So we all know CA is already making another historic Total war alongside fantasy series, what time period should the next installment cover? We already know they're not going to make any third installment so that already rules out Rome, Medieval and Shogun.
Op's hopes are up for Empire 2, first Empire had so much potential and I wish they would make proper game set in that time period. Maybe even extend that timeline to something similar like Europa Universalis so you could explore the new world and put more emphasis on colonization.
I know that fans of Medieval 2 are a bit infamous around here, but I think it's time to go back to this period. It seems such a long time ago.
Lucas Roberts
NOOO, with Rome2 and Attila I am sick of this Antic shit
Connor Jackson
Three kingdoms of China
Matthew Martin
Shogun 2 was problery the best of the Series
Dylan Gutierrez
I would like this also, but they already said they're not going to make third part of anything. Medieval 2 could really use update and it would benefit from better charge attacks we saw in warhammer.
Oliver Sanchez
I'd love to play a WW1 Total War game.
Of course, the combat system would have to be remade from scratch.
Leo Martin
>attila >ancient
oh fuck yes. the amount of sheer glorious fuckery that has gone down in chinkland
Michael Davis
Just play Darkest Hour with Arms, Armistice and Revolutions
Samuel Wood
WWI please. You could still use tactics, macro flanking/supply lines, charges, horses, MG emplacements, gas, geopolitics... I feel like there's so much potential
Leo Hughes
American Civil War
Owen Howard
Trust me you don't want that in TW, they will fucking ruin it.
That amount of autism requires GSG
Ryder Hill
I want xvi or xvii century. Shit would be cash with the war of religions and start of colonization
Chase Reed
Total War: Infinite Warfare
Brayden Lewis
I don't know it would work on Total war because you really couldn't expand so much and battles would last so long. I really would like to see that also because it would offer so much like forming USSR etc.
Levi Hall
TOTAL WARHAMMER 40K
WITH 30K EXPANSION PACK
Luke Gray
Oh please, god no. FPS genre is already poisoned with every game being from american point of view, let's not do that to Total War. It could work as a spinoff or dlc, but not a whole game based on it.
Justin Parker
That would fit well with the narrative focus they've tried to implement as of late. Liu Bei, Sun Quan and Cao Cao might start as minor nations (or even as horde), other playable factions would include Liu Biao and other major players before the emergence of three kingdoms, but the three kingdoms would have a lot of quests and such like (move Liu Bei to Yangdu province and you get Zhuge Liang as an experienced agent, that kind of stuff).
Oliver Wright
Three kingdoms I hope.
Nolan Bell
holy shit just came here to say that - definitely three kingdoms era China
Ian Roberts
Vicky 2 for example does justice to events leading to a Great War but once the war has started, there isn't much grand strategical interest there (investing in rapidly developing submarines, tanks and such like, but in the diplomatic front for example there isn't much to do besides trying to convince/dissuade US from entering the war). And if we think of Paradox development studio formula with Clausewitz engine, its combat model is completely inadequate for dealing with the nuances of the war, both in terms of more dynamic fronts (with things like heavy use of railway) and the stalemate of Western one.
I haven't really played any of the currently available WW1 wargames (AGEod World War One Gold, Commander: The Great War and such like) because I'm not personally particularly interested in the war, but I'm pretty sure a strategic-operational hex and counter wargame would be the game format and level of operations that it's best suited for.
Gavin Ward
Darkest Hour mang
Christopher Jenkins
I would say Total Warhammer competes with that title
They seem to do best when they focus on a smaller area and can focus their goals instead of adding feature bloat. Their ranged combat isn't spectacular either.
A pre-gunpowder conflict in a relatively isolated area should be their choice
Jaxon Lopez
How can a Three Kingdoms game carry itself after cutting out most of the story and characters? It'd be depressing as fuck to get Zhuge Liang as an agent and have the regular +10 growth agent shit. Are you gonna send him into battle and have him cast voodoo wind magic or what. He can't exactly do his genius tactician schtick since the player is basically omniscient.
Michael Roberts
Some viking total war game
Wyatt Green
Oh yeah. Victoria 2 really suffered.
Christopher Bailey
If they don't make a Medieval TW we might get lucky and the Medieval fags who don't play anything else will all kill themselves finally.
