Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable about doomguy becoming a victim of John McClane syndrome?
Die Hard one, the guy's walking on glass and bleeding and being a man struggling New Die Hard he's throwing cars at helicopters
The original Doomguy wasn't made out to be some super badass, he was just a guy with a gun doing his job and struggling to stay alive. But with all this DOOM SLAYER nonsense the new game is spouting, it's just completely blown out of proportion, making him out to be some god...
How is ID okay with this? Why didn't they stop Bethesda from turning their literal John Everyman who kills demons into THE TOTALLY EPIC AWESOME DOOMSLAYER
but user, the doomslayer and the doomguy are two different people
Isaiah Thomas
Because it's fun to play as and actually furthers the world and story of Doom, instead of holding it back.
>fun Fuck you, Sup Forums, it's the most important aspect of a game.
Noah Smith
>Bawah the Bethesda bogeyman
Doomguy was never your average soldier just doing his job. He could sprint at 50 Mp/h for one.
David Wood
>The original Doomguy wasn't made out to be some super badass
You mean the guy who fucked up hell so many times that hell told him to leave and then proceeded to murder the fuck out of two Satan-like beings later on and if we take into account Doom 64 the guy who decided to stay in hell to fuck up the demon's shit and prevent any future invasion from hell?
Yup. Totally not a badass.
Leo Hughes
is "the titan" supposed to be the icon of sin?
Henry Price
The first song in the first level of the first game was literally Judas Priest's Painkiller. Does that sound like the anthem of a normal guy to you? ID pegged this guy as a fucking superbeast from day one, never forget it.
James Lee
what? no it isnt
Henry Smith
>he was just a guy with a gun doing his job and struggling to stay alive He was just a guy with a gun doing his job so well hell kicked him out.
Hell. Kicked. Him. Out. In the first fucking game.
Cooper Russell
The first song is the doom theme, are you high?
Alexander Gutierrez
Wouldn't Doomguy be completely boned if there was no ammo for his guns in hell? I understand he got the crucible sword thing at some point but even in the newest game, hell could just send all it's imps scavenging for the earth-ammo and remove it so Doomguy would run out and then he'd be easy prey.
Or is this just an instance where I should not overthink the story?
Charles Reyes
Maybe if this is his second game
Dude has went through hell and back and stay in it for awhile, it would be sillier if the demons still consider him as a non-threat
Austin Anderson
I believe it's up to interpretation.
Ian Thomas
Would he have died if he didn't stay behind in the first game? Was every soldier just as kickass as he was but they got instantly overrun?
Easton Smith
Yeah, he'd just have to rip and tear, but hey they didn't so he had bullets.
David Cooper
FASTER THAN A BULLET! TERRIFYING SCREEEEAM! ENRAGED AND FULL OF ANGER HES HALF MAN AND HALF MACHINE!!
Joseph Wright
I think D44M balanced it quite well. Look at DNF, for example. All the game is essentially ironic and post-ironic Duke praise but he just doesn't feel badass at all. All he does is dicking around and painting walls with shit. The game feels almost insecure in its constant self-glorification.
Doomguy, on the contrary, wakes up and starts killing demons. That's it. He's powerful and he knows it.
dnf should've started with duke being an old fat drunk who lives off his past glory trying to get girls, but always getting turned down and laughed at. when the aliens return he gets redemption.
Sebastian Reyes
You're either retarded or trolling. It's literally the exact same notes.
Luis Reed
When someone competent buys Douk off Gearbox, I think that's very likely how the following game will turn out.
But for now we're stuck with Bazinga and stale memes.
Easton Ortiz
Where were you when Doom 64 happened and the ending was Doomguy staying in hell to beat the shit out of demons forever?
Blake Cooper
Yeah, it sounds a little like those. But it's the exact same notesheet as painkiller, so...?
Eli Bennett
I really enjoyed how even Doomguy tries to brush aside all of the plot.
Evan White
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Brandon Brown
How is this even a problem?
"Doomguy is too much of a badass now".
