We want you to choose gear based on ilvl for pvp rather than secondary stats...

>we want you to choose gear based on ilvl for pvp rather than secondary stats, so in pvp we choose your secondary stats for you so you won't be able to tinker to your desire

>we feel that earning pvp currency is a linear and bland experience, so now gear will be randomly given after every win you get in pvp.

>we want people to be able to the same gear for pvp and pve so there won't be anything like a change in ilvl

jesus are these guys fucking retarded? so if im a pvper i will have to suffer through a rng system were as a raider will have a much easier time getting gear that they can use to outpace pvpers. on top of that they will choose your stats for you.

us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/20131410/dev-watercooler-gearing-up-for-legion-pvp-5-23-2016

>2016
>Still playing wow

stop playing wow and move on

>One of the big changes in Legion is that gear will no longer be delivered through PvP currencies and vendors. Of course, we know a lot of players like the predictable nature of buying gear from vendors. They can select exactly the item they want and never receive an item they don’t want. It sounds like a perfect situation, but it is also an emotionally flat, predictable experience. There is no anticipation about what your reward will be. No exhilaration when you get something you want. No disappointment when you get something you don’t. We want to bring that emotional experience to PvP rewards—while still doing our best to minimize the amount of disappointment you experience.

>so if im a pvper i will have to suffer through a rng system were as a raider will have a much easier time getting gear that they can use to outpace pvpers
except PVE players already have to suffer through an RNG system to get gear, but only a weekly lockout. This sounds like it will make getting PVP gear faster.

Of course, I know Blizzard likes the predictable nature of charging my credit card the monthly subscription. They always receive the exact amount the monthly fee is and never receive less. It sounds like a perfect situation, but it is also an emotionally flat, predictable experience. There is no anticipation about how much my next payment will be. No exhilaration when they receive the monthly subscription fee in full. No disappointment when they receive lesser amount. I want to bring that emotional experience to Blizzard subscription—while still doing my best to minimize the amount of disappointment Blizzard will experience.

When Legion arrives I will coordinate a new way of payment with my credit card company. Each month, Blizzard has a chance of receiving the exact fee for the monthly subscription. There is also a small chance they will receive a titanforged version of my subscription, in the form of 3 month subscription at once. However there is also a very high chance of Blizzard receiving a very small portion, instead of the full amount of subscription and sometimes, they might even receive no subscription fee at all. In this case, they will receive one piece of hard candy, that has a very low chance of having a smiley face wrapper in it.
I spent a lot of time thinking about how to improve my monthly payment situation for World of Warcraft. I appreciate hearing Blizzard's thoughts about these changes, so be sure to send your comments straight to my shredder.

essentially their argument.

This is seriously the worst case of "out of touch" devs I've ever seen. Legion needs to fail hard, they need a wake up call

you think I'm subbed currently? fuck no. I just montior whats going on because I hope that one day wow will be great again.

I lol'd.

How do I upboat on this site? :)

srslydoethatshitwashilarious.

No you're just an idiot.

THe rng system means nothing. In legion your stats during pvp from the new templates. You raise stats from ilvl and nothing else. So you might get random peices with randm stats, which you'll have to deal with in pve, but only ilvl matters for the template boost in pvp.

It's pretty simple to understand but as usual the idiots cry about it.

If you go for pve gear first, you are limited to drops per week from raid bosses. So you're pvp ilvl will be lower.

If you go for pvp gear first you can get drops more often but the rng will prevent you from be optimized in pve.

Either way it puts you at a minor disavantage if you only do one side and then hop into the other.

Of course no one here will be able to do any better and will cry because they aren't being handed free epics with perfect stats from pvp anymore.

how is that any better?

>here is your gear with your assigned stats.
>you will play with the stats we tell you to play with and thats it.

Underrated

lol

>you will play with the stats we tell you to play with and thats it.

Because what previous pvp gear had worked properly? resilence, pvp defence/power and ilvl scaling has all flopped. Allowwing some classes to stack certian stats, while nice, also made them far too strong.

The template at least puts everything on blizzards shoulders for tweaking. So now tanks can pvp without having insane defence stats and healers won't be unkilliable unless 5 people are chain CCing them.