Hudson Miller
I wish they'd make a ww2 theme. I want to be nazis and see swastikas covering the entire map well into my turns.
Make the battles with a lot more terrain less open field. Then smaller unit sizes so it doesn't look like a group of musketeers. Think ab it. MG40 units carrying their gun like a ballista. Obviously tank units. Then make it so trees don't hide you, but instead give you cover. Then make the terrain exactly like that. To where things give you cover instead. Might take a bit of thinking but could work.
Gavin Price
Aren't there vikings in Attila?
Carson Morris
It will be a Medieval 3
Age of Charlemagne was already Medieval 2.5, it only makes sense it would be 3
Evan Perez
I think major bonuses to settlements or armies accompanies by the agent (similar to how they worked in Fall of the Samurai) is the best way Total War has handled agents thus far. Assassination/misdirection/sabotage/whatever spam gets tiresome so I prefer bonuses to your own stuff by a long shot.
Suppose Zhuge Liang embedded in the army (but not taking the field, heroes like Lü Bu would) provided +20 morale -20% upkeep 50% campaign movement +30 attack/defence and such like. That would do justice to his ability without wind magic silliness.
Matthew Turner
Caveman Era
Wooly mammoth units. Club and spear units. Hmm actually nm that wouldn't work.
With polish and a real studio it could be way better.
Evan Russell
Attila has Viking Forefathers and Age of Charlemagne DLC has actual vikings
Nolan Williams
Empire 2, Civil War, or WWI. Empire and Napoleon are my favorites and it's time give them another go. Warhammer is already basically Medieval 3 anyway so that won't happen any time soon.
Colton Rodriguez
Either or the Greek and Persian wars.
Dominic Sullivan
It's a shame that mod isn't really that great once you start playing it. Looks good, but gets really boring.
Lucas Turner
Something like the lion the witch and the wardrobe would be sick. I'm imagining a full regiment of cheetas and lions as cavalry charging eachother. Minotaur legionaries, Beaver archers, foal Grenadier, and ice queen chariots. Maybe as a mod idk they prob won't do another whole fantasy genre after Warhammer.
Lincoln White
>switzerland is playable >But complety useless because you will constantly get attacked and got NOTHING to defend yourself
Why add it in the first place
Colton Ross
Alexander the great would be nice
John Cruz
That would actually be a pretty good setting for a Total War game.
James Morales
They're probably testing out tank combat in WH so they don't balls it up in an actual historical setting.
Jayden Collins
This could work perfectly with what CA did with Warhammer. The "heroes" of the three kingdoms could work like the lords and heroes. They could keep the historical aspect, but wish a dash of myth/fantasy.
Plus having every unit with 300+ men on ultra would be orgasmic. A "small" battle would involve 5-10k men.
Ian Fisher
You know what I'd like?
A Total War like Shogun, but with Asia in general instead of Japan only.
William Thompson
I say it is the same with Warhammer, fucking boring how it barely cares for lore, heroes or anything else. It is a horrible turn based fantasy game, it got nothin on HoMM, AoW and other games that can with some shuffle, end up under Fantasy TBS.
In all f airness, total war games are so fucking braindead and shallow in the simulation part of building and now in the fantasy RP part too. Boring, void world maps.
Charles Bailey
.t Paradox shill
Jordan Walker
More like Warring States period for historical games. Three Kingdoms era, in historical manner, would be three absurdly powerful states, handful of their weak-ass-and-meaningless-allies and... that's all. If you don't want to end up with just two enemies to face, Warring States is the answer.
John Jackson
The irony comes from the fact how modern Paradox games are actually self-playing themselves, that's how boring and braindead they are.
God, I wish they went bankrupt around HoI3 and left a decent legacy as a company instead of all those shit games ever since CK2...
Nicholas Adams
>Op's hopes are up for Empire 2, first Empire had so much potential and I wish they would make proper game set in that time period. Maybe even extend that timeline to something similar like Europa Universalis so you could explore the new world and put more emphasis on colonization.
I think the problem is so few people probably want Empire 2, not to mention it would by default have to get over original's shitty reputation
James Perry
I mention HoMM and AoW, speak of shallow and void world maps where you can do nothing. Had you played a Paradox game you would 1: Know their world map is fucking non interactive in most of their game and 2: They lack a fantasy game and 3: They are not even turn based.
