Why is he not warchief?

Why is he not warchief?

He doen't believe that he would make a good leader so he never triest to go for the position

He's faggot.

Drug addict

he's pussy whipped by sylvanas

Because most people don't even know his name

why isn't saurfang the warchief

More realistically he would just lead the blood elves in leaving the Horde either to become their own faction or to rejoin the alliance.

But gameplay reasons say he'll just be a dude sitting in a forgotten corner of the world for all time.

Because having a competent leader for horde would take a lot out of the faction

Isnt everyone?

NEVER TRUST AN ELF

AROUND ELVES WATCH YOURSELVES

THE KNIFE EAR WILL STEAL ALL YOU HOLD DEAR

But hes cool.

He got out of that in MoP, his reliquary obtained a black anima golem, something completely invincible to the forsaken blight and devistating enough to take out a forsaken army on it's own.

only cause she's the writers' waifu
with thrall depowered she's by far the worst character in the entire series, and that's saying something

>Worst character in the series

How so? Because she gets away with more evil than most villains with zero repercussions?

no because she gets to be evil, get away with it AND gets to take the moral highground at the same time while other characters are punished for assuming ill will on her behalf

if she were a fan fiction character the term mary sue would be completely and utterly appropriate

I still don't get why they joined the Horde in the first place.
I mean, it's not like the Forsaken were ever actually redeemed from the destruction of Silvermoon. The Trolls are pretty much their eternal enemy, and all other Horde races are mostly limited to the other continent and have been historic opponents to boot.

he's a fucking white male

When was the last time she took the moral highground?

its whats happening right now
she is totally reformed and therefor nobody can say anything bad about her anymore

Because then there would be literally zero non-contrived reasons for the Horde and Alliance not to finally lay down their arms/banners and settle into cooperative nation-states.

Did she stop resurrecting the dead, at least without asking first, eternally damning them to hell?

No matter what BE fans think, saurfang should have always been warchief. Even before Garrosh was a nominee, Saurfang was always the top of the list but Blizzard won't do that because that would mean they couldn't force faction conflict.

>i don't understand the term Mary Sue but I am gonna use it anyways

character who's perfect in every way, steals the spotlight and warps other characters by sheer proximity? all applies here buddy
also I know canon characters can't by mary sues thats exactly why I said if she were a fanfiction character

nope, but you can't call her out on it anymore

Well, did she at least stop her siege on Gilneas now? Stop producing the plague? Has she done anything actually worth being labeled as "redeem" or is it Blizzard being retarded as usual?

plague has been rebranded as a "defensive weapon" for a while now

>339070213
Generals don't get to be Leaders

While we're talking about niche warchiefs... I honestly would have liked Rexxar to be warchief, and bring stonemaul ogres back into the fold.

Vol'jin is pretty chill though, I also don't mind the brief bit of sylvannas we're getting in Legion. Lor'themar or Baine would be great too. Trolls, Tauren and Blood elves could use more fluff.

>The Trolls
That was the arathi trolls, not even horde trolls (sen'jin? I think) like them. It's still pretty common that pretty much every single bunch of trolls fucking hates each other, aside from the gurubashi.

Vol'jin largely wants nothing to fucking do with the other troll groups and has basically told them all to fuck off before.

In regards to the forsaken, being led by a former ranger general of silvermoon seems to have helped... and the blood elves themselves went through a pretty dark phase with the magic addiction, they're not quite as 'upright and unbelievably moral' as the high elves once were... and they're mad as fuck about the humans.

There's a lot of reasons, and some of them are stronger or weaker than others. I honestly could have seen them going either way.

Needs to be a Troll or Orc for diversity you CIS Elf scum

>Arathi trolls

Amani trolls, and elf + troll hatred runs really fucking deep, so much that even after Brann confirmed trolls are the ancestors of elves they don't believe it.

The Darkspear trolls may not have ever had disputes with the elves, but the elves still hate them.