Is it perfect? Not likely. But it does balance out raiders getting too high ilvl from mythics vs pvpers taking a day in arena to be fully geared in heroic level raid gear.

>jesus are these guys fucking retarded?

What was your first hint?

>2016
>still playing blizzard games

Oh don't worry it will. They're removing so many abilities for classes if you're not a specific spec and they aren't offering any alternatives. I think spell reflect is completely gone for warriors too. Mages can't cast spells outside of their spec and shed tears for the once mighty rogue, for it may as well be dead.

>raiders dont deal with an RNG system

top b8 m8

Miss us yet?

No.
MoP wasn't bad, but it overstayed its welcome much more than any other expansion has.

no, the garbage LFR system from MoP is back

does gear even matter? i thought they said that it didn't matter anymore

it matters less

Spell reflect is not gone from warriors
mages can still cast out of spec spells

>i like wod lfr
m'lady

they said in the article the difference of output can be estimated with ilvl. If my ilvl is 10 higher than yours I will have a 1% higher output than you. 100 ilvl difference = 10% higher output, etc.

so it means a really really small difference.

Blizzard doesnt give a shit what you think about LFR when youre grinding gametime every minth anyways, and the nonvocal casuals get loot they want pating 15/mo.

LFR does nothing but hurt your retarded feelings. Too bad.

Power goes up by .01% per ilvl from 800

And fuck over other content. Why do professions, reputations, dungeons, etc. when LFR gear is faster, easier and stronger

kill yourself

WoD LFR is shit since its still above heroic dungeon ilvl. It needed to be 620 from Highmaul to 645 HFC

Legion beta general seems to say otherwise on spell reflect. If it's prot exclusive then that's even worse because prot warriors make the least use of it. And being able to cast polymorph still does not count as being able to cast spells outside of your spec.

i thought power was mostly dependent on the stats the gear itself gave you and how well your spec scales with it? or did they remove things like haste and crit too

Blizzard controls what the stats on the gear are retard

they may as well not even have gear if thats the only difference. you would have to be a couple seasons behind to notice any gap in power.

top ladder arena players will only 1-3% difference between honor bg players

>And fuck over other content.

Bullshit. Raid gear was always better than everything else. Youre just mad nonNEETs can get it in LFR so youre throwing a tantrum like the manchild you are

>kill yourself
after you

All gear in pvp is scaled to 800ilvl in PvP
every ilvl above 800 makes buffs your pvp specific stats by .01% yes there is still Haste and Crit
Spell reflect is a PvP talent

read the other posts or the article m8. blizzard said they want you to choose your gear based on ilvl, not stats. you won't be able to choose if you want more haste and to sacrifice crit strike.

they will choose how much haste and crit you get based on your spec and your ilvl.

i understand that. however, how do they know what % of haste or crit or whatever matters more to certain classes over others? say an enhance shaman scales really well with haste, but most of their gear is given crit or something. and say frost mages scale better with haste as well, but they get more haste in their gear, thus scaling better.

this is purely talking from a pve damage standpoint too, god forbid the mental gymnastics they'll have to do to balance pvp from what they've done to it

>raid gear
LFR is not raiding you fucking mongoloid, challenge dungeon gear should be above it and it wont be if LFR has set bonuses
>you cant raid if you have a life meme
fuck off

>pvp talent
All the same, there's no point in stripping classes of 50% of their abilities and restricting them to a spec/pvp talents or making them into passives. All the shit my warrior knew how to do in wrath he just straight up forgot it I guess.

i agree it should go
>Normal dungeon
>LFR
>Heroic Dungeons
>Normal Raid
>Challenge Dungeons
>Heroic Raid
>Mythic Raid

>Looking for RAID
>not raiding

You've lost, pham. Go to sleep. permanently

2016

you said it was removed from game, it's not. now you are moving the goal post

If you are going to hate a game At least hate it on facts and not lies you tell yourself

T. A person who hates Current wow

He's talking about it being a braindead waltz through an instance, not about it not being considered a raid.

