What makes a minority character forced?

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Jesus christ you've got autism

>polygon

get out

>the minority trait is the first notable trait of the character
Mostly this one.

Personally, it's not so much that they add them but that 1) they shit on games that don't have them and 2) act like adding them improves the game significantly.

>the existance of that minority doesn't make sense in the game
Want to know how I know you are racist? When bigots determine that certain races "belong" in a videogame.

A lot of those have nothing to do with the game's creators or the game itself and are just things to do with the people who play them.

What does it matter what the fans say about the character?

yet you bitch when there is whites in african and asian setups

But OP never said anything about races, you're the one who started it.
If the first thing that comes to your mind is "evil white people are at it again!", that makes YOU a racist.

Morrigan > Manjaw > everyone else

Not quite. Look at The Witcher 3. It has a wide variety of races and fantasy cultures, yet it's accepted because it's part of the story.

Pointing out a single group and claiming they do not belong in a story that you are not in control of is something that is incredibly bigoted.

He would have been a better character if the marketing people didn't feel the need to climb to the mountains and announce that he's gay.

This. I don't give a shit about a characters gender/sexuality/etnicity/fursona as long as it isnt forced. I care about a good game, if the game is good I literally don't give a shit if the MC is a pansexual transgender lesbian midget nigger as long as it is realistic in the setting of the game and not shoved in my face.

Fully gay? As opposed to what, bisexual? Was the faggot in ME3 not gay enough?

> fully gay

The fuck does that mean?

If a character's defining characteristic is their sexual orientation or skin colour, they are a shit character and the writer is incompetent.

maybe its like cancer, you know how it infects certain percentages of the body or parts of an organ.

I'm pretty sure that previously any character that could be romanced by the same sex could also be romanced by the opposite sex, making them all bisexual.

This guy with the mustache is just a full on fag that only likes dicks.

It means he has underwent years of training to achieve Full Gay form.

>When bigots determine that certain races "belong" in a videogame.

Do african americans belong in a Romance of the Three Kingdoms game?

The character is defined by only one trait.

That's really it. Doesn't even have to be a minority trait. If your character is just a walking embodiment of one trait than your a hack that can't write for shit.

>small thread with only few posts
>10k total votes
This is rigged right??

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No, Steve is definitely exclusively gay.

Makes me wonder if this contagious part of society is gonna create a game where it only those type of people exist in the game, and no striaght people exist

It's probably a recurring shitpost thread.

If the character exists largely to represent a minority, for no other reason to represent them, even to the point of being marketed based on their minority representation, then they are forced.

Bioware are kings at this. The best example I can think of is that irrelevant gay crew member, Steve, I think his name was, from Mass Effect 3. I don't know if there were a single conversation with him that didn't involve his dead husband. He was clearly created simply to be an exclusively gay character.

Can you go beyond gay?

Dorian was the best party member in inquisition
His personal quest wasn't even about him being gay, it was about him not wanting to marry and have children with some girl who he knew was gonna be unhappy with him
His dad wasn't
>you can't be gay
His was
>you can be whatever you want, but you better give us a grandchild with this woman
And he was funny

Full-Blown Gay
HOLY SHIT!!! LOL!!!
The Gay Virus
Bioware's games should come stamped with a warning that says "This game can potentially give you Aids"

As long as he is cute then it's ok. He is cute right?

So he's an incredibly selfish, worthless piece of shit, then.

Yeah, in fiction. If you get so gay, you somehow manage to turn into the opposite gender, you technically become straight.

when it's there for the express purpose of representation. you can have "diverse" characters in a game without shoehorning it in after developing the character. everything in your poll comes after that fact so all of those points are simply symptoms of a forced minority in a game.

a gay dude in a game shouldn't be rubbing his sexuality in your face (depending on the type of game of course) it should be subtle and come out eventually if you choose to pursue the characters story or in a fixed party game, during the relationships that the characters develop with one another.

jiggaboos, spics etc are different. if there is a human race and you go from city to city, it would be nice to see blacks where they belong (in the jungle) and sand people in the desert. everything should be explainable ingame, if there is just a random person of any colour or whatever that differs from the norm then that is forcing a minority. it isn't even hard to inject minority representation into a game without forcing it, the only reason to have inexplicably in your face gay or negro characters is that the dev is a social justice hack or a spineless worm. you get to create a world and instead of creating backstory you aim to tackle social issues on a superficial level like that?
it's fucking insane and a waste of an outlet for imagination.

