Why does no one ever talk about her?

Why does no one ever talk about her?
I enjoy using her, but I think she is a low tier character that needs some adjustments

>Same HP as widowmaker, despite having a fully mechanized suit
>Rocket splash damage is shit
>Require at least 2 direct hits on most classes to even kill them
>Knockback skill almost entirely useless, and only good for knocking people off the map [rarely]
>Her ult is a death sentence, and requires a few seconds of focus fire to kill most people, despite half the cast having near instant damage abilities.

What the fuck? Why did they nerf her so hard from the beta?

Other urls found in this thread:

overwatch.gamepedia.com/Armor
engadget.com/2016/05/25/overwatch-adding-ranked-play-next-month/
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

the answer is ALWAYS going to be 'because of esports'

really good players were getting a better than 50% success rate with her, so she got nerfed, in spite of this making her below average to the vast majority of players

why do you think demigods like lucio are still going strong, almost totally unnerfed? Because lucio is only amazing in the hands of bad or average players

>>Same HP as widowmaker, despite having a fully mechanized suit
That's a design choice. Naked or mech suit, they changed her HP for gameplay not plot.
>>Rocket splash damage is shit
Aim better.
>>Require at least 2 direct hits on most classes to even kill them
Which you can fire in under a second.
>>Knockback skill almost entirely useless, and only good for knocking people off the map [rarely]
Duh.
>>Her ult is a death sentence, and requires a few seconds of focus fire to kill most people, despite half the cast having near instant damage abilities.
Stop jumping into the middle of a group of people who focus you. It's a projectile. Fire it around corners.

So why do I see widowmaker not getting any sort of nerf despite people snap shooting with her and killing entire teams?

The unlimited ammo, mobility, and how quickly it charges, she can body shot most people to death fast. She's quite literally the only character who cannot be countered by anyone but herself.

>Because lucio is only amazing in the hands of bad or average players
He's number one in esports right now though.

>Why does no one ever talk about her?
Other offensive characters are more interesting and popular and she is not waifu enough for waifulords

There's a thread going on just about her. Use the fucking catalog.

They don't need to make such an exposed character that fragile, plain and simple.

I am aiming "better" doesnt make it any better for a lot of engagements.

No, there's a second delay on each rocket.

SHe has a useless skill whereas literally every other class has something worthwhile.

I am, you retarded fuck, it still leaves you entirely exposed and does shit damage. Every other ult except mcree lets you move while you use it. However, mcree is hitscan and I need to be close to blast someone. You probably fucking suck as Pharah.

there's no question that he's #1 on the tier lists

but its obvious that his win rate is somehow not above 50% compared to Mercy or Zen at the highest level of play

yes this is conjecture, but why else would this guy still be in the state he's in

I recently picked her up and with a little bit of common sense and cleverness exercised, she can do some real damage.

>rockets are fast as fuck
>rockets have do damage fall off
If you're not trying to get direct hits you're not playing her correctly.
Ether learn to play well or find an easier class.

People talk about her all the time. It's just that when they do, it's in the context of shipping her with Healslut.

I always love seeing posts like this because you know for a fact the person making it has a mental handicap

>posting the mechaqueen skin and not the superior Security Chief skin

i think she is fine just requires a little bit of practice.

People dont talk about her because she is a non-slutty waifu. she is actually a girl you can take home to mother unlike widowmaker.

I am getting direct hits, how does that make up for her various other shortcomings?

its more like, "I don't actually know the real reason why this stuff is true, nor can I even think of a fake reason why it might be true, so instead I'll point out painfully obvious things that even small children instinctively realize without being told"

they're not mentally handicapped, they're just somehow unaware that they're mentally slacking

>Miss one rocket
>Get killed by 3 mcree shots that have hitscan

Use your knockback to reposition yourself instead of enemies as a main use for it, instantly it becomes 10 times more useful.

Pharah is one of the most balanced characters in the game. Her gun rewards precise aim, her concussion blast is useful but not borked like mcree's pocketsand, her instant rocketjump is part blessing and part curse, and her ult is powerful but obviously very easy to shut down.

Rather than buff her, I think the game should use her as a benchmark for balancing other characters.

>Knockback skill almost entirely useless, and only good for knocking people off the map [rarely]

Her knock back is amazing. It's like a second jump only for horizontal movement instead of verticle movement. And yes you can knock people to their deaths with it.

>Her ult is a death sentence, and requires a few seconds of focus fire to kill most people, despite half the cast having near instant damage abilities.

Stop jumping into open areas and ulting, stop thinking of it as a team killing ult. Her ult recharges amazingly fast so using it on just one person is no big deal. So use it as a tank buster or to duel whoever is annoying you the most.