What a waste of time.
James Garcia
No, the newest Die Hard was the one in Russia and somehow his son was working there undercover for the CIA or some shit.
Nicholas Sullivan
Love the new doomguy. Finally someone who enjoys killing monsters. Even fucking gerald is fucking depressed all the time. Also Doomguy wasn't some struggeling hero, he killed enitre armys and fught an offesnive war against hell.
Dominic Jenkins
Doomguy got kicked out of fucking hell in the first damn game. The dude was always a badass
Elijah Baker
No, they aren't.
Eli Nelson
Because the actual original Doom team is gone, duh.
Ryder Foster
Doomguy never was an "everyman". He not only managed to dodge the zombification that effected nearly all of his comrades, but also one of the scant few soldiers (through you) capable of lasting more than a few complexes on either Mars moon, the Mars surface/Hell, or Earth.
Hopefully you are the only one, because that's a dumbass complaint.
Colton Stewart
I just don't understand how the fuck this dude in a high tech futuristic suit is somehow a Biblical ancient demon killer, what the fuck? Doesn't make sense. Also, yeah, what the fuck happened to being a grunt stationed on mars with nothing to do except suck dust and watch restricted flicks in the rec room. Why does nu-Doomguy not even fucking grunt, either. It's ironic that they tried fleshing him out more than the original and yet he feels like a floating fucking gun because he doesn't make a single sound through the whole game.
Caleb Peterson
obligatory
Lincoln Taylor
I just appreciate that 4 fucked off with most of its story and settled with "Doomguy is Doomguy, except Doom3guy, that guy is lame."
Eli Hill
Huh so it does.
Tyler Russell
HE FUCKED UP HELL SO HARD THAT HELL HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LET HIM GO!
This is literally the story of the first game. If anything he became LESS badass in the new game because he had someone helping him.
Michael Green
>The original Doomguy wasn't made out to be some super badass >Kills evereything on Phobos, Deimos, Earth and Hell...twice wew lad
Robert Sanchez
Some kind of god? That's an understatement user. Not even hell wanted to deal with him. What the fuck do you do with a being so wrathful that even Satan trembles before him?
Eli Cox
>I just don't understand how the fuck this dude in a high tech futuristic suit is somehow a Biblical ancient demon killer, he isnt
Brody Moore
>How is ID okay with this?
Most people who worked on the first Doom don't work at id anymore.
They sold/allowed themselves to be bought by Bethesda, they don't give a fuck.
They never cared about the story or character of Doomguy.
James Miller
It's not but I'm surprised how few people know they deliberately copied the song as closely as they could without paying royalties.
It's either a homage, inspiration, rip off, or the same song depending on you and your lawyers opinion
Juan Anderson
It's explained in Doom 4. Effectively, Hell is a conduit to infinite worlds, and Doomguy, post-Doom 2, travels all over, murdering the fuck out of Hell's monsters wherever they appear, occasionally returning to Hell to fuck them up in person. Doom 4 effectively canonizes any and all fan-made .wads and mods, while not allowing Doom 4 players to make their own mods or custom campaigns. Over time, his mystique grew among the dwellers of Hell, resulting in the legend of the Doomslayer.
Connor Johnson
He wasn't a super badass but he was still pretty badass considering he fucked up hell pretty bad even in the first game.
I think what you're looking for is doomguy 3 from Doom 3. He's pretty much just some guy who had shit fucking luck on the first day of his job.
Evan Stewart
He is. Look at that ancient tablet in the Codex entry where he's slaying demons in the praetor suit in ancient times while some dark hooded figure looks on
Jason Hernandez
>Story or character of Doomguy
A character who literally runs around killing shit? What did they change, exactly?
Evan Howard
Favorite Doomguy hand models?
Doom 3 for me. Bare arms > everything else
Ian Collins
No I really dont give a shit. Its cool and metal lore like. On top of that it makes sense because he has been doing it for a long ass time and is pissed off and more skilled than ever because of all his experience.
