Governments are hijacking WW1 remembrance for military glorification and nationalist purposes, this is a topic constantly talked about in our media.
So why do gamers (mostly americans) seem to have a hard time understanding why this is a controversial issue?
>For example, here, WW1 is not really seen as a war, but closer to a corrupt genocide or massacre of ordinary people by the greedy elite. I live in the UK, and that's really not the feeling I get.
Adrian Reed
>corrupt genocide or massacre of ordinary people by the greedy elite >mass funerals where we remember millions of people on both sides sent to a useless slaughter for no reason > poor people being tricked to fight in a pointless conflict where they had more in common with their enemy than those commanding them >remembrance for military glorification and nationalist purposes
Sounds like WW2 to me. Or pretty much any war with minor changes. As far as the Christmas truce and such go leaders on both sides saw the effect that had and nipped it in the bud almost immediately. Since then 'they' have taken steps to ensure such incidences will never occur again.
Xavier Morgan
>So why do gamers (mostly americans) seem to have a hard time understanding why this is a controversial issue? Because they're mad the USA weren't relevant in WW1.
Nicholas Cruz
>Sounds like WW2 to me. >>corrupt genocide or massacre of ordinary people by the greedy elite
Yeah there was totally not a valid reason for stopping Germany in WW2, nope, can't think of anything. It's a fitting description for WW1 because that's all it was, it was imperial ambitions, there was no reason for the war to happen. There was a very real and very good reason for stopping Germany in WW2.
>inb4 it's a Sup Forumstard about to tell me how the holocaust wasn't real and germany was the victim in ww2
Jayden Thomas
poppies? in flanders fields? constant hammering on how fucking incompetent commanders were because they were chosen because they were aristocratic inbreds?
WW1 is always viewed from an anti-War/mass tragedy angle.
>Sounds like WW2 to me.
WW2 is seen as a "just war" because Fascism and the Nazis were actually evil. WW1 is seen largely as a conflict where aristocratic wankers circlejerked too hard and caused the largest conflict ever seen based on completely retarded bullshit.
William Cruz
I think the media pushes that angle quite hard, but the average person isn't very well informed and WW1 to them is just "Yeah, we kicked Germany's ass!"
Kevin Turner
>where they had more in common with their enemy than those commanding them. That is how it differs in the US, Nazis were allied with communists and America has always been very anti-communist historically. The veterans from the US from WW1 and 2 viewed the enemy as more of an enemy than fellow countrymen. So our depictions of it tend to be more "us vs them" than Europe obviously.
David Parker
>Here in Australia like 90% of history class in school was dedicated to WW1 >Still never actually learned why WW1 happened.
We did watch Gallipoli on repeat non-stop, I literally used to be able to recite the entire script of the movie while watching it.
>constant hammering on how fucking incompetent commanders were because they were chosen because they were aristocratic inbreds? This whole thing has been dying for the past few decades as the stories of people like "Butcher Haig" have been discredited by modern scholars
Asher Gutierrez
>how fucking incompetent commanders were because they were chosen because they were aristocratic inbreds?
>The Somme. >British soldiers were forced to walk in formation into german machine gun fire because thats the "gentlemanly way" to conduct war.
Nicholas Kelly
>Still never actually learned why WW1 happened That's because historians don't even agree on why it happened. It was just blamed on the Germans after they lost WW2, with their "blank check".
Then the Austrians for thinking Germany wanted a a war, then the Russians for trying to be relevant. And then France for encouraging Serbia to not co-operate with Austrian investigators, and subsidizing Russia's infrastructure so that they would mobilize faster (gotta get dat Alsace-Lorraine).
Jonathan Barnes
What's with this "Black men can't be good fathers" meme?
Julian Thomas
Spot the Marxist
James Richardson
Americans only know we came and SAVED EUROPE by ending World War 1 or something.
We don't get taught how American merchants of death like the Bush family was profiting by selling arms to both sides during the Great War, and how the international banking cartel designed the Treaty of Versailles with such unfair punishment to Europe that it directly caused World War 2 when Hitler told the finally up and told the Rothschilds to eat shit (he was internationally well-regarded in Europe and the USA for how he bootstrapped Germany's shattered economy up from the 1000-foot deep hole it was in under the debt-riddled Weimar failed government)
Don't forget the naval arms race/German attempts at forging a colonial empire.
The list of contributing factors to WW1 is almost endless but yet noone can seem to pinpoint what exactly the reason for it was, which is why WW1 is seen as such a tragedy. A war that kills 20 million people should have a pretty clear reason for happening and not just a "well I suppose it was a little bit of this and a little bit of that"
Easton Reyes
>Battlefield 1 gets announced >everyone discussion how fucking radical its going to be >cover gets shown >its a black guy >Sup Forumsfags come swarrming in and ruining everything and spamming cuck memes >we will never be able to discuss this game >mfw
Sebastian Morgan
>So why do gamers (mostly americans) seem to have a hard time understanding why this is a controversial issue?