I don't understand why she can't just move while using her ult. Common sense. The only safe times to use it is indoors.

>duel someone point blank with ult
>get killed by own splash damage

Okay.

>Her ult recharges amazingly fast
Not True, is one of the slowest recharging ones, I think it is just faster than Zenyatta.

Anyway, she is one of the most well designed characters around, and if you watch and read about the design process, she encompasses the spirit of the game.

And anyway, she is not played as a direct killer, she is played most like a zone denial, and the most mobile harasser of the game, you should be finding ways into the back of the other team and shutting key defenders down.

you're supposed to be getting direct hits

on that note though her rockets should move a bit faster

Not even. There are plenty of heroes whose DPS is higher than Pharah's ult, so you get killed regardless.

Pharah has the same problem that most of the weaker characters have she's hard counter by the top tiers.

McCree and Widow can both easily snipe her out of the air and every competitive team always have both of those characters. Once Widow gets nerfed Pharah, Zenyatta, Bastion, and Torb will finally get some use at a high level.

It's really easy to get shot out of the air because you hover so slow. Anyone with aim can kill you with a hitscan weapon

Because unless you're one of those unicorns with 80% scoped accuracy once you get close to her and sneeze she's gone.

The mine can be easily avoided if you're not braindead and the nonscoped rifle does shitty damage. That, and the fact that all maps have so many ways of being traversed while staying out of sight plus loads of spots to take cover everywhere.

Her shots leave trails in the air letting everybody know where she is, and every single character ingame has a voiceline they play to the whole team when they see her.

What, did you reply to the right person? Yeah I agree, her ult is low damage. Takes 5-7 seconds to kill a tank if he doesnt just kill you for standing there like an asshole.

Anyone has that webm of the highlight pose with the missles with that skin?

What if Pharah had 100 health and 50 armor?
200 effective health, same as before, but better flavor because she's literally wearing armor, and synergizes a little better with healers.

I love playing as Pharah so much, but her Ult is so fucking useless and inconvenient to use, it's driving me insane. Either you're offing yourself because of the Ults splash damage or you're so high up off the ground you get sniped the second she shouts the word "JUSTICE".
Overall though, I think she is just fine, she could have a higher amount of HP or some armor, but nothing to lose sleep over.

This, hitscan can just fuck up any pharah because air mobility + exposure will fuck her up. McCree can pick her off faster than she can fire two rockets.

>decide to go take out the enemy team from behind with Pharah
>get sniped by enemy Hanzo
>decide to kill Hanzo
>get sniped out of the air by a different Hanzo

>can't beat a team with 3 mccrees

The problem is getting close in the first place. If she's around the team or behind objects, she's enxt to impossible to kill, even with someone like Winston.

>Jump over team to sneak around
>She jumps in the middle of her teammates and I get slaughtered.

A good widowmaker with team communication is next to impossible to kill.

Reading comprehension.

everything you do on her feels earned. Nothing is ever handed to you safely. I like it.

you have to be stealthy and move behind the enemy. Wait for them to be in a group and wreck there shit.

50 armor is not 100 health
with 100 health and 50 armor she would take 145 damage from a widowmaker bodyshot

she needs 100 health 100 shield so if she survives being sniped in the air she isn't stuck on the ground with 20 health desperately looking for a healthpack

Tell that to the faggots that play CS/whatever shooter 24/7.

A bullet with no drop, they constantly scope in and out for max mobility and it charges so fast, they can constantly pull body shots that kill most attack classes in 2 hits.

No he isn't. Mercy is most used in comp play, solely due to her ult. Typical payload team consists of two tanks, one healer, and the rest is fill.

The best way to use it is somewhere in the back lines on the ground. Sure you look like a total badass Jehuty when you unload your bullet hell in the air, but it pretty much never works 9/10 times.

Really shouldn't be playing Pharah against a team with double hanzo.

Armor isn't a straight 50% reduction in every situation. 175 + 25 would be more appropriate and is a moderate buff.

>Actually requires aim because no le hitscan I win weapon
>Somehow still does less damage than the easy aim hitscan weapons
There's no excuse for the rockets being that slow, that weak, and having shit fucking splash damage. They either need to be 3 times faster, have actual splash damage, or actually fucking do damage befitting a slow moving projectile.

I agree about her ult, it's complete shit.

What it should do instead is giver her unlimited magazine and a faster firing speed for a few seconds and allow her to move and use abilities freely while it's active. That would increase the characters skill cap and actually make the ult useful in more than 3 out of 30 scenarios.

Mercyslut main here

Pharah is the most deadly to me actually, along with winston.