There is still an NPC in silvermoon who refuses to sell you items if you're a troll.

Yeah but what did she do that was so bad other than getting shit done?

Is it the fact that Garrosh was considered a tyrant for less?

how did the night elves react to it? Can't imagine them liking the idea either

murder, torture, force people into eternal damnation
basically Satan
and the fact that all other characters who did things on her level were killed in a raid and had their pants looted just makes it worse

This.
The only difference difference between Sylvannas and The Lich King is that she served the Horde

-Too good looking
-Knows how to use a knife, fork, toilet
-Probably not voiced by Metzen

t. alliancefag

t. alliancefag

All elves think it's abhorrent.

Garrosh was causing internal strife in the horde by making everyone who wasn't an orc second class citizens.

No horde civilian cares about the forsaken taking over previous scourge territories and kicking out the backwords fogniggers of the human race.

It all makes sense when it's horde lives > alliance lives.

Eh, blood elves were pretty short on allies.

For a while there was a severe danger of garrosh literally ripping the horde apart, but Vol'jin seems to have fixed that. Baine and Vol'jin have bound themselves incredibly tightly to the horde since then, Lor'themar seems to have really wanted to integrate with the horde as well, while gallywix and sylvannas are currently outliers.

I'm well aware that elf and troll hatred runs pretty deep, but with them at a low point and basically being 'fuck humans and dwarves', their choice to ally with the horde who were willing to look some of the morally objectionable shit they were doing seems to have been a big part of it.

thing is, there's way to much plot armor involved to the point the alliance are the BAD GUYS if they get mad about Sylvanas while by all rights the alliance, after the siege of orgrimmar should have assembled their armies and marched on undercity

And yet he whipped Sylvanas around in MoP.

Perhaps it's because Varian gives zero fucks about the Stromgarde, especially since a huge portion of their population seemingly joined the Syndicate after getting their asses handed to them.

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Well he was played by the guy who voiced Balthier from FF 12. Thats a good enough reason

or perhaps its because the alliance isn't permitted to have any onscreen victories what so ever?

Nobody knows who he is. He's like the John Kasich of the horde.

>trolls are the ancestors of elves
That sounds stupid as hell

Well look user, one thing I noticed about Cata and the "Keep WAR in WARCRAFT" mentality the fanbase kept crying about is the expectations.

People expect that war is even, you lose your guy and and then you kill mine. I gain some territory and so do you. But that is retarded, an endless stalemate.

If there was an all out war, blizzard would have it so the horde would win, because they're horde biased and that is the story they'd envisioned.

They were simply giving players what they wanted, but players want THEIR faction to get all the victories or some retarded exchange of blows with equal outcome.

This is why blizzard quickly fell back on their attempt at creating an alliance vs horde war as a central plot point, too many whining faggots.

Trolls mutate a lot. When they started living by the well of eternity, they mutated into elves. Night elves themselves mutated into high elves.

This

Blizzard always described trolls as being a cross between orcish features and elven features and in one of the old lore things claimed it is speculated that they could be the ancestors to elves though elves scoffed at the notion.

Blizzard then later made it canon by explaining that elves descended from mutated Dark Trolls who were uplifted by the well of eternity. Dark Trolls are supposed to be the most backwards and primitive trolls that didn't communicate with other troll sub-species, not even the progenitor Zandalar trolls, which is why trolls didn't pull a "we wuz here before you elf-boi, you came fromd us" on the elves.

This pissed off Elune fags, but the lore always stated that Elune didn't make the night elves from nothing, that they were once a nocturnal race blessed by Elune.

...

Kek

>elf
>dick
Pick one

Sylvannas was my waifu when I first started in BC, even though I didn't like forsaken. Why did they have to make her so evil

She really isn't, fags just forgot about all the evil shit the forsaken did in vanilla. It's alliance asshurt over getting stomped so hard.

there was a radical shift in cata. No matter the in game reasons, its dumb for a race literally defined by their desire for vengeance against arthas to then turn around and start using Valkyr

But the alliance's at least appearance of golden heroes must be preserved so forsaken took the first round with the villain bat

Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner with the death of Arthas, the only way to keep the forsaken around was to have them grow to love being undead.

