Godtier: Bowers inside story

Godtier: Bowers inside story
Good tier: superstar saga, dream team
Okay tier: paper jam
Shit tier: partners in time.

Prove me wrong.

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I can't, that's right.

Anything involving the baby version characters is trash.

Though I like PiT a lot, I can't argue with this. GOAT list

*Excluding SMW2, which still would have been better without Baby Mario.

Honestly I think BIS deserves a 3DS remake (or an NX remake, if it's the hybrid it's rumored to be... Or even still, give it a total overhaul ala Final Fantasy 7 on PS4).

switch bowser's inside story with saga and then you're correct

Dream Team was awful. Terrible enemy designs, never ending tutorials, too many linear 2D sections.

>being this Nostalgic

Come on, friend.

God Tier: SSS, BiS
Alright Tier: PJ, PiT
Shit Tier: DT

Dream Team is easily one of my biggest gaming disappointments, so hyped for that game and it was a total slog of garbage. Music was incredible though

>BIS in God Tier
Fuck off. It has the dullest overworld even if you take Paper Jam into account. Thanks to Bowser hogging the spotlight, the Bros. are stuck in shitty confined areas significantly cutting down their large pool of moves to interact with the environment. It has the most mandatory minigames to advance the plot, more than Superstar Saga and Paper Jam. It has the worst 2D segments even if you take Dream Team's linear ones into consideration as well as the most tedious brain dead puzzles. The fucking rival was more interesting than the shitty recycled localization memer. Thanks to it, Dream Team had a bunch more touchscreen horseshit that Paper Jam thankfully got rid of. It has the "Bros. moves are items" shit that Sup Forums always complains about, yet conveniently ignores for that particular entry. Starlow made her first appearance in it. Everyone shits on Dream Team's completely half-assed googly eye enemies when BIS had Fawful faces.
And Bowser's a fucking retard.

Updating OP's with all Mario RPGs.


Godtier: Bowers inside story, SMRPG, PM, TTYD
Good tier: superstar saga, dream team
Okay tier: paper jam, SPM
Shit tier: partners in time.
Worse than shit tier: PMSS
Probably will be shit tier: PMCS

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Why are you talking about BiS?

ironically BIS had the same issues but it's okay because bowser's playable

Actually this is better than OP's list. A better compromise between fans of different games.

Switch SSS with BiS and PiT with PJ

But this is an M&L thread :^(

should i just skip partners in time? i don't like the gimmick at all

This.

No, it's good

BiS has the worst Luigi in the whole series. He is a marginal character, he does nothing special and he is, pretty much, ignored for all the game.
While in all other games Luigi has a lot of screentime and very often saves the day. Which is the point of the series called Mario AND LUIGI.

SPM is shit and BiS is better than TTYD.

Get out GC babby.

Why is DT on par with SSS?

I really wish Fawful would come back. I know he's """"""dead"""""", but they could come up with so many ways to bring him back. Hell, for all we know he could have just reformed himself from the particles that blew up everywhere after coming out of bowser's body

saga had the better gameplay

And actual Bros. Attacks

thanks for proving the image correct

>Dream Team
>Mediocre
Kys

>And actual Bros. Attacks
This was my favorite thing about SSS. I refuse to play another M&L without bros attacks. Items belong to Paper Mario.

BiS = SSS > DT > PiT >>>>>>>> PJ

PJ was the biggest steaming pile of shit. The most rudimentary and unimaginative Mario story and worlds ever, almost no humor the series is known for, Paper Mario's copy mechanic is so broken he makes the game easy mode.

>look ma' I'm a special snowflake
(You)

>Mario & Luigi venture into a new kingdom to fight a witch that stole Peach's voice
>she gets wrecked, but escapes to later fuse with Bowser and brings back the Koopalings; you explore multiple locations that ultimately drag on way too long and nearly kill the fun until the final area thankfully saves everything

>Mario & Luigi travel back in time and meet their horrendously obnoxious baby selves, joining together to fight an invasion of constantly reskinned HP sponge aliens but never really taking advantage of the time travel gimmick although the story does get pretty grim

>Mario & Luigi end up inside Bowser thanks to half of the villain duo from the first game; you're stuck in there with a nagging cunt while Bowser loses basic functions restored via gimmicks because this game needed to be as long as the previous one

it was super long and some parts were a little unnecessary like entering and exiting the dream worlds

Because it's great.