The rockets aren't weak. Hitscan weapons in OW are too powerful and require very little skill because of how slow most characters move.

Speaking of widowmaker, have you come across one of those "MLG" guys that just fucking decimate your entire team with quick shots?

Why the fuck doesn't she play more like TF2 sniper? Have a gun you need to calk back, have a slower charge rate, and give her a bit less speed.

They actually BUFFED her to 200 HP.

Fucking morons should have looked at TF2 sniper. There's a damn good reason he isn't allowed a fucking semi auto rifle. She's basically TF2 sniper on steroids in a game that's slower paced then TF2 is. They're going to regret it once people start getting extremely good with her. Hell, the TF2 sniper's likely going to get nerfed in some manner and he's much weaker then she is due to him being a big point of contention lately.

she's inferior to tf2's soldier in literally every conceivable way. how do they make a rocket class so shit?

in tournaments Mercy and Lucio are always brought together.

The default team for every map in tournaments is Mercy, Lucio, Winston, Reinhardt, Widow, McCree. Sometimes they switch out Widow for a second McCree depending on how close quarters the map becomes.

Widow severely needs 150 (with maybe 50 of that as shields) hp and another .5 seconds on full charge. I feel like Mcree needs a nerf too. Something along the lines of making flashbang require contact to stun and increasing the spread of fan.

Yes I have. I fucking hate playing against them. You basically can't win on most of the maps.

Oh I was misinformed about armor. I thought 50% DR on armor sounded a little OP, and didn't quite match up with D.Va's survivability. It's 5 DR.

overwatch.gamepedia.com/Armor
While a hero has any number of armor points remaining, every instance of damage they receive will be reduced by a flat 5 points. However, for instances of damage less than 10 points each, the damage cannot be reduced below half the base damage.

Why not just give her 100 health, 100 armor then?

Mercy main here too and I hate enemy Winstons more than literally anything save competent McCrees. They jump in, target you, and just barrel around like a retard while their no-aim-required attack is shoving its fist up your vagina. And his health is high enough that no one can take him out before he kills you, after which he doesn't give a shit because he's done what he wanted.

The AoE flashbang is awful but the real issue is the stun IMO. Have it momentarily blind video/audio + slow the character, but don't prevent abilities/firing. McCree should be punished for shitty ambushes when the enemy is aware of his presence.

TF2 didn't have hitscan classes that could burst you down in a second. I feel like in the coming months or especially whenever the ranked gets added the developers are going to have to make some serious changes to Mcree and the others.

Every now and then I'll run into one that's decimating everything as an attacker. What's just as frustrating though is when there are absolute shitters on my team that wanna try to do the same thing but have nowhere near the skill level.

Enemy Tracers and Widows are far, far more deadly to me as Mercy. Might have to be due to the fact they're the only ones who actively sniff me out.

Just go winston and shit on them until they switch

Yeah they're incredibly irritating. They know exactly who to single out (Mercy, aka me in basically every match) and just bodyshot them to death. She effectively rewards spammy play, which is the exact opposite of how her class should ideally be used.

>enemy widowmaker
>switch to winston for ez backline stomping
>bounce up in that bitches face
>she has a pocket mei

Why the fuck does this happen so often. I've had multiple games with a mei sitting in the widows pocket.

ranked isn't in the game yet?

Why? It was working in the beta.

Well i play allot of WM and usually i have to deal with the Hanzos or the McRees and if not i get to spend allot of time running back from the spawnpoint. Earlier today i got sniped from across the map in that african map by a McRee doing his high noon thing and i wasn't even aware that i was in his line of sight. I literally got sniped by an ult from a greater distance than i usually snipe from.

> they can constantly pull body shots that kill most attack classes in 2 hits.

True, if they're left alone. I will always harass them and the supports first.

>Tell that to the faggots that play CS/whatever shooter 24/7.

Just use ults, they're really the equalizers in this game. If i can see the 'pro' CS player using widowmaker through a wall, it won't matter that he's better than me.

I guess thats an option. I still feel like these guys would just headshot me to death before I got anywhere near them.

>New players thinking her knockback rocket does damage
>Only knocks me back to safety

I think its what happens when people queue together. A good widow with a mei support can pretty much win every fucking match, so thats what they do.

I find it funny that they also get wallhacks every 30-40 seconds, which further increasing chances of getting locked down with a headshot.

They turned her into the perfect sniper.

engadget.com/2016/05/25/overwatch-adding-ranked-play-next-month/

> It was originally included in the game until Blizzard made note of some issues within competitive mode that caused lower-skilled players to be matched up with higher-skilled players.