>Looking for
keep looking, nothing in LFR feels like a raid

now thats not true, LFR feels like a Zerg raid

Challenge dungeons were always meant as side tangent content. Now youre just deluding yourself and crying that casuals don't have to clear an accessibility gate forcing them to tolerate insufferable cunts like you. I'm glad for them.

PvP talents are gone for PvErs, so as a warrior in PvE I cant spell reflect anymore

same goes for Cyclone

it's a raid in the way that microwave meals are cooking

>defending casuals polluting the game
neo-Sup Forums is real
>challenge dungeons were meant as side content
no, in legion they were stated to be a small group alternative to raiding. If their gear is outclassed by fucking LFR of all things then its a failure of design

You're already playing with the stats you are indirectly given, because certain stats are better than others depending on spec.

there has never been one instance in any raid that a warrior needed to spell reflect
and i dare you to name me 5 ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY instances that he needed to in a raid interment

Is it just the stats being randomised

Or will it actually be possible to have one or two slots left for upgrades that just never get them for weeks due to RNG

Cyclone has never been the Best PvE pick for raiding Ever.
Cyclone has Always been a pick in PvP

>need to
I dont need to use my toolkit ever, somebody else can carry me

I want to, because I want to be a good player

My entire beef was them removing abilities and up until now, I was lead to believe spell reflect was gone. They are still stripping that ability from PvE and while it wasn't quite as useful there, it did have its uses. There a shit load of skills that were niche and having them there allows the game to be more complex than just autoattacking or slinging 1 spell til you get a proc and casting aoe when there's a 2nd enemy.

>defending ability pruning

The more and more I hear about Legion and WoW's current state the happier I am that I managed to break the addiction. Thank you Blizzard for making Cata so bad that I'm don't get to see these changes ingame

who gives a shit about PvP?
pvpers are the scum of the fucking earth
>garrisons 2.0
fuck blizzard though

Only reason I came back was because I got MoP and Draenor for free. I subbed for one month and it has been a week and a half and I'm already bored.

Reliquary of Souls.

well of course, this fucking patch is a year old (jesus christ), everyone's fucking done with it

I got the itch to play again. Haven't touched WoW since mid cata. Conflicted with my increasing disappointment of WoD and legion.

he said he just came back retard

the fact that you can feel done in a week and a half is depressing

I'm not defending it
I'm just getting mad at people not saying that they are just combining abilities or moving them to where they are used in and instead out right saying they removed it completely.

>moving them to where they are used

EVERY ABILITY IN THIS GAME HAS A USE OUTSIDE OF PVP KILL YOURSELF

well, good thing I don#t play pvp.

"done" is relative in this case, he hasn't done any mythic raiding
but still, it's going to be boring when there's no one else to play the fucking game with, it's an MMO

don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the game, just pointing out that blizzard has effectively been jerking off for a year

I said feel done

and when you clear an instance you feel like you finished it, multiple difficulties dont change that feeling

yeah, the difficulty tiers is fucking stupid, I agree, LFR is cancer

the normal heroic split is also pretty aids

Just go back to normal and heroic. normal is flexible, heroic is static size.

I dont need to run the raid on 3 difficulties before real progression. FUck that

>Playing PVP seriously

Why? I remember it being a fun activity in vanilla that you did on the side. Fucking tryhards

I like how Blizzard have determined the most efficient methods possible to get people addicted to this shit. They'll be adding gear cases to the game soon enough.

fuck you

and yea, competitive minigamers are fucking retarded. "wahh character progression shouldnt matter in an RPG because muh arena"

I'm hoping for straight up artifact boosts, so you don't have to grind in your new garrison to level it up.

>determined
They're determined to fuck up if they really believe this is an efficient method. They actually think their movie is going to bring in subs when a quick google search will show the movie has almost nothing in common with the game aside from the name. Plus they planned to make sequels. If they start selling gear for $ then it's all over.

I'm a competitive minigamer and I think the best PvP gear in the game should come from raids. Not everyone is retarded like you or that one guy you know.

Yeah no. They've been nerfing skills in pvp for years. Skills like the reflect totem and sheild work on nothing nowadays.

