So this is Solaire right?

So this is Solaire right?

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No, this is.

That actually sounds semi-reasonable.
The Sunlight Maggot just grew to be goddamn huge.

no, it's a sandworm that fell into the smouldering lake, one of the bug pellets tells you this.

Solaire is in the game though, he's part of the soul of cinder

Sola ire fucking dies in dark souls 1 and so does ornstein.

Ornsteins just an illusion in ds1

>was it autism?

No, it is yet another rehash from DeS tied in lazily with the shittiest area in the DaS series.

>everything in the game MUST be related to something we already know
reminder that every character in the game is Ornstein. Yes, even the main character. And the firekeeper, she is also Ornstein.

then how does smough absorb his powers?

Can someone explain to me what this is about?

It wasnt an illusion, it was a hologram. Those things are powerful.

Dark Souls character called Solaire gets killed by a maggot. Dark Souls 3 has a big worm in it that shoots lightning (Solaire's trademark)

your gay

fanfiction

Could be explained by the illusion's power transferring over to him, motivation after seeing his comrade die, or that he always had that power (he was a knight of gwyn, knight who fought dragons...). Ornstein's an illusion though, through item descriptions or some shit.

maggots don't turn into worms

but a lot of characters shot lightning.

So the path where you save him is not canon? That sucks

You did.

it's ornstein you twat

no, this is

Indeed, that's why it's not real

This is fanfiction like that other user said, there's no way this is actually Solaire

Yup, creator already said that saving him is non canon.

Solaire either gets driven insane by sunlight maggots, or if you jump through the hoops to keep him alive then he makes it to the Kiln of the First Flame. He's either dead, or he's dead (but sort of alive, a facet of the Soul of Cinder). Solaire becoming a worm makes literally no sense. You might was well say that Gwyn is the worm because both shoot lightning.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

>Solaire becoming a worm makes literally no sense.
I first read that as "Solaire becoming a woman."

But sometimes a cigar is a huge penis, right?

>Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
if you actually payed attention to Dark Souls Lore you would know that Ornstein is a cigar

Nah, read the items in the game.
It's just a sandworm alla Dune, from the desert that got stuck into Izalith and grew out of proportion.

yes

What is she doing?

its some monster the nothing personell skellies chased down there

No, because that actually makes sense.
Remember, magic sex change coffin

With all the timeline fuckery going on, can't both be canon?

soul of cinder uses sunlight spear though. Solaire only uses lightning spear

post the hips one

there's a hips one?

>Solaire becoming a worm makes literally no sense
He's meaning the Sunlight Maggot that got his wheaties from Solaire became the worm

Dark Souls 2 is barely canon

Who knows, maybe both outcomes are simultaneously canon because time is convoluted :^)

Miyazaki has probably forgotten all about Solaire's "canon" ending at this point, and he'd probably cave in to fancanon peer pressure if someone asked him about it nowadays.

>Dark Souls lore thread

You best believe there's a hips one user

Solaire already showed up in the comic along with his phantoms, though.

>Angry sun!

There's literally nothing in common between the giant worm and the sunlight maggots other than "gross insect" and "lol LIGHTNING". Sunlight maggots don't even look like worms, they have legs!

There just isn't enough evidence to make a reasonable assertion. There's no evidence at all.

NEVER EVER

I just realized he's not even wearing the iron bracelets.

Fuck me I never noticed the sun was angry.
That comic was so weird. Like the author had absolutely no idea what dark souls was and was only handed a few concept art images and a vague overview of the plot.

I figure the illusion was made from gwyndolins Magic and the magic simply transferred over to smough. I know you can get a soul for ornstein if you kill him last buy I think cu canonically kills smough last and got his soul. However if ornstein was real and that previous statement is true you could reason that ornsteins soul escaped and regenerates elsewhere where as smoughs is collected by cu and thus being unable to generate b

>Le time is convoluted ruins any possibility for a concrete lore so everyone just makes up dumb OC fanfiction

Fuck open to interpretation stories, I like it when the storytellers have an actual vision.

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Its actually not too crazy. both are in izalith. Both are insects and both are related to lighting,

That said I like to think that solaire kindled the flame in his world becoming sublime bone dust in ds2, which upgrades your estus. Like he's still helping out undead long after he's gone.

Sunlight maggot seems to be a larvae stage as opposed to a full grown insect. The top of the worm has similar legs like the maggot as well as the glowing aspect. It might not be solaire but it very well could be the full grown sunlight maggot. The lightning could be its own thing a trait carried over from its infected host considering solaire had a lightning bolt attack.

God Emperer Solaire!

>ds2

if you think that you dont read any of the item descriptions or have any observing skills at all

sorry should have said undead bone shard in ds3

Ornstein in Anor Londo was an illusion... the real one went behind his master Sen better known as Nameless King. That's why you get his armor after killing him.

damn soleros are tasty

You get souls even if the silver knights are illusions. Safe to assume illusion Ornstein isn't as strong as the real deal but still powerful. DaS3 seems to imply he was leagues above the other knights but much more of an ass.

What makes you think nameless King is Sen.? Wouldn't the fact that his name was removed from history also remove it from the fortress?

Solaire is Ornstein, stupid.