Guess they felt the matchmaking wasn't ready.

13 / 60 achievements, where are you guys at?

What they do, at least on a good team, is communicate that widowmaker is being attacked. The team will then move in to support her everytime since she can zip to them from ridiculous distances.

Yeah, essentially. The only problem is that now that I think about it I can't imagine an alternate ult for her that wouldn't also be op as shit.

>tfw Overwatch promotes good discussion
What
I guess since its multiplat.

>''''''''MLG''''''' sniper on the enemy team
>Rape her with Hanzo

Sounds like a case of git gud

protip; anything that counters bastion also counters widow

I get so fucking salty playing this game. I've had fun in the beta, but ever since my first game since I bought it about ~20 hours after the official launch most of my games consist of nothing but running towards the objective and getting completely wrecked. I've never had a game tilt me this easily. Everytime I have to stare at that goddamn respawn counter and having to make the arduous journey back to the objective where I'll unavoidably get oneshot by a Widowmaker all the way back again I think about the 40 bucks I've wasted on this game

I just thought this'd be a fun casual shooter to play when I've got an hour or two of spare time, but this game's taking hours off of my life from sheer rage

I think she would be a lot less bullshit if they made her non headshot damage weaker, and lowered her health (and she should have the lowest health of anyone besides maybe DVA).

>implying a good widow doesn't expressly keep an eye out for any sort of countersniping and ram that shit into the ground real quick

I mean yeah you could ult in her general direction but she'd just grapple off somewhere else and fuck you up the instant you poke your head out of cover.

>Aim better.

It's a rocket, it's supposed to explode. If it has to be fired direct, it's just a bow and arrow.

>It's a projectile. Fire it around corners.

How does that do anything with no splash damage?

I wanna see you counter these guys. Arrow draws take longer than her shots dude.

Oh you mean trying to play with friends and they all fucking suck? You're on fire 90% of the time, and you keep losing because they can't get good?

I find it insane I win more with randoms than people I know. That fucking pisses me off. Often times the game isnt a measure of skill, its more of a measure of who is who, and who can press Q to win.

It has little sense of "overcoming" the odds by being really skilled, but rather, being a constant victim to anyone with an ult.

>ulting her

bruh...

How the fuck was she even buffed in the first place?

It's just too easy getting sniped by a Widowmaker as her. Or maybe I just suck.

>Oh you mean trying to play with friends and they all fucking suck

I have literally 0 friends playing this game. I have no choice but to hop into random games

>this has killed anyone at full health ever
It's a great disruption weapon and can definitely finish off people at low health, but that's about all. Also, that still doesn't alleviate the problem of her being able to oneshot you the moment you come out of cover to fire the scatter at her

You're just inexperienced

Widow is so easy to kill, she's casual filter like Bastion

;_;
I have about 4 groups I play with.

They are all mostly shit.

Maybe it was the same guy who decided it was a good idea to nerf Pharah.

I think Blizzard's biggest issue is they have to balance the game to be enjoyable for casuals and people with 100,000 hours in fps games. Except thats impossible. In her CURRENT state, shes just about right for a shitty player to use her decently, but she is gamebreaking in the hands of a good fps player.

If they nerf her to the point where she is fair in the hands of a good player, casuals won't be able to do anything with her.

I seriously want to see you go against a good widowmaker. She can lock you down.

If you aim at the ground in front of them, the entire spread hits them and does upward of 250 health damage. Its actually extremely lethal, its just very hard to land a perfect shot.

yeah buffing a backline characters hp seems like a weird thing.

Which is fine, snipers are shit in any game anyways.

That's why you wait until you see her shoot and then shove the scatter in her ass

>its a great disruption weapon and can definitely finish off people at low health

It does 75 per arrow at 5 arrows and is the second most damaging shot to Widow, seriously git gud with Hanzo and you'll rape Widow everyday

Is tracer a good widow counter? Might start doing just that.

I already know how Sup Forums arguments work

You'll just say "W-Well that Widow wasn't good enough!"

>Oh you mean trying to play with friends and they all fucking suck? You're on fire 90% of the time, and you keep losing because they can't get good?

The people I play with aren't that bad but they literally can not stop fucking picking D.va and Mei and doing jack shit.

Widowmaker needs an HP reduction.

Git gud?

In all honesty though, I believe she is fine if not needs very few tweaks that most likely wont happen.

He Knock back is excellent for spreading a enemy apart or knocking them in a direction so you can easily predict the next shot. Jumping and knocking people away from a tank is a easy way to secure kills. If you're near ground level, you can knock them towards you.


I even use it as a escape mechanic if I don't have my jump.