>Sylvannas was my waifu when I first started in BC

Same, though she's still my Warcraft waifu. Those hips and that grey skin do things to me

Hero we deserve, not the one we need right now, yada, yada.


Speaking of which, why does everyone say Sylvannas is Uber evil? She's totally ruthless, but not that evil.
Raising dead is fine, it's how her population breeds.

My heart wavered when WOTLK came out and alexstrasza

He wouldve been much more interesting than VolJin

Because fuck you

Why has Sylvanas "death to the scourge and the living" Windrunner not become the big bad yet?

with the forsaken joining her as a third faction

Who

Because she wasn't the one who was "death to the scourge and the living" that was putress. She never used that on the horde.

>hurr, she's the one who ordered its creation
Perhaps. Perhaps not
But even if she did, so what?
Do you know what else kills the scourge and the living? Swords. Bows. Axes. Lava totems. Fireballs. Bombs. Stuff both horde and the alliance have. She just got another weapon that could wipe the scourge and potentially the alliance or someone else who could threaten her people. Nothing wrong with that. It's the same as any other weapon in warcraft.

I'm convinced this "hurr, sylvanas is super evil" meme comes from /tg/-paladinfags.

Problem is by doing so, she condemns any raised to go to warcrafts variation of hell, even if they didn't want to be raised. Negligence is also on her part since it's apparently possible to communicate with the dead, and thus, ask a person before getting raised as undead. Plus, the way she attacked Gilneas doesn't put her in a positive light either.

>to rejoin the alliance.
Yeah... you can thank jaina for that never happening ever.

>>hurr, she's the one who ordered its creation
Literally, LITERALLY every quest in old world WoW in undead territory was about creating the plague.

>tfw there isn't a single troll with actual plot in legion

Top tier, no judgements there

Oh please, it's a fantasy realm with magic where you can even fight in the after life, immortal demons and so on. They can fight a way to fight it.


see the rest of the post. even if she did, it's fine.

To be fair though, Varian was holding those councils with Lor'Thomar (about them potentially joining the alliance) without the knowledge of Jaina, who has been constantly shut down on peace talk when she tried to convince Varian previously multiple times. I'm guessing she assumed the whole dalaran incident would have also been fine with him, since he gave no indication otherwise before.

>Oh please, it's a fantasy realm with magic where you can even fight in the after life, immortal demons and so on. They can fight a way to fight it.

Or they could avoid a fight in the first place and take like 10 minutes and ask if they were willing to become undead in the first place.

She's used the plague to invade and kill despite being order not to. She convinced her sister to poison Garrosh during his trial. She's raising dead that do not breed naturally.

There's no good reason to raise more forsaken, they aren't natural, they don't breed. They are suppost to fully die off. The forsaken only exist cause Arthas lost control of them when he got weak as a DK. Forsaken would be standard undead scourge otherwise.

There's also the questline in western plague lands when you learn she's been exerting her will to control the BE deathknight(s) that joined the horde side.

You are a moron if you don't think she's evil. It's like saying Kingpin from Marvel isn't evil. Everyone clearly knows Sylvanas is. She just keeps her public image clear enough while plotting behind closed doors.

>no reason to raise more forsaken
unless you're forsaken

>they're supposed to die off
Ah. paladinfag.

She's not exactly been shown to be very forthwith about her alliance with the rest of the horde.

Also like the other guy is talking about, there is that whole, raising everything without a pulse under the sun without any sort self check.

Another thing, how about the all the evil shit that happens in her own fucking city by her own order? You really think she would bat an eye at all the dwarven mountaineers eating poisoned pumpkins? You mean that "lol it's just another weapon dude chill out" plague?

