Now that the dust has settled, why the fuck did Kojima use him over Hayter?

Now that the dust has settled, why the fuck did Kojima use him over Hayter?

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Because he's a better actor and a voice actor.

Full Body Motion capture one would assume.

because he need Hayter for metal gear 1

He had like 8 lines of dialogue anyway. It didn't matter

Because that's not big boss.

Why would he sound like hayter.

Because Hayter has done a fucking shit job since MGS2 and doesn't deserve any more VA roles in this industry.

>still hung up on hayter
user....

Big Boss is still voiced by him too.

This. Let it fucking go already, David.

but he doesn't even talk in the game

MGS5 requires professional actors for face and motion capture. hayter wasnt one

Who is this woman?

Hayter is shit and Kojima knew it for a long time, Hayter had to audition for MGS3 and 4 and they only kept using him because they didn't know who else to get. Do you REALLY think Hayter could have pulled off the "you're all diamonds" scene? Kiefer fuckin' killed it.

Kiefer voices both Venom and the real BB and their performances are markedly different.

Because Kojima had wanted to replace him for a while
Because Hayter would've costed more than Bauer
Because they needed someone to do facial capture
Because Kojima is a hack

It's a man

>Hatful Hayter wants to voice 5 lines of diologue
>Wants mirrions of dollas
>Needs to suck at least three gaJin dicks before acting

Don't let Hayter ruse you.

>le trap meme xD xD xD

No seriously, who's this hot woman? I want to know so I can find more pictures of her to fap to.

wrong. they used some other dude to mocap snake.

Source: a joosten lets play of mgsv

oh shit!

So why did they end up only do 5 lines of dialogue for a mirrion dollas?

bailey jay, she doesn't even have a feminine cock

because the game couldnt have any charm for the actual fans or else the fans would keep crying for MGS6 and not let kojima move on

Kiefer did the facial mocap though, the majority of the performance is all him

short legs

>she
>feminine cock

There's literally no such thing.

There could be

its just something people say to fish for (you)s

it worked

no bully pls

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lmaoo that niggas voice is deeper than mine holy fuck

This one can't actually be a trap, right? If so that's the most passing trap I've ever seen.

I honestly like Keifer and would have perfered it if he spoke more. I still believe that the real Big Boss should have been voiced by Hayter, having one man voice two characters is stupid. Hayter was already established as voicing Big Boss, it makes sense that he would do it again.

>voice
should have stuck with hayter

would it matter user

I mean, to me, yeah, but I'm still highly impressed

Because Kiefs like 2 speeches in the game were better than anything Hayter has ever done in his entire career

This is fact, deal with it

They didn't he did tons of voice work. Somebody uploaded all his lines to a soundcloud somewhere.

they literally only used 5 of the hundred of lines they recorded with him. People say Hayter was fucked over, but so was sutherland.

do you people even follow the series? hayter just wanted too much money. his per hour wage for recording was sky high

Sutherland didn't get screwed over, he got paid regardless, and it was a flat fee instead of per session like Hayter so it wasn't wasted money.

Kojima deliberately chose to cut a lot of the lines because he wanted Venom to be an avatar for the player.

It is

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Better actor? Sure.

Better VA? More subtle than Hayter maybe, but that just made Snake a giant fish out of water in a cast that's ANYTHING but subtle. The worst part was trying to watch a Japanese play through and hearing Akio Ohtsuka having to hold back to match Sutherland's "subtlety."

Come to think of it, everyone was kind of dialed down or phoned in. The only performance that was consistently good for the duration of the game was Robin Atkin Downes.

Anyone that thinks Sutherland was a good fit for not just Snake, but Metal Gear in general has no idea what made Metal Gear so charming and their judgement on the franchise is suspect.

Metal Gear is dead, and it went out in the past underwhelming way imaginable. I couldn't even bring myself to finish the game, I was so unimpressed with the entire thing, especially the characters and the surprising lack of whimsy and silliness.

It still fucking hurts.

>He plays Metal gear with the English VA and not the original Japanese.

We forgetting kojima wanted Kurt Russel as bb in mgs3 but hayder threw a fit

English is the definitive Metal Gear experience though

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7:42 in case there was any remaining doubt

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>Kurt Russel as bb in mgs3
That would've been fucking amazing

Imagine Kurt Russel then Sutherland as bb

Would feel better then hayter,
Old snake hayter then Sutherland

>peace Walker snake
Aka the old snake voice
Aka the game hayter called his worst performance

>kurt russel playing a kurt russel impersonation
I'm not sure how I would have felt about this.
keifer was fucking garbage and I would lose track of who was who talking during venom/ocelot/miller conversations.