This is a gay beyond game, I guess you could call it gay 2

That sounds dangerous. I wouldn't want to meet a man who has gone into the hypergay and come back to tell of it.

whats funny about these kinds of things is that each character requires a certain amount of assets. they'd never made the characters fully gay because at their CEO board meetings they'd determined a gay character was WORTH LESS than a straight character. which is why they waited so long to put a fully gay one in, because it was losing them money

How many yuri and straight options compared to faggot ones are in this game?

Forced in a story is only when it is their defining trait and/or it distracts from the main story or arcs that are not to do with that

No, but Africans should be included in any game with Oda Nobunaga.

Would the chinese be an appropriate inclusion in a game about the revolutionary war? Would you cry racist if I didn't include them or muslims in it?

He's a pretty powerful mage, I wouldn't say he's worthless and I don't see how refusing an arranged marriage is selfish

This isn't your average every day gayness. This is, ADVANCED gayness.

You haven't seen the trap threads?

I don't get this shit. You can be gay and like dicks without being a complete fag about it.

wait but wouldnt it be like, guy -> gay -> girl -> les -> guy?

There's this hideous lesbian elf
Dorian at least looks attractive

It's the definition of selfishness. If you're a noble you marry with another house and produce heirs for the sake of your family and the stability of your land. Whether you like the woman is irrelevant, whether she likes you is irrelevant.

It sounds like being gay is the least bad thing about this guy.

Honestly Dorian wasn't that bad.
Thing about "gay" characters is it shouldn't be the only feature you remeber a while after playing the game. Dorian was also a pompous asshat so there that.


But really though, imagine if a game tried to play off a character's main feature as "being straight"

His father was right though, a woman for responsibility a man for fun.

when their character is simply that they're gay/black not a well-written character who happens to have those traits

Dorian wasn't annoying. He was just boring, like most of the characters in the game. Like most of the game in general, actually.

More concerned that DA:I had one of the worst villains I've ever seen in any game ever.

The worst sin this game committed aside from being the most shilled terribly written piece of garbage that year was ruining Morrigan.

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you just gave me a hilarious idea for an age of empires game about developing civilisation where you appear to start in the stone age with only blacks but then you get a perk or dev option called "visitors from another land" with a picture of a white dude in a boat and suddenly you can make things with wheels and shit.

holy fucking shit the tears would be delicious.

Now in complete fairness, it's not like they wrote the STRAIGHT party members any better. Near every conversation with a romancable crew member was shoddy flirting.

>Talk to Aiden in 1 as fem shep
>So do you take interest in all your crew or

Yes. Im the captain. It's my exact job to know what everyone's deal is.

>what makes a minority character forced?

me not liking them

Honestly Sup Forumss bitching about the wrong "politicly correct" character here.
NOW THIS BITCH.
God dam what an insufferable bitch
>still end up using here cause Knight enchanters where op as fuck

Kaidan isn't straight.

Oh sure, but those characters weren't created specifically to fill a token role. They made characters and then they made shitty romance dialogue for them.

Characters like Steve were created just so they could have a gay man in their game.

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Fuck it, I'll bite

Every one of the things on the poll is cancer, but I think the worst is when it's touted around as oh so progressive when the character is just a flat 2d cutout that says "I'm so gay" every once in a while. As long as consumers and devs keep treating it like a big deal, it will never be a normal thing like they want it to be. Here's an idea, make a god, well rounded character, then just make it so you can romance them as any gender. dont advertise it, dont make a fuss, dont make a 5 minute sequence about how gay the 2 of you are.

Yes.

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Shit like this is why Kevin Spacey remains in the closet and i don't blame him for it.

Yeah it's pretty fucking irritating. I couldn't talk to Jacob in ME2 because the instant you open dialog your character immediately goes into full cocklust mode. Just one of many reasons that Bioware makes bad games with shit "roleplaying".

>Oh sure, but those characters weren't created specifically to fill a token role.
Every character in a Bioware game is a cardboard cutout archetype they've reused in every game they've ever made that they just follow a checklist for.

He's not really in the closet. He goes out with guys and shit. He just doesn't talk about it with the media, and they don't talk about it either for some reason.

Honestly I think the industry would be a better place if romance options in RP's weren't a thing. There's hundreds of gay/bi/whatever VN's out there, keep your shitty romance writing there

I don't know, but we can try.
FAGGOTS OF THE WORLD, LEND ME YOUR POWER

and how many of them are gay just because gay?
who gives a shit about bioware anyway.

If I don't include Chinese monks or Germans hijacking planes on 9/11 is that racist?

I kinda like it, it's the way it should be. People are allowed to do what they want and nobody makes a big deal about