Go to take a nap and come back when you get your "y...you a shill!" comments right.
Dylan Harris
Under that shit is a lot of micromanagement but yeah, I guess the games gotten simpler over time for a bigger audience. Also Paradox DLC policy is cancer. They pretty much sell you unlocks for patches in DLC/Expansion packs.
William Perry
>HoMM is my bastion of a turned based strategy game >Expecting anyone to listen to you
wew lad
Lincoln Adams
By expanding the agents system, Of course, problem is that would be taking away from combat which is basically what Total War is all about at its core and campaign part is just kinda there for basic shit.
Blake Allen
Never said it is a bastion. I said it is more interactive than fucking Total Warhammer.
Hudson Robinson
Medieval 3, no stop
There's already ROTTK games made by Koei for that.
Hunter Reed
>Modern Paradox >Micromanagement Pick one. They are literally streamlining their games. The EU4, already brain-dead game, got lobotomised TWICE already, first by "improving" building system (basically reducing your options to bare minimum) and when they've introduced colonial nations, so you don't have to deal with colonies nor their development, but also gain absolutely NOTHING from colonising.
Adam Allen
This
Why do people are so obsessed with Three Kingdoms is beyond me. I know, I know, Romance of Three Kingdoms, but have you actually READ it? Or checked the real world data about it? It just won't work as TW game.
Nathan Barnes
>more interactive
I'm sorry, HoMM lets you interact with hundreds of units at one time involving actual tactics? I unless you think hexagon based autism battles are "interactive" then I just suggest you run into oncoming traffic.
Ayden Thompson
How about Victoria total war? >Unify Germany as Iron chancellor >Build iron clads and fight with them at seas >Rifle armed infantry >Machine gunners
Camden Howard
The size of the map would be an iffy issue. Other than that - fuck yeah!
Benjamin Gomez
M3 is the only game that would be good due to the sheer number of unit diversity.
All other time periods just turns into romans, greeks, asian rock/paper/scissors or line of guns
Christian Carter
>chinese history
Dominic Reyes
>france is one region for what purpose?
this
Camden Taylor
people just say three kingdoms because it's what they know. of course it took a while for those three kingdoms to form properly. not to emotion you could also always just break down factions like we saw in warhammer. you're not playing as the empire, for example.
Jayden Price
>A war with 2 factions in which all of the major battles took place in a relatively small area of the country.
They could do a game similar to Medieval 2 Kingdoms, with a bunch of campaigns that are too small by themselves for an entire TW game, with shit like the American Civil War, the 30 Years War, and shit like the Zulu Wars.
Honestly though, I'd really like to see a TW set in China. I'm surprised they haven't already considering the market for vidya in China
Evan Campbell
Fug you Stellaris is fun
William Harris
I would throw up upon announcement. That era was far far more about diplomacy than it was about war. Victoria 2 only manages to do a somewhat decent job at properly conveying the era and it is heavily event driven. A total war game would be atrocious.
Julian Ross
it's time for a pike and shot total war
Camden Hill
Suppose you played as a lord, not as a faction. For example, depending on the start date, the major factions could be Yellow Turbans and Han, Dong Zhuo and Yuan Shao, or ultimately the Three Kingdoms, and each lord would owe their allegiance to one of the factions (think of Imperials/Shogunate from Fall of the Samurai, but factions appearing and disappearing dynamically as the game progresses). For example, if the start date was soon after the quelling of Yellow Turban rebellion, Liu Bei could start out ruling Gaotang County and holding his allegiance to Han faction, but as Han grows weaker or Liu Bei player gains influence and power, the player would get an option to create their own Shu Han faction.
Adam Anderson
The entire basis of Total War was Sun Tzu's "Art of War" the team took the tactics and ideas from that book and implemented it in the battle system.
Joseph Parker
It would be a waste of time
Western vidya more often than not sells like shit in china. And not due to a lack of trying.
Andrew King
Thirty years war and a super detailed map of Germany would be neat.
Parker Gonzalez
I can't remember the source but I'm pretty sure they backtracked on the 'third installment' shit. I'm almost positive it's going to Medieval 3 or some reboot set in that time period (like how Attila was a rebranding of Barbarian Invasion) considering all the recent improvements they've made.