Disarms were nerfed in pve real quick since it made bosses hit for nothing.

You never needed threat reductions after vaniilla since they kept boosting tank threat. They've been making more and more trash immune to various CC.

Honetly you're an idiot to think every single skill had a use.

drones at this point are too cucked to care

>its not LITERALLY best in slot so why do you care
>why does it bother you if I can buy full heroic gear? its my character and my money

I'm in the legion beta ask me anything famalam

Why can you get in but i can't

how is dk looking
specifically blood and unholy

>Abilities had uses
>Until they removed those uses
>Therefore it's ok for them to remove abilities and their uses

>got legion alpha/beta months ago
>haven't played it once
>mfw I see someone complaining about wanting to play it and not getting in

Reflecting glyph grounding totem is one of the strongest things in WoD CMs right now.

stop posting if you dont know what you are talking about

I dont have an issue with where the gear comes from, its not like Glad level rating is easy to reach (harder than mythic if they keep doing valor upgrades to boost guilds through progression)

But the fucking autism of everybody must be 100% equal gear wise in an RPG pisses me off. It doesnt need to be a huge gap but if I pour time into my character it needs to feel stronger

Does arcane blast still have the worst animation in game?

Thats how Blizzard justifies it :^)

Are class halls really as bad as they look, or is the "garrisons 3.0" paranoia just that?

...

Wait...I thought they were removing pvp gear entirely and switching to a similar system to the original guild wars?

Unholy is pretty dope. Frost I think still is better and dumber to play which is quite sad. Although according to Preacers latest video Unholy is a better choice for min/maxing and getting the most out of it. Blood no idea but fucking broken atm in PvP (OP).

Class halls are pretty cool, but that initial feel wares off fast. it's literally just a place you go to so you can feed Artifact power to your weapon for extra talents, and to do garrison 2.0 shit. I'm not kidding.

No idea

All gear is scaled to 800 ilvl in pvp
and every ilvl above 800 gives your pvp Specific stats a .01% buff

Unholy still looks pretty boring desu

>do garrison 2.0 shit.
I'm really, really curious why Blizzard's so intent on doubling down on features people have had major issue with.

>mfw windwalker monk changes

They think they know better and then wonder why people quit the game in droves

>why does it bother you if I can buy full heroic gear? its my character and my money
Yes, but that's a fair point. I'd rather shell out ten bucks than have to grind for apexis 2.0 just to be able to participate in the latest raid tier. Do you really not think dailies are absolute cancer? They require no skill whatsoever and just serve as a time sink to make sure neck beards can still feel 'elite' because the latest raid is arbitrarily gated by item level.

Personally, I don't pay for this sort of shit - ever. However, the best option would be for everything to potentially be for sale for gold on the auction house. Part of the reason why EVE has such a healthy and complex economy is because you can sell anything. WoW would benefit from the EVE system now that there's a much higher gold cap, and the autist tears would be delicious.

They do know better in some regards. The recent changes they made to talent swapping in the beta and the flying mount situation in WoD shows that. The remaining """community""" pushes back so violently any time Blizzard tries to make these changes and bring WoW back to where it belongs though. When Blizzard is right, end up capitulating to the crybabies. When Blizzard is wrong, they just ignore feedback and continue to steer the game deeper into the ditch.

>install RP addon
>take a tour through Moon Guard Goldshire
>inspect people and read their RP profiles

Hope you like Sub Rogues in legion famalam

Master of Subtlety: Basically permanent 10% extra damage

Nightstalker: Stealth or Shadow Dance stealthed = 15% more damage

Deeper Stratagem: 6 Combo points and finishers do 20% more damage

Prey on the Weak: Enemies blimded, sapped, kidney shoted or cheap shoted take 10% more damage from all sources

Premeditation: Cheap Shot / Shadow Strike give an extra combo point

DFA: Ultimate Attack. Can deal between 800,000 - 1,300,000 damage (50-80% of a players health)

GG NO RE

>neoWoW's target audience

Who the fuck PvPs in WoW? It's probably the shittiest fucking player versus player I have ever witnessed.
Jesus your standards are below abysmal