Because it happened over a 100 years ago, and Battlefield 1 is a fucking game.
People like you, and everyone else need to get over themselves.
Grayson Long
I always thought that WW1 would be inappropriate for a video game. It doesn't feel grand and justified and heroic like other wars do. It was just a useless and ridiculously overblown war, an absolutely superfluous waste of human life that also served to set a precedent for the bloodiest century our species has ever seen.
I understand that you can make the argument that it's hypocritical to condemn a WW1 game and not the games about WW2 and vietnam, but it really just seems like a different thing entirely.
Angel King
Look up Valiant Hearts.
Chase Young
>It doesn't feel grand and justified and heroic like other wars do
Thomas Hill
It seems like virtue signalling to act up in an uproar about trivializing WW1 when trivializing every single conflict prior and before of any consequence has not had anyone bat an eye. IT's done for WW1 because it's such a rarely depicted war - you can't jump on the self-righteous bandwagon for wars that have already long been established in popular culture.
WW1 has an appeal of being a greek tragedy but a whole hell of a lot of prior wars were also 'aristocrats playing with the lives and well being of their nations for petty courtly intrigue and the naked pursuit of selfish power and glory. We don't cry for the rape of France because the cocksucking Plantagenets wanted to rule France and England, we don't cry for the hundreds of thousands to millions who died because of Napoleon's megalomania or because of the first coalitions tried to snuff the baby of republican revolution in France before it spread to their own aristocratic monarchies, we don't cry for the millions killed because Genghis Khan wanted to be the khan of khans.
They can spare us their sanctimonious bullshit.
Jack Gutierrez
The Germans were blamed immediately after WW1, due to the guilt clause. This came about mainly because the French were incredibly butthurt about the casualties they sustained, and they also wanted to make sure that Germany wouldn't be able to attack them again in the near future. So much for that, lel.
Even back then it was apparent to the victorious nations that Austria-Hungary was more directly at fault, but Germany was a lot more convenient to point fingers at.
Grayson Taylor
Really? Our history class centered around the Pacific Theatre and especially Vietnam, we even got a lecture from a guy who trained and led South Vietnamese troops as part of the AATTV.
All we really learned about World War 1 was how we were hapless pawns of the commonwealth that got sent to wrong fucking beach and how unethically all the recruiters behaved, also bits and pieces about how we ran amuck all over Egypt.
Noah Torres
>French were incredibly butthurt about the casualties they sustained Funny considering they escalated a crisis in the Balkans into a global war.
Carson Johnson
So, I'm rather sentimental about military service and I appreciate the sacrifices that those that died in combat have made. Those that have fought in wars past have my respect.
That being said, I enjoy games about war and FPS's. BF4 has been making a come back for me these last few weeks.
Do these games trivialize the wars and conflicts they depict? Sure. But the same can be said of every bad thing that ever happend to someone that had been made into a movie, game or book. Most media is for entertainment and almost all of it trivializes the conflicts and troubles they depict. So why would a game about WW1 be any different than any book or movie that has used the same settings for entertainment?
You can't be mad about and tell someone that they can't use one setting if all other similar settings are some how okay.
Am I wrong some how?
Nathaniel Gomez
>French were incredibly butthurt about the casualties they sustained, and they also wanted to make sure that Germany wouldn't be able to attack them again in the near future.
Julian Garcia
I don't see why a war is off limits for a setting in a creative endeavor.
Julian Bell
I was mainly thinking of WW2 when I said that, and I stand by that belief 100%.
WW2 had very clear and justified reasons for its outbreak and escalation. WW1 came to be almost purely because of pure political incompetency and immaturity.
Personally I don't know how the fuck you're going to make a WW1 game that's fun.
>Stay in trench >Peek over and take potshots >Get mustard gassed >Charge through no-man's land and die >Repeat for four years
Angel Thomas
It's a game so yeah you're retarded SJW bullshit can go fuck it's self.
Luke Scott
>but it really just seems like a different thing entirely. It's not. You pretend you have this insight into it that others lack but you really don't. Would you object to a game based on the Russo-Finnish War? You don't know anything about that history, it's an old conflict. Would you object to a game about the Boer War? Conflict is the only constant in human history and just because your ignorant poor got reamed a little harder in 1914 than other times doesn't mean it's off limits to people. They can make a game about whatever they want. Quit fabricating controversy so you can pretend to be a victim. Faggot.