Really I could easily tell them apart?

>but hayder threw a fit
Hayder is so annoying and to this day he still posts passive-aggressive Tweets about not being VA. Irritates me when a VA think they "own" a character, like him and Tara Strong with Harley Quinn.

>they paid Joosten 15M

LMAO

Honestly I feel like financially it would have just been better of Kojima swallowed his god damn autism and pride and just rehired Hayter instead because the reason we have so few lines of Snake in MGS:V was because it was literally costing thousands for each line Sutherland spoke compared to if they just hired Hayter they'd just have to pay him a solid paycheck/payment plan and not have to worry about the amount of lines they had.

Really if you think about it the whole reason why Venom was pretty much mute is really fucking stupid and borderline autistic of Kojima.

Thing is I never want to see Solid Snake voiced by someone else, Hayter should always play that character. Hayter however started to sound more raspy for Peace Walker, like he was still doing Old Snake. Sutherland sounded great, a more natural voice and not something forced.

I had a problem with Downes, he does this broken Kaz for TPP, sounding aggravated and kinda grizzled. But then there are some parts in the game where it's just his regular voice, like what was heard in PW and GZ, what you hear when he's trying to make the best hamburgers ever.

I don't know why people say he didnt have any lines in the game. He talks plenty through the cassett tapes.

Hayter's union which means his fee goes up everytime he returns to a role.

After every mainline game, spin off, and enhanced edition, he was just too expensive to bother with.

Hayter cost more

Well worth it Even if it's obviously bullshit

You literally don't know shit, kill yourself

Hayter himself even admitted it was probably cheaper in the end to hire Sutherland because he only had a flat fee, while Hayter per voice actor guild regulations was paid per session, he ended up getting like 1.5 million for MGS4 because that game was so fucking wordy

Venom being quiet was a STYLISTIC CHOICE because he is an avatar for the player you fucking mongoloids

first post the best post

I watched Phone Booth and I'm fucking mad.

Kiefer's voice is amazing. Deep, subtle and relaxing. And Kojima decided to leave him mute because Mad Max is cool. What the actual fuck.

I dunno, could you?

>Face capture
>He barely moves his mouth when talking

Okay, Thats a shitty excuse user and Stefani isn't even a professional actor, shes a weeb.

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I'd much rather hear Keifer than Hayter's comedy snake voice. His Snake in peacewalker was atrocious.

Hayter is still the only person that has voiced solid snake(in english).

I'm happy someone else has seen that movie and can experience my outrage. Sutherland is a solid actor with an amazing voice, and it really chaps my ass that he barley said anything. Even in the tapes, he was a mute. Does Kojima not get that self-inserts can still talk a lot?

>Voice director doesn't do his job right
>Hayter is shit!!


I'll never get the retards who think voice actors are alone on how a character is portrayed. Hayter did an amazing job in MGS1-3

Regardless if you suck kiefers cock or hayters the game was complete shit and I wish it never happened.

Not Kiefer's fault, they cut all his lines I believe.

Play the second mission again. This is how TPP was supposed to look like. Dialogue, personality, jokes. Interactive environment.

Venom actually talks.

Kris Zimmerman was the voice director the entire time from MGS1-4 you retard

Hayter just lost the ability to do the voice, MGS2 was his last decent performance.

no wonder why konami fired him.

Because Kojima has a hard-on for blockbuster media and will default to the biggest star he can get.

>H-he was shit because kojima desined him that way! I-It's the players avatar!

Just stop user. He was shit.

60% complete game

Konami didn't want to wait anymore, got impatient because Kojima was fucking about and not doing it in a timely manner, and made him finish the game in a year when he'd obviously planned it to come out much later.

I love how the episodic structure has allowed you fags to meme an entire 50 hours of game into existence. some stuff was cut sure, but you're deluding yourselves because you're mad you didn't like the story

You didn't like it =/= it was shit

It was an entirely different kind of performance, and Sutherland was still exponentially better than Hayter

Oh yeah, he totally did, especially when he did those ford commercials and on a few podcasts and sounds exactly the same.

You are just a fucking retarded who will suck koji's dick.

