Will there ever be a modern game which does ideology and politics as good as Alpha Centauri?

Will there ever be a modern game which does ideology and politics as good as Alpha Centauri?

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No
>I find politics offensive and will buycott your game

No. That kind of thing requires work which costs money and cuts into the bottom line.

Nope.

>eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate, have a think about life and the human condition

sorely under-represented genre.

>hiring decent writers for modern videogames
Nope.

No, the liberals and cucks will complain that the man is not a woman, and the alt right meme spouting virgins will complain a human is not a white man.

Devs will only release, safe, commitee approved shit. Which generally is more liked by left leaning people, and is the smarter thing to do financially.

Pretty sure also not disarming your population is a pretty good safe guard against tyranny too

Keep forgetting he even exists.

Fuck Beyond Earth, I just want a faithful HD Alpha Centauri remake

Dunno. Some of this shit gets me right in the feels.

It's amazing that Beyond Earth basically went backwards from Civ 5 in terms of leaders having any personality to them, especially when AC nailed it so hard

I have it but have never played it or any game like it. Should I?

>252 page manual

>games used to be redpilled
>they never will be again

Its UI aged terribly. It's really hard to play when you are used to modern games. Other than that it's probably still the best 4x game around. No other game in this genre managed to incorporate story into game this well.

Sadly no. Which is weird when you consider 4X games almost always have some throwaway filler stories and "lore" someone scribbled on a napkin just so they can fluff the interface with something. SMAC had some actual genuine thought put into its setting and writing.

Damn, a medieval game talking about how bad war is...I thought they loved war.

>No, the liberals and cucks will complain that the man is not a woman,

Which is ironic, since not only is the gender balance 4-3 among the faction leaders, 6-6 if you include the expansion, but you can literally type in your chosen gender for the faction leader you play as.

I think BE was just a canned Civ5 expansion they then decided to re-purpose and give independent release.

>redpilled

They said that they struggled to flesh out the factions they didn't agree with.

Today making your opponent anything but a caricature fit for MS-Paint comic would be unthinkable.

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But they still made them and made them well. Well enough to believe as actual leaders and sometimes right.

>play smug scandi pirates
>nuke capitals like it ain't shit
>sealevels rise
>more sea to expand on
ayy

The problem is there is no hardlocking affinities to certain factions. A part of SMAC's appeal is almost every faction has something they would never believe in like Lal for Police State, or asking Domai to go Green

>expansion factions

DELETE THIS

B-but that's limiting your play style, user. After all everything has to be accessible and doable to a point of blandness and homogeneity these days.

>Richard Baxton piloted his Recon Rover into a fungal vortex and held off four waves of mind worms, saving an entire colony. We immediately purchased his identity manifests and repackaged him into the Recon Rover Rick character with a multi-tiered media campaign: televids, touchbooks, holos, psi-tours-- the works. People need heroes. They don't need to know how he died clawing his eyes out, screaming for mercy. The real story would just hurt sales, and dampen the spirits of our customers.

youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ZcdO5fe8By the end of the game's storyline, the fundamentalist Christian turned out to be one of the most sane leaders. The same goes for the capitalist. Modern-day Leftists would kill themselves before writing this.

Well you can't design a good faction without that, and there is always the "Disable limitations" option.

What's the matter? Can't handle strong hacker who don't need no firewall?

eXperience

The idea of putting leaders like Morgan, Yang and Miriam in a game nowadays and not having them as a mustache twirling villains feels like it would never happen nowadays.

That's one of the things I like about AC, there are no good guys or bad guys, every faction has points to like about them, but are also hugely flawed, even the ones we sympathize with from a modern day perspective

Well I've never played 4x so Im not used to modern UIs for them

what is nerve stapling

Rape.

Mind rape*

Want the great atmosphere, quality, writing, gameplay of old games.
Want newer graphics and slightly more easy UI to get around.
No such game.
It's either bland casual shit.
Or good quality games that are hard to get into because of they are outdated.

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Nerve induction rig. Basically the controller of the system can make you feel what they want, so they can inflict unimaginable levels of pain on an individual.

Yang along with Cha Dawn are the only factions in the GURPs game that don't have a sympathetic side. Along with progenitors

Remember the Virtual World Wonder? That is the Nerve Stapler.

>Some civilian workers got in among the research patients today and became so hysterical I felt compelled to have them nerve stapled. The consequence, of course, will be another public relations nightmare, but I was severely shaken by the extent of their revulsion towards a project so vital to our survival.

You can tell someone like him would today just be a villain.

It's an option in the game which stops Drone Riots.

Drones are the lower-educated, working class members of your society.

It's some type of surgical procedure (not elaborated on), that makes people easier to control.

Since it subdues rioting, it's implied to mentally limit people it's applied to. I imagine it as people being forcibly rendered dull, lifeless, unmotivated, etc. It's fair that the other factions treat this as a crime against humanity.

COME AT ME FAGGOT

oh man i missed a trick

SMAC is a 5x

...