Personally I remember all the rich educated people who were sent to the hedgerows in WWII, and all the Rich bankers kids and politicians who died on the rice paddies in Viet Nam. Oh wait, it was the poor uneducated who died then too. Quiet cherry picking you nancy.
Levi Jackson
wait, we didn't? I thought we covered that though.
Aiden Richardson
>WW1 came to be almost purely because of pure political incompetency and immaturity.
That's completely false, and just shows how fucking ignorant you are on the subject.
Oliver Hill
It's just a game
Jaxon Hill
Why so angry?
Adrian Brooks
Doesn't matter. It'll be a generic WW2 shooter with skins from WW1.
Owen Perry
Verdun exists but it isn't fun
Towards the end of war you got actually competent people like John Monash and then WW1 combat becomes very fluid and dynamic with tactics like the Blitzkrieg coming into play.
William Wood
Maybe it will be an alternate history thing, like Resistance?
Anthony James
What this really boils down to is that games journalism doesn't actually follow games close enough to know that this is not even close to the first game about or set in WWI. And you faggots are so latched onto their teat you didn't notice either.
Joshua Ortiz
I think the bigger controversy should be that the name of the game is GARBAGE
Jason Hughes
If you think the decisions and courses of action that started WW1 wasn't anything but foolishness, I guess that's your own retarded prerogative. I'm not going to argue a point with you which is uncontested by pretty much everybody who has at any point learned of WW1, especially if you're going to be a deflecting, butthurt faggot as you just demonstrated.
Charles Barnes
It's an anonymous image board. I've been coming here to be angry for 9 years now. You should try it.
Lincoln Ross
They were just waiting for tanks to be invented.
David Parker
its going to be the next watercooler
Ryan Howard
I prefer only occasionally being a loser, and not all the time like yourself, thank you very much.
Jeremiah Long
>thinking that Battlefield and Call of Duty don't strike the proper tone when it comes to WWI is invalid because other games were set in WWI
Julian Reyes
>WW2 had very clear and justified reasons for its outbreak and escalation.
Yes, the Treaty of Versailles was a very understandable justification.
Jaxon Martinez
If you want to go on the internet and spout simple opinions, you're entitled to that, but you really should learn about the politics of the time, before the war, not just immediately leading up to it, if you want a real idea of what lead to it.
Dylan Gonzalez
>If you think the decisions and courses of action that started WW1 wasn't anything but foolishness
Every single decision that starts an aggressive war can be seen as foolishness depending on perspective you ignorant idiot. But if you think that there wasn't a calculated effort to bring about WW1 just like WW2 and was simply a matter of political corruption, you need to pick up a book because you're clearly uneducated on the subject.
Deal with it fag.
Cooper Jones
Murder in and of itself is a controversial subject. Yet we all have no problem with it in any given video game.
Nice elaborate tl;dr, but can we fuck off with this? Literally WHO cares that it's WW1?
Jack Carter
>I dictate the proper tone when dealing with subjects that have absolutely no bearing on me, other than some imagined injury.
Dominic Diaz
Get a load of this Naziboo storm-kiddie.
Sebastian Gonzalez
Trivialize? That's silly. The war needs more exposure, especially in the US. Most people know jack about it other than "hurr durr we saved the day. back to back world war champs lol."
I mean, take pic related for example. It hit the front page of Reddit about a week ago. See? Americans don't know shit about the war.
Jacob Evans
Why do you get to say what is and isn't the proper tone? I have a relative who died in WWI and I think it's no different than any other war game.
Oliver Walker
>stop thinking a thing is tacky or in poor taste, because I said so
Jordan Edwards
>This is why events like opposing soldiers throwing/trading food to each other on opposite trenches and the Christmas truce are such major parts of WW1 remembrance.
This happened even with Nazis and Allied forces, you dumb fuck.
Blake Rodriguez
> I have a relative who died in WWI I'm sorry to hear that. Were you close?
Jackson Campbell
>tacky or in poor taste is justification enough to limit what people can and cannot make video games about
Literally kill yourself.
Thomas Walker
Was my younger brother. Taken by trench trilobites.
Connor Nelson
>So why do gamers (mostly americans) seem to have a hard time understanding why this is a controversial issue?
Because the game itself could be a thoughtful, sympathetic look on the war and might teach the generation about it.
Because the people writing articles haven't played the game and so they don't know if the game is trivializing, or glorifying, WW1.
I don't know why they went with that shitty track for the trailer, this works much, much better.
Robert Reyes
>So why do gamers (mostly americans) seem to have a hard time understanding why this is a controversial issue?
Because I remember the same types of complaints back when Wolfenstein 3D came out. There hasn't been a mainstream, AAA WWI title and right now people don't know what to make of it. No one will care a week after the game comes out.