One thing this thread made me think about, regarding the whole Ornstein and Smough illusion stuff is that it seems that most of the illusions in Anor Londo, of they are indeed illusions, are a little more complicated than I think the word "illusion" lets on. It seems like the silver knights and giant dads aren't illusions in the same way Gwynevere is. It seems like they're more like golems or something, suits of armor animated by souls. Sorcery is the manipulation of souls, after all and when you kill them they do drop souls and their equipment.
Souls in the the Dark Souls universe, at the very least, appear to be able to be splintered, especially if a soul is particularly powerful. Perhaps Ornstein left Gwyndolin a fragment of his soul and using that, he created the illusion of Ornstein?
I mean, at the end of the day, it seems likely that the devs wanted to reexplore Anor Londo and throw some mysteries into the mix. Miyazaki himself said he enjoyed reading theories and making adjustments on his own mindset based on them, so who knows?

>The Nameless King is Sen
Citation needed

man these are so good
fuck now I want one

>motivation after seeing his comrade die
do you have any fucking idea what kind of person smough is?

There are snake humanoids all over the place just like in Sen's Fortress

People have asked him.
He just opted to not say anything except for "I always imagined in my mind that if Solaire is saved he goes on to link the fire in his own world".

Pretty sure Sen's Fortress is a mistranslation, so there's no Sen to begin with.

this meme is unfunny and needs to stop

Did you happen to read "barely" in my sentence?
They aknowledge Vendrick and a few more things, that's it.

Oh shit waddup

Sen doesn't fit Gwyn's family naming scheme.

No, this is Solaire.

This retcon will never not make me laugh.

Who is Ariamis then? The painter or the world?

>Seventh son of a seventh sun

The painter, I believe. The painted guardian set makes reference to the paintings of Ariamis, rather than just the singular painted world.

>Pretty sure Sen's Fortress is a mistranslation
This is a meme perpetuated by retards who don't actually know Japanese. The Japanese version of Sen's Fortress uses katakana セン which means it's most likely a proper noun (name). Some idiots think the "sen" means Japanese word for "thousand", but if that were the case they would most likely have used the kanji 千 instead.

What's even more weird is the DaS 3 version, there are knight with black goo and they leave bodies around. How in the fuck did Aldrich do that? It's completly different from what the powers he absorbed would imply, is he doing some sort of necromancy?

Those are dragon humans, not snakes.

The snakes are from Seathe and the other ones are dragons

I'm basing this pretty much on just the vibe I get so take everything with a grain of salt, but I kind of think Irithyll was a city made by worshippers of Gwyndolin or something. On the armor you get from the pontiff knights and witches, you learn that they used to be holy knights that were corrupted by the profaned flame. I forget what item says this, but there's also an item mentioning Sulavyn becoming the pontiff of the Darkmoon blades.
The look of the pontiff knights, the moonlit nature of Irithyll, the ghosts of Sullavyn wandering the city and what little we know, plus the connection to Anor Londo (the literal connection, as a matter of fact), paired with Gwyndolin having moved into the actual cathedral makes me thing that maybe after the first flame was linked he started using his status as the last god in Anor Londo to start building up a following of his own. Sullavyn took advantage of Gwyndolin's illness and became the pontiff and brought ruin to Irithyll. Or something, I don't know. Irithyll and the profaned flame still kind of make me scratch my head. What is the profaned flame, exactly?

Aldrich isn't necessarily related to the "Pus of man", ( the goo things).

So, I thought this about Seathe, Gwyn had just lost a son and was mad as fuck, so that's why besides a part of his soul he gave the dragon his title, his daughter if you belive the priscilla theory and a way to research crystal, all this seeing him as the son he never had.

Its ornstein without armour

Daily reminder that if the Nameless King had been wearing his armor you would've been fucked.

so?
pyro SoC is obvs a different undead than spear SoC, gwyn form is just the end

This.

someone post the parody picture of that wikihow article saying to attack the intruder with a shotgun but in this parody pic there are tons of of the guys with scissors. You know the one.

That would have been cool, but unfortunately it's just some bug; it would have made sense too, being so close to Izalith.

i thought that he kills gwyn in his world though?

It really was awful, but some of the lore is good/acceptable.

I'm pissed that we couldn't get his armor

But nameless didn't have a pilgrim backup

I don't think that's actually the nameless king's set:

>sacred oath

>This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them both.

Firstborn - Nameless
First Knight - Ornstein
Faithful - Owner of the Dragonslayer Armour

I think this is why you find the sunlight altar really close to the dragonslayer armour.

Knowing that Oceiros had ties to Archdragon Peak, I would imagine, that he also had involvement with ornstein and the dragonslayer armour guy, they were probably knights sent over when and if Gwynevere was made queen.

In my headcannon that's what happenned, Chosen Undead didn't do it, Solaire did, but after Linking the Fire, CU was blasted off and killed only to be revivied in Dark Souls 3 and become the Unkindled since he "failed" at linking the Fire despite being the Chosen one.

I bet we wouldn't get the red plume anyway.

Oh, and to ruin your day further:
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I wanna fuck that invader

You call it cut content. We call it DLC. :^)

I've already seen this and I still don't get why the fuck they cut out the pyromancy upgrades