>Mario enters Luigi's dreams which are really just 2D versions of 3D areas with a dreamy filter slapped on, tasked with the challenge of enduring an avalanche of tutorials and collecting one pillow person at a time to combat wimpy Not-Dracula who gets slapped aside by Bowser who is thankfully no longer a moronic dudebro
>also Luigi gets some of the best moments in the series

>Mario & Luigi meet Sticker Star Mario who ends up in the "real" world with all the other paper characters they could easily reuse since they decided to not go full fanfiction; the locations play it way too safe, you never go into the book, but at least they made combat more interesting so you aren't too disappointed when everything abruptly wraps up and you're just left with arenas

They're all good in their own way.

But honestly, I'm taking a break from the series, it's gotten to a point where regardless, it's all the same. These more recent plots aren't exactly helping either, although I guess it's nice they expanded on the Koopalings a little.

Wake me up when a Mario & Luigi & Wario happens.

>Thinking a Wario & Waluigi is going to happen any time soon

Don't hold your breath, I don't have any expectations either on Nintendo ever making something other than Mario & Luigi & Mario & Luigi. At best, a Mario & Luigi & Yoshi and even that's far'fetched.

>but at least they made combat more interesting
Why the fuck does everybody say Paper Jam has good combat?
It's fucking slow and way too easy.

I just want Superstar Sagas Bro commands again
WHY CANT WE HAVE IT FFFFFFFF

>he never completed the challenges

I said they were interesting.
There's more variety, but some attacks take too long.

because tomato adventure

>It's fucking slow and way too easy.
it's okay when BIS does it though

Fuck whoever thought it would be a good idea to give the bosses in the later games Super Nova length attacks.

>BIS better than SS

Not sure I can agree. Equal would have been a no-brainer.

>it was super long
I don't know you but I didn't find it a problem. I was actually happy to have a very long Mario and Luigi game. Pillow Islamd is also a wonderful place to explore.
>And some parts were a little unnecessary like entering and exiting the dream worlds
Well, I'll give you that. Altough I liked the dream world in general.

I think the besset fkaw of DT are the tutorials. But even then, the game is great. Not perfect but still good. Far away from mediocrity.

>Sticker Star
Just early there was a thread praising it, I thought I was on some kind of odd world.

>besset fkaw
are you okay?

Not him but I still want to play that from them. Considering it's basically Proto Mario & Luigi.

>Wake me up when a Mario & Luigi & Wario happens.
Why? You already know it's going to be the trio traversing grassland-desert-beach-forest-mountain-lava castle with attacks that take too long to execute with very little relation to the characters' past abilities/powers as they fight Bowser who maybe has a new antagonist at his side.

I actually agree with more or less the entirety of this list, which for Sup Forums lists is a damn rarity for me.

You're completely right, but Sup Forums has a hard-on for it because muh Bowser and muh final boss music, so we're out of luck.

BiS is overrated as fuck.
I genuinely think it's the many furry/bara supporters on Sup Forums that keep spreading wrong opinions about the game.

Bleah, I'm sleepy as fuck. I meant "biggest flaw".

No you stupid furfag, it's because it had the best villain

Super Paper Mario is not great. The writing doesn't magically make the boring platforming and blatant padding go away.

even smithy was a better villain and he was just angry santa claus with a hammer

Wario fans are getting there with metroidfags and paper mario fags as the most stupid and annoying fanbases.

Though you got to admit, it is pretty cool when shiny robo bowser blocks your trio attack and uses his own.

>watch me doing lolsorandumb things
>yet actually my plan ends up being a complete rehash of SSS

OH BOY, HERE WE GO
I have been teleported to seven year ago again.
>TTYD fags will never be erased from existance

youtube.com/watch?v=bjcapg518E8

Rank the Final Boss Themes (Keep in mind Paper Jam has two phases, and Phase Two is considered the main final Boss theme).

But that's not Cackletta or the Shadow Queen and Bowser is playable.

