Well, which is it?

Well, which is it?

In Sneak's world, war has changed in how it's fought and why. However, war in general doesn't change in the idea that it's groups of people murdering each other until one gives up or breaks down entirely. Thus, it's a matter of perspective.

Do any one the BoS members ever say "War never changes"? I don't remember them saying that line.

I guess technically the MC in F4 does when he joins up with them

I think you'd be kinda hard-pressed to find something that isn't a matter of perspective in some way.

This, honestly. In-world perspectives matter a lot with phrases that aren't strictly factual.

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Even in that, though, war has changed as far as MGS4 was concerned. The bad guys barely gave a shit about who was fighting and was more concerned about keeping people fighting each other -- for power, profit, and for war's own sake.

war is a word with a definition so of course it doesn't change you dumb kid

Both are right

The methods used in war are always changing, we've gone from sticks to swords to guns to tanks and aircraft and eventually we'll get to wars where no human troops are even involved. Even modern wars have differed a lot in strategy and technology.

But the essence behind war will never change, it has always been about power and profit and comes with all the usual associated trauma and drama

War changed with the creation of nukes and other WMD's

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The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Man has killed man from the beginning of time, and each new frontier has brought new ways and new places to die. Why should the future be different?

Col. Corazon Santiago "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"

This has acquired borderline meme status but a serious anwser is obvious to anyone that looks at the extended quotes from both games. In MGS4:
>War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed.
It's about how wars are fought.

In Fallout 1
>War. War never changes. The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower. But war never changes. In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired.

It's about motivations for war. The other Fallouts intro speeches also conform to this.

So both are "correct" in context of their worlds. One is post apocalyptic, the other is futuristic.

I'm doing a The Boss playthrough of FNV right now. What ending should I choose, Sup Forums?

War is literally always changing, with the most obvious points being the advent of total war and the proliferation of nuclear arms

>But it will always be people killing people
War can be bloodless and purely economic

>mgs4
>it'd about how wars are fought
>the first half of the quote is about the reasons behind the fighting

wars can be fought with propaganda alone nowadays

doesn't matter, as long as you completed your mission as a mailman

Snake talks about how there's no heart in war anymore.

Where everything is regulated and there are no emotions.

The more things change..
the more they stay the same

>murdering each other until one gives up or breaks down entirely
Yeah if you still practice outdated attrition warfare.
War HAS changed in favor of Manoeuvre Warfare, with special emphasis on combined arms tactics. Totally different

yes, I thought so too. That's making it hard to choose. I've never played an unarmed specialist before, and I have to say it's a lot of fun. I think I'm going to do a The Fury playthrough next.

Ron fucking Perlman being saying that for years.

no, but you've gotta have someone to represent fallout and the BoS armor is basically the symbol of the franchise.