Blake Wood
Brutal Doom happened. How weird, a mod changing the game lore.
Ethan Taylor
Because it's fucking heavy metal as fuck bend over and suck a cock prison bitch
Aaron Green
Original is the best, his weird skin colored gardening gloves.
Jaxson Carter
>terrywads are canon
Poor Doomguy.
Christian Reed
>He is. Only evidence for that is from a demon's biased perspective, who have lionized him into some mythological figure. And if he's ancient and Biblical, why does his suit have 21st/22nd century english on it? >some dark hooded figure looks on That's you, the player.
Grayson Lee
This Doomguy is such a wuss that a demon can tackle him to the ground and literally rip his legs off. Never mind that it's impossible to do that way at all...
Jaxson Foster
Alright, real talk here.
Doomguy vs Doom64guy vs D33Mguy vs D44Mguy
Everyone is at their maximum strength but with no timed powerups (berserk included). Game mechanics are considered canon and aren't scaled, e.g. Doomguy actually runs at 50 MPH and D33Mguy's shotgun is a melee weapon.
Landon Young
Doomguy was never an everyman.
Nathaniel Jackson
Fun fact - the artist Kevin Cloud provided the images for Doomguy's arms in the originals
Christopher Gomez
Robin Williams
Jordan Reyes
>hdoom is canon
Lucky bastard
Grayson Moore
>Doomguy wasn't made out to be some super badass, he was just a guy with a gun doing his job and struggling to stay alive.
Brandon Collins
The reason he's a mythical killer is that he was so damn good at it. The demons of Hell were getting his foot so far up their collective asses that they were on the retreat since the day he got there. He killed so many, so often that they sent out their big guns, and watched them get utterly wrecked. At some point, even God, or at least a fancy angel, noticed Hell was getting its shit rocked. Rather than take Doomguy, teleport him to a therapist on a beach or something, and tell him to calm down, the divine being gives him the ability to never die. He just respawns in Hell. So Doomguy is whooping so much ass, teleporting all over Hell, and eventually teleports to another reality, where Hell has not tasted his boot. Then he fucks up THAT reality, and teleports out to find more Hells to fuck (devs say this is him doing all the different .wads).
Eventually, the Hell he's in at the start of the game wises up and traps him in a tomb, because they sure as shit aren't fighting him. He's there for a while until the reality attached to that Hell has its own scientists break into hell and try to tap into its power. This is when you take control of Nu-Doomguy. He has already seen this song and dance a thousand times. He might not be ancient, but he has been on an inter-dimensional killing spree for a long ass time.
Jaxson Wood
same reason fucking demons have missiles
Cameron Richardson
What
Michael Harris
At least he has shoes
Sebastian Stewart
>that one weird time when he appeared in an alternative universe where he was Homer Simpson and all of the demons are Simpsons characters.
Chase Ward
D44Mguy wins if anything gets into melee range. Else Doomguy wins.
Zachary Sanders
No. IIRC there's actually an area later on where you can find the destroyed Icon.
Michael Kelly
Because its bedshitsa.
Thats why.
The elders kek: you are a demi god Fallout: you are a demi god Doom: you are a demi god
You can count on the next frenchise to be butcherd the same way.
The designers pretend to think and slap the elders kek logic on everything.
Blake Ross
>Guy doing his job >Fighting off the hoards of hell alone with enough firepower to start a war
Yeah nah, son
Carson Bell
It's supposed to be ambiguous whether or not the Doom Slayer is actually the original Doomguy, all we know is that the Doom Slayer has had a lot of experience fucking up Hell in the past. I like to believe that Old Doom, Doom 3, and New-Doom take place in different universes, but the Wolfenstein games take place in the timeline of New-Doom.
Eli Perez
It's never implied that custom wads are canon. I think it's only supposed to imply that Doomguy defeated Hell twice, in both original games, which is enough for the demons to fear him. Literally sick of this "all wads are canon" meme, heard it 1000 times now.