>Everything I dont like is reddit

Everything he did had a reason. And he had the best reasons for his motives, and he almost got shit done

>HE CRITICIZED SUPER PAPER MARIO
>TTYDFAG TTYDFAG
Shut up, retard. TTYD isn't even my favorite and I still enjoyed some of SPM.

Godtier: Partners in time
Good: superstar saga
OK: bowsers inside story
Shit tier: dream team, paper jam

>>Everything he did had a reason

>gives Bowser the Vacuum Mushroom so he'll go attack Peach's Castle again
>Bowser sucks Peach into his body
>oh whoops, Fawful needed her for the Dark Star
>good thing he can asspull a convenient teleportation device to take her out as necessary

>Everything he did had a reason. And he had the best reasons for his motives, and he almost got shit done
Wow, it's almost like he was Cackletta except with shittier dialogue.

>Wow, it's almost like he was Cackletta except with shittier dialogue.
Gee, it's almost like she was his mentor!

I mean, I'm trying not to nostalgia too hard, but I think this works.
1. BIS, it has the right kind of melody for the situation
2. SSS, the riff or percussion or whatever it is that comes in drives the boss fight home
3. PIT, for that fanfare

I don't care about the other two, they're whatever.

It's almost like she was the best villain!

This.

It's like Japan watched Scooby Doo and thought "you know what this could do with, more Scrappy"

considering the Wario series isn't nearly as dense as the Paper Mario series, I doubt Alpha Dream will have a hard time thinking of shit for wario like they did with paper mario

BiS>SS>PiT>PJ>DT

The 3DS games were abortions.

Wapeach

(you)

post M&L/PM waifus

Going back

I absolutely hate Bowser's Inside Story now

It's minigames are single biggest piece of shit I have ever seen

You do his fucking muscle game 4 times before the half point for fucks sake

What's so bad about PiT? I actually managed to finish that game unlike the borefuck that was SSS

Shhh user, only the DT/PJ minigames can be criticized even though they're a lot more varied. :^)

It plays interesting concepts alien invasion and time travel as blandly as possible.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's a good game.

Isn't Paper Jam entirely chasing paper toads.
It makes me feel like that's going to be the entire plot of Colour Splash

The plot was good, if a bit edgy, but you could take the babies out and the plot would mostly be the same. The bosses were HP sponges (elder shroob had 3000 hp for example). Music wasn't good. It's mediocre honestly.

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>Isn't Paper Jam entirely chasing paper toads.
No.

yes.

It kinda is

I thought it was okay. In fact, that's how I feel about every game in the series.
I don't see why some get excess praise or hate.

It's the best one.

It's something you do for five minutes every three hours. It's not about rescuing Paper Toads more than BIS is about collecting Attack Pieces and DT Pi'illo people.

You seem to have everything in the reverse order.

Baby Bowser was funny

I just dislike all the bosses having inflated HP. Makes them way more tedious than they really need to be.

Elder Princess Shroob especially takes forever to die.

Princess shroob is actually one of my favorite final bosses because of that. Dark bowser was a fucking pussy and a let down after fighting that behemoth of a boss, princess shroob. That is probably one of the few things I liked about PiT. The final boss was no fucking joke, while the rest of the final bosses have been a lot easier.

>after fighting that behemoth of a boss, princess shroob
Not him, but the fight is fucking boring because she has really high HP yet her attacks have really simple tells and she doesn't do much damage.

I agree with everything except TTYD which is actually godlike and I'd say Super Paper Mario is good to mediocre, definitely has some neat stuff going for it but not quite there.

>tfw we will never get another game where bowser is the main character and fuck shit up.

He really was broken, I don't think I ever died playing as him. That shit was fun as hell. The only thing I think is overrated as he'll is the fact that people overreacted the final boss in it. It was bad ass fighting another bowser as, well, bowser, but the music was okay tier. No way was it great, it was just okay.

The Mario & Luigi chart I do find 100% accurate.

Ah, might just be me then. Her hits fucked me up fast. Especially if she trips you with her hentai attack. I struggled with her more than any other final boss from the super mario rpg series. The only other one that comes close is cackletta, and that's only because she gets a bullshit advantage at the beggining.