What if someone makes a "European portaits only" mod?
What if someone wants to use slavery to benefit his people, and take control of his national currency?
Oh god what if someone wants to be HITLER?
No. Just no, I can't even.

The feelings of communist subverters, and their right to ban any dissent, is far more important than your """Prosperity""" or your "Free flow of information""" or your """Safeguards against Tyranny""".
Shitlord! Communism IS Prosperity! Free flow of information that clashes with communist information isn't free flow of information at all! And Tyranny only applies to the enemies of Communism you bigot. It's 2016, my god.

#ghostbusters #beyondearth #stellaris #whitesupremacy #notokay #undertail

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Page 89.

I'd totally buy a copy of sister Miriam's "We must dissent".

Maybe it's because I'm a naive idealist like Lal, but this is probably my favorite line from any videogame.

Considering Firaxis themselves censored Liberty Leading the People in their Civ VI trailer I'd say its especially poignant.

The first living thing to go through the device was a small white rat. I still have him, in fact. As you can see, the damage was not so great as they say.

Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "See How They Run"

Actually come to think of it why ARE people cultural marxists anyway?
Usually people do things for personal benefit.
I could see fags supporting gay marriage, unlovable women supporting no-fault divorce + feminism, and lazy people supporting welfare.
But why are men supporting just giving away jobs+respect to women, instead of wanting the women to do stuff to benefit the men?
Why are white people wanting to flood their own countries with niggers and mudslimes, bringing up the crimerate?
Why do heterosexuals support marriage being changed to suit someone else?
They aren't getting anying in return for their support. They're just sort of ... supporting self-destructive things for its own sake.
I'd think it was some kind of doomsday cult, but doomsday cults rarely get this big.

I mean yes I obviously see why Jews support this stuff. If people act in their own self-interest they'll kick out the private banks and the corporate lawyers, and spread unflattering information that'd reduce our ability to deceive.
But why does the average person support their own extinction?

Nowadays, you're lucky if the manual is anything more than the epilepsy and warranty notices.

The average person hopes to make the world a better place. A lot of them aren't the cynical fucks that make up Sup Forums.

>The average person hopes to make the world a better place
A world full of violent crime, where the artists and scientists are going extinct due to low birthrate, and being stuck in debt is inherent to the system, is a better place?

It's a weltanschauung and I suspect that most people subscribe to it, simply because its fundamental tenets feel good to believe. The belief in "equality" between everybody, that people are completely malleable (tabula rasa), that society is bad and man is good (hence, to exterminate evil we have to destroy society and rebuild it), that there's no such thing as objectivity, and so on and so forth.

All this shit feels good to believe in, because no one likes the fact that sub-saharan africans haven't invented anything remarkable since the dawn of civilisation, due to an average IQ of 60-85, depending on haplogroup, or that mankind is a sexually dimorphic species and women aren't weaker because of "gender roles", but their genetic makeup.

You exaggerate how well AC did it.

>Usually people do things for personal benefit.

Perhaps what you're doing is projecting your own personal struggles on the conspiratorial machinations of outsiders (minorities, Jews, gays) rather than be forced to accept that your own litany of failures result from your own widespread array of personal deficiencies.

>Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"
There are many moments where I thought that Morgan was worse than Yang. Yang was at least honest about being a dictator while Morgan proposes the exact same philosophy that destroyed Earth.

Like I said they're not cynical so people think everything will be hunky-dory. There's people out there that think you can vote in socialism instead of it needing a revolution to tear down the state.

Conspiracy is usually for someone's benefit (at someone else's loss).
I see the loss.
Where is the benefit?

>A world full of violent crime

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Probably not. The age of the mature gamer is over. Most developers in the 90s were educated thinking individuals who made games for people like themselves, i.e. not lowest common denominator babby drones. These days big business loves the common babbydrone because they give their $69.99 away like its candy.

They believe it is good for everyone involved.

Also I suppose I do have my own failures but I don't see how outsiders were involved in them. If outsiders are involved, then that isn't my own failure, that's someone else being a dick butt.

some people have a rare trait known as "empathy", which makes them willing to give up small portions of their self-interest in exchange for the greater benefit of others.

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That's why he's such a good villain though. The best ones aren't the ones that are batshit insane just killing people for no reason. The best villains are the ones who stick to a solid ideology and actually believe they are doing the right thing. "Fuck the world yeah chaos" is not a solid ideology.

But feeling super stoked about themselves is just fulfilling their self-interest.

Well, if you actually believed in Capitalism, you'd know.

Once of the central tenets of the capitalist system is that capitalism is NOT a zero sum game. In other words, you can make a dollar without having to take a dollar from others. It's one of the beauties of the system and why it's worked so well for so long.

Making underclasses wealthier and more educated only fuels consumer spending, making everyone richer as a whole.

Which is why monopolists and corporate oligarchs are not true capitalists.

Yes I am aware I accidentally put in an expansion faction. I am sorry.