>Horde system The systems in place for the Huns and Chaos are perfect for Mongols and Timurids >Religion system Attila already features buildings, flavour and bonuses for most of the religions present in Medieval like Catholicism, Orthodox, Tengriism, Norse Paganism, Slavic Paganism etc. >Disease system The disease shit from Attila is perfect for the black death and smallpox >Expedition system The Last Roman campaign where you serve the Byzantine Emperor and take land for him is perfect for Crusades and Jihads. >Medieval models already done CA already did a shit ton of work making models for Age of Charlemagne and Bretonnia. I personally don't think they'd of put that much work into Bretonnia and still be willing to release it as FreeLC if there wasn't crossover from Medieval 3.
Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't think they'll do another gunpowder game for a while and China TW would probably be hard to market in the West.
Evan Davis
I'd be fine with that setting, the only issue would be unit diversity and slowly "upgrading" your cities with better units etc.
Also mass civilian genocide would have be prevalent, 30 years war was ugly as fuck.
Jacob Jones
Well, folks would have trains and steam liners so the world would be "smaller" than it has been before.
Gavin Powell
I mean on the map, silly. There is fuck all to do and it is bland, It looks like a dead world.
John Martinez
How would a WW1 total war game even work? Battles would be sitting in trenches and shelling each other until time runs out.
Carter King
>WW1 was nothing but trenchwarfare from the frist day to the last I blame movies for this myth spreading.
Camden Miller
Why do you people spout these retarded ideas? That's not Total War, its a completely different thing, go play Wargame or Ruse for something like that.
Jason Gutierrez
whatever they do hopefully there is large unit diversity. shogun 2 is great but it got boring because all the units are the same. if they did china that would be a problem
Xavier Turner
Because it's not a 4X game, why the fuck are you comparing it to HoMM and AoW? The point of the campaign in Total War is to give the player a way to fight battles and have a sense of progress instead of just doing custom games against the AI over and over with no context or goal.
Blake Martin
>ww2 might as well rip-off Company of Heroes by that point
This was just randomly opening about half of the battles of WW1 and all of them are longer than 2 weeks, most average about 2 months.
Austin Torres
Honestly, why the fuck even bother to get a license like Warhammer if yo uwont even care to do much with it?
Go play HoMm and AoW and others, the ygot campaigns too.
What we payed for is a fucking expensive mod for Total War.
Liam Perry
War of the Diadochi.
Matthew Hernandez
>Maybe even extend that timeline to something similar like Europa Universalis so you could explore the new world and put more emphasis on colonization. It will be like that, except it will only feature New World map
Isaiah Stewart
>What we payed for is a fucking expensive mod for Total War.
You need to leave. If you aren't satisfied by Total War Warhammer as a faithful Warhammer game then you might just want to kill yourself because nothing with satisfy your autism.
Gavin Cox
It wouldn't. Even if we ignored the trench warfare stuff Total War is extremely reliant on formations, but by WW1 came around firing lines were no longer a thing. The game can't function in any setting where troops aren't marching in close formations.
Levi Campbell
I've already played them and enjoy them. They have absolutely nothing to do with Warhammer and are completely different genres. You sound like a faggot that auto resolves every battle and then complains the game is boring.
Angel Reyes
>Also mass civilian genocide would have be prevalent, 30 years war was ugly as fuck.
I don't really understand what you want from total war games, are you sure you're in the right thread
Jace Ortiz
Every TW is just an expensive mod of S1
Justin Flores
Fuck off, faggot. Questing with your merry band to save angels and shit doesn't happen in the end times.
You can do overworld quests and everyone gets progressively more desperate and in Balthasar's case, insane.
Nolan Reyes
>other Swedish drink were they would pour molten metal down you throat.
Nathaniel Johnson
If trench warfare didn't dominate world war 1 why the fuck did the french waste a shitload of sheckles building a huge fucking static defensive line on the german border afterwards?
Grayson Harris
I agree, biggest problem with shogun 2 is that every faction is practically the same. Some have better ninjas, some have bonuses to cavalry etc but every game feels the same no matter what faction you choose.
Gabriel Johnson
>manure water >swedish drink
Grayson Jackson
Swedes really are some sick bastards.
Ian Ramirez
Because the French third republic was shit at war and fired their ministers of war habitually.