Jonathan Turner
To be fair, thats most likely a joke about how "hurr durr they didn't have medicine in ye old times XDD" Literally one Google search shows a full-on medical kit from WW1
But holy shit how rad would it be if the revival tool was just a saw, and the revive animation was just blood spraying out
Joshua Sanchez
>No one will care a week after the game comes out.
This.
Nobody even remembers that the edgelord game Hatred even exists.
Jace Richardson
>>Battlefield 1 gets announced >>everyone discussion how fucking radical its going to be >on Sup Forums
Did your parents raise you wrong, I thought they would've told you lying is both unethical and sinful. You really shouldn't be doing that stuff.
Caleb Diaz
>The western front was the only theater in WW1 Trench warfare was only practised on a massive scale on the western front, the war was very dynamic in other theaters, especially in places like the Middle East.
Aiden Nelson
my grandfather flew planes in egypt in ww1, got shot down and shot in the head, and came back alive. I think it will be an awesome game, can't wait to friendly fire those fuckin british commanders though
Samuel Clark
We've got plenty of WW2 games and americlaps still believe they defeated Germany WW1 for Battlefield is just another setting in rotation. Because they figured out that just changing setting is enough for consumer to justify $60 purchase. Since BFBC2 they are selling same game in different settings with tweaks so minor that it's hard to believe this studio made BF2 and 2142. Nobody at DICE or EA wanted to enlighten people about WW1, they just using new setting for shock, publicity and to reskin the game Not to mention that BF became one of the most arcade shooters and it's hard to take any violence there seriously
Levi Gutierrez
>Since BFBC2 they are selling same game in different settings with tweaks so minor
You must be fucking retarded to think that BC2 and anything after that is anything close.
Isaiah Hernandez
I don't labor under a delusion that it will be good. I'm simply arguing that it's retarded to think WWI is "off limits" to games because it's a speshul war where people died.
Jacob Ramirez
>americlaps still believe they defeated Germany
Oh yeah, I remember that time Germany beat the US. In our family photo album there's a touching picture of St. Louis on fire in the background while my grandmother was escaping the Germans.
James Foster
But thats what happened tho People on Sup Forums actually like Battlefield, unlike 8gag or whatever fuckhole you came from
Eli Harris
>Nobody at DICE or EA wanted to enlighten people about WW1, they just using new setting for shock, publicity and to reskin the game
SO FUCKING WHAT
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GROW UP YOU FAGGOT
Evan Cox
>edgemaster >telling others to grow up lel
Jaxson Cook
Do you really think Americans give a fuck about ww1? We never talk about ww1. It's a very very small but loud minority of internet tough guys without lives to live
Jaxon Ward
People can be oversensitive bitches whining about century old wars all they want.
What they don't seem to understand is that freedom of press doesn't mean anyone has to pay attention or agree with them.
Brandon Martinez
It's just a game
Aiden Collins
You're literally whining about how companies *function*.
If it makes you so fucking pissy, go join a communist commune you fag.
Julian Williams
Mine was aerial surveillance, he would fly planes then hang over the side with a camera or something and take photos of trench lines. Pic related. Don't really know anything else much about what he did or even what his rank was.
Dylan Allen
I always thought ww1 was about Austrians not germans
Gabriel Scott
How about when Germany offered peace and to return all captured territory short of the Rhineland?
Jonathan Evans
I believe that not everyone shares the same opinions about the old conflicts and wars that have been fought in the past, and some countries have been desensibilized so much that they can hardly recognize violence as a bad thing at all. You heard the same complains when people started making first person shooters set in the Vietnam war, which was also a retarded complete massacre which took a lot of young lives. The same applies for the Iraqi war, the Georgian war and every single conflict that has been fought since the dawn of time. As an european, i believe that war is always hell, no matter what, and "glorification" for the mere purpose of glorification itself is always wrong, but i really don't see any issue about a game supposed to entertain or amuse a bunch of people, even if it has a questionable setting and feeling. You may be critic about why people find violence and bloodshed "amusing" and entertaining, and why is respect so much forgotten nowadays, but i tell you; this is just human nature. It takes a strong man to defy its own violent nature and realize the true good that he can possibly do.
Charles Williams
ww2 started because france and germany got in a fight over how much meters of telephone line germany owed to france in reparations germans got angry, hitler used said anger to rise to power 20 years later, ww2 started
Christopher Carter
The things you said we don't get taught are the only things I was taught. Are you even American?
Andrew Lee
nigger they make games about murrica going freedom all over the middle east but somehow making a game about a war from 100 years ago is wrong? what the fuck is wrong with people?