I said the voice director didn't do her job right, not that it was a different person. She clearly wasn't doing a good job. Also MGS3 was the best performance.

aaaaaaaaaaand /thread

Who cares, the game wouldn't have been any less shit if they used hayter to groan all of his lines.

>60%

That's already terrifying. 90% of the game is shit.

OKB Zero is the only good area.

The only good missions are the first ones and the last ones.

There's one good bossfight.

If that's 60% it couldn't be good anyway.

Hayter was asking for too much money, and Kojima wanted a different voice actor to voice Naked Snake ever since MGS3.

>I-it doesnt mean its shit if you don't like it!
>continues to talk about how he thinks sutherland is better and states it as fact


Take your own advice. By entirely different do you mean muddled and borderline drunk? He's a bad voice actor, He put more emotion into phone booth than he did MGS5

>you're mad you didn't like the story
How can you not be mad?

Kojima literally sacrificed everything to reference Bowie's song and Moby Dick. He's thinking that TPP is a Ishmael's tale while this faggot was basically a plot twist clue and the last remaining bit of personality in the game.

And he thinks that the only reason why people are mad is that Venom isn't BB.

Because he wanted a star in his game to express some raw emotion, and proceed to cut 80% of the voicelines.
I still think there's a play at hand here, we probably never played as BB in the entirety of V

Either way, I advise you to not get too attached to Space Skeleton-mask Spaceman.

Ha! Reminds me of this.

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This.

Koji wanted to replace him for a long time, Hayter did not portray an older Snake well at all. Go back and listen to him in 4 and PW, he's fucking horrible.

Venom is a confused man who no identity of his own whose own memories are clashing with the ones that were implanted onto him. It's a stylistic choice, he was given specific direction to emote through facial capture rather than being excessively wordy.

go listen to the tapes where Big Boss himself is actually talking, it's an entirely different performance. He cracks jokes and gets angry when Ocelot brings up the clones. He's the wiseass action hero protag we know from previous games.

and Hayter is objectively worse, fuck off if you think otherwise. Peace Walker BB is one of the worst performances I've ever heard

Nigger I'm saying that he worked on whatever he felt like, then got a deadline and rushed the rest of the parts that HAD to be finished before the game shipped, which explains the complete lack of polish that's never been a thing in Metal Gear. He explains fucking everything slowly in every other game, do you think he just suddenly decided "I don't want to do this thing" because he got lazy? Konami forced him to finish the game when he wanted to take his time.

Why do you think all of the story is on tapes? Because they didn't have the time or money to make cutscenes for that shit, and the ones that're in the game are ones they prioritized or already had finished.

Hayter has a range of "Solid Snake" to "Solid Snake with throat cancer". They definitely needed somebody else to play Venom and Sutherland was the right choice, despite the cries from nostalgiafags.

I'm with Hayter being Big Boss, since it emphasizes him getting older and less innocent
Hayter will always be Solid Snake though

kojimbo wanted hayter out since mgs 3

>Why do you think all of the story is on tapes? Because they didn't have the time or money to make cutscenes for that shit,

No, because they said FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING that this was going to be a Metal Gear focused on gameplay rather than excessively verbose cutscenes that take way too long to say nothing of value

>Hayter himself says it's his worst performance
>It's still better than having a nearly mute snake who mumbles all his lines

I still like Hayter snake no matter what you anons say

>excessively verbose cutscenes that take way too long to say nothing of value
So instead we have excessively verbose tapes that take way too long to say nothing of value. Bravo Kojima!

I LIKE GORGONZOLA ANYWAY
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In retrospect it does seem weird, especially since Venom barely talks.
Also I will always respect Hayter more because he is a genuine fan of MGS and games in general. Kiefer doesn't care about vidya.

>So instead we have excessively verbose tapes that take way too long to say nothing of value.

Yes, but at least these tapes are just supplementary stuff you can ignore if you so choose, most of them are no longer than 5 minutes at the most, and you can listen to them WHILE PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME

MGS4 was literally 11 hours of cutscenes and maybe 5 hours of gameplay

kepthyouwaitinuh

>but at least these tapes are just supplementary stuff you can ignore if you so choose
kek if they're bad why even make them in the first place

I don't think they're bad, you're the one saying that, faggot.

I'm saying that "bad" (your words, not mine) tapes that don't intrude on gameplay are a much less egregious offense than bad cutscenes that take up more than double the amount of time you spend playing.