Nathan Brooks
D44Mguy has the Gaussrifle with Siege mode tho
Colton Scott
I'm tired of this meme. Doom 4 Doomguy is exactly as powerful and badass as he was originally (maybe less so, since he moves a lot slower without haste)
>participates in peace keeping operations in middle east >destroys CO for ordering squad to open fire on civilians >sent to mars to help keep it all hush hush >uac eggheads opens portal to hell >destroys hell
He's essentially the hero humanity needs
Nathan Cruz
>hell is filled with qt demons
Julian Perry
He gives you a Marineguy toy if you shoot a rocket into his brain
Julian Wright
beth didn't even develop doom they just published it
Lucas Jenkins
I posted this on /vr/ something like a week ago while I was drunk but the janny doesn't like any mentions of D44M so it got deleted.
Since D44M canonized every game and every .wad, I think I've put together the pieces on parts of the entire Doom timeline. It all makes sense once you realize the .wad airing order is not the chronological order, and that the only timeline that matters is Doomguy's personal timeline since he's traveling through alternate timelines and universes. >the original official games from Doom1 to Doom64/Final Doom happen first >brutal doom happens when Doomguy has had to fight the demons again and again so he's completely lost it >after that he reaches some sort of enlightenment and starts regarding the demon armies of endless parallel universes as his old pals who just communicate with violence, allowing him to tirelessly complete countless missions >the more bizarre escapades, like becoming Batman or Pacman, becoming uncornerable and fighting the LAPD, and taking part in the "Extreme Doom Wars" happen one after the other when alternate realities bend like a sine wave and escalate to increasing strangeness >hitlerkk.wad, all terrywads and wierd shit like rootpain happen one after the other when Doomguy reaches the very top of the multiversal wave motion >on the way down the "wave" HDoom happens >Imp Encounter happens a few realities after HDoom when Doomguy is frustrated about not being able to go back >a handful of jumps after that he shortly lapses back to the brutal days, this is where brutal doom parody .wads happen
However, at this point the timeline gets a bit hazy. And of course the various .wads that haven't been mentioned can be hard to exactly place on the timeline.
Angel Watson
This is literally headcanon
Christopher Harris
It's rather subtle.
Matthew Harris
I thought autistic people didn't drink. Huh. Learn something new every day
Luis Diaz
rumor that doom 1 and 2's arms come from robin williams
Connor Russell
>Implying he lost it in Brutal Doom
That's when he just got really pissed off. Doomguy completely loses it in Grezzo 2.
Leo Nguyen
>I just don't understand how the fuck this dude in a high tech futuristic suit is somehow a Biblical ancient demon killer, what the fuck? He's not. The demons made up the whole DOOMSLAYER LEGEND shit in an attempt to justify a sole space marine entering their dimension over and over again for eons to kick their asses.
It's literally damage control.
Michael Morris
Boxart guy is different from Doomguy. It's pretty obvious that guy is fucked, and the guy in the background is running to try and help.
Luke Thompson
>timeline STOP IT KIDS
JUST FUCKING STOP IT
GAMES AREN'T STORIES
THEY AREN'T TIMELINES
THEY AREN'T ANY OF THIS SHIT
GO TO Sup Forums IF YOU WANT THIS SHIT
JUST PLEASE STOP DESTROYING GAMES
John Gray
>demons damage controlling oh man
Blake Richardson
So is every .wad and mod a different interpretation of hell? So, he only ever kills demons?
Also at what point did he go full GMOTA? When did he turn into a japanese girl? Are the duke DOOM wads also him? Is Duke DOOMGUY? Is Caleb DOOMGUY as well, since there's a conversion mod?
>le doomguy so faster den sanic xD he punch alien with face xDD
William Cooper
>blazkowiczs is kill in a nuclear explosion
>gets sent to hell and joins the night sentinels
>becomes the doom slayer
All my yes
Brayden Baker
This is such shit, the official canon, whatever the fuck it is, all the ridiculous headcanon, it makes my head spin. Christ, what the fuck have they done to Doom's nondescript but cool story