>Sylvanas probably has the most going on in terms of story of all the leaders now
>in 10 years they could never bother to make a unique model or armor for her
>they finally get around to replacing the modified alexstrasza set they gave her because nothing else was designed to fit that model (see also: Ysera)
>it looks like cata questing greens
>players would be ashamed to transmog to it

I don't even know anymore.

A: he doesn't have seniority. Sylvanas would have to die, then it would default to him
B: he doesn't like being the leader of a nation. he wants to be a soldier again
C: the orcs and trolls would not put up with an elf warchief
D: we all know Alleria will be shoehorned into it somehow

>Horde
>electing a competent leader

no sell bruh

Koltira returned in legion or maybe in WoD and when asked about Sylvanus he said he didn't want to talk about it, implying he got raped.

>You mean that "lol it's just another weapon dude chill out" plague?
It's a test to find the plague used at the Wrathgate and later Gilneas, every fucking Forsaken quest related to plagues is supposed to be leading up to finding the perfect weaponized plague.

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. The point being that saying the plague is just another weapon is like saying a traditional fantasy lich is just a guy who doesn't feel like dying

He actually the only one who calls her out of her bullshit. Everyone else seems oblivious of her.

Lor'thermar is busy enough with Quel'thlas he probably does not want any more work since his whole charater is
>Fuck Politics, stop trying to make me king, Fuck I wish I was still a ranger hunting trolls.
He is too good at his job.

>>no reason to raise more forsaken
>unless you're forsaken

She keeps forcefully raising more because she wants an army. Not because all the other forsaken want more buddies.

>Ah. paladinfag.

And yet there are other forsaken, not aligned with sylvanus that feel the same way. Leonid Barthalomew is a prime example since he distrusts the forsaken and feels the plague is a curse to be removed.

The alliance wounds were fresher and they had a good bargaining chip.

>alleria
>working with orcs

fat

fucking

chance

who am i kidding, blizzard are morons

>Garry

>How so? Because she gets away with more evil than most villains with zero repercussions?

At least someone in WoW is straight up evil without some stupid corruption or other soft hitting "please feel bad for them" crap.

I can't wait for Sargeras to come back and it turns out to be corruption all along, pls understand.

Nah, Sarg is now an anti-hero.

Forsaken see their Queen as a God, they will do anything herself. The Dark Lady sees the Forsaken as a giant shield since she knows she is going to hell after committing suicide.

The Forsaken were weakened and lost a huge amount numbers in Northrend, you can breed new Forsaken so she used Necromancy to create more in order to create an army to protect herself.
Sylvanas is not about revenge anymore, she more about avoiding hell and killing off anyone who might send her there e.g the Alliance.

> can't wait for Sargeras to come back and it turns out to be corruption all along, pls understand.

Actually we know there has been fel lord we "corrupted" with holy. Foreshadowing says we redeem Sargeras but baptizing his ass untill it sticks.

>there are other forsaken that feel the same way
And?
The forsaken who don't want to raise others won't raise others and those who want to, will. Same as breeding.

Another argument is that the afterlife is confirmed to exist in Warcraft, and if you're a shithead, you go to the void or something where old god things torture you for eternity. Sylvanas ended up there for all the crap she got up to as Forsaken when she killed herself. Now she's scared shitless of dying again, so to guard herself, she is raising more Forsaken - who might have been real great people in life - pushing them to do evil shit and setting them up for eternal afterlife rape as well.

It's the perfect plot point to keep the forsaken around.

I have often theorized that the Wrathgate was her doing, she thought the plague would finish Arthas off and there was a prime chance to test it.
She would not have given a fuck about killing either Horde or Alliance if the Lich King was killed too and it almost worked.

But then Purtress stabbed her in the back so she was able to play victim.

Sylvanas should have been the next Warchief, if for no other reason than to get more R34 of her