>And when at last it is time for the transition from megacorporation to planetary government, from entrepreneur to emperor, it is then that the true genius of our strategy shall become apparent, for energy is the lifeblood of this society and when the chips are down he who controls the energy supply controls Planet. In former times the energy monopoly was called "The Power Company"; we intend to give this name an entirely new meaning.
-CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Centauri Monopoly"
Morgan is best villain (in the original).

Yes but where is the greater benefit?

I see.
Thank you.

Huh, that's kind of strange tho. So they don't have closer loyalty to their own kind, because they see all of humanity as "their own kind"?
Wonder how that works.
Most human beings will get into a fight over favourite sports team or whether story is important.

>There's people out there that think you can vote in socialism instead of it needing a revolution to tear down the state.
If the state is the people then what does revolution tear down?

Why do I have a boner?

Why do I want to fuck war widows?

Why do I want the now disproportionatley female population to PAY THE PRICE FOR OUR GLORIOUS NATION with their bodies?

That isn't really true outside of ideology today though. Any company that does not exploit the vulnerable in some way will inevitably face pressure from shareholders to do so, and the company cannot really justify not doing so either, because they are flat out damaging their bottom line which is what ultimately matters.

Companies without shareholders can afford to go for these semi-experimental approaches, but most aren't like that, and those are the ones that actually matter.

People don't like it but the only practical way to control exploitation by large corporations is through law. Without out that the corporations that do show some sense of social duty will be pushed out of business by the inevitably more successful pragmatic ones.

Marxists are the worst human beings that have ever walked the earth. Go to hell, cunt.

It doesn't

Multiculturalism has been proven time after time to be awful.

But it does make people easier to control...

Nash Equilibrium.

Cooperation is more profitable for all involved than competition, but human being are programmed to compete because they're afraid of being a sucker.

In other words, you're so afraid of minorities coming to take your job that you fail to realize that if minorities become effective citizens and consumers, there will be more jobs for everyone.

Wait, you think Yang and Miriam were the villains, not Lal and Deirdre?

Yes, gameplay wise, Yang and Miriam are the villains. Story wise though it's VERY MUCH Lal at the top.

Maybe more jobs for China.

This has always been a serious fallacy and is not a serious argument against altruism. The fact that some side benefit *may* exist for the altruistic person from their actions from acting nice does not mean that that particular benefit was the cause of their action rather than an altruistic or deontological motive and until you can prove that your point is completely meaningless

Alpha Centauri was the game solely responsible for disillusioning me about the future.

I consider it one of the best games of all time.

It belongs in a museum, far more than fucking Doom or Mario do.

>Usually people do things for personal benefit.

This shows how emotionally stunted you must be, from the rest of your post it seems that Sup Forums mindbroke you anyway so there isn't anything that can be done.

>If the state is the people
Which it rarely is. It's an elite cadre climbing over a pile of humanity trying to reach the peak for the sheer sake of being on top. Revolutions are the way people at the bottom try get to the top while justifying their actions to themselves.

Pretty big "if," user.

Imagine how much better the U.S would be if Abraham Lincoln lived long enough to deport all the worthless blacks.

well written games exist, you have to actually look for them though

Wouldn't that same argument apply to literally any conceivable cause you want to pretend exists?

The alternative to personal benefit is not a sustainable choice.

yeah sure dude, I'm an indie dev I'll do it how hard could it be?

I don't understand, could you elaborate?

Even if what you say is true though, the claim that altruistic people get a benefit from their altruism is not an argument against the fact that people can act altruistically, at least in itself.

MIRIAM WAS RIGHT
MIRIAM WAS RIGHT
MIRIAM WAS RIGHT
MIRIAM WAS

They were all right in some shape or form. Probably because they were extrapolated from then current ideas and movements, and actual effort was put into faction designs.

the lack of faction assymetricality really ruined it for me, endless legend may have been a piece of shit but that was one thing it nailed, every faction feels unique and different

I disagree.

The worst human beings to walk the earth are women over the age of 35 who have 0 children.

>modern video game writers are hired specifically to be writers rather than having the writing be done by game staff
>it's still shit

You misread me, I'm saying Yang and Miriam would be clearcut villains if it was made nowadays, not that they were in the original

Useful idiots, you whisper sweet sweet lies in their ears during the critical point in educational developments, praise them and tell them how intelligent they are while showing them the photoshoped greener grass on the other side of the wall and once that wall is down and they discover everything they were promised is a lie it's too late and they get removed before they can form a counter movement.

Pravin Lal was full of shit when he said access to information was the only safeguard against tyranny.

Hello?? Armed populace??

We have near unlimited access to information today but I would say if you're living in Europe or NA you are living under tyranny. I heard in Poland for example you actually need to go apply for a license to chop down any tree on your own land and it has to meet strict requirements. You call that freedom?

Access to information is currently near unlimited, but there is so much of it no one really cares and truth is drowned out or not sought out.

Pravin should have said an armed populace is the last defense against tyranny if he wanted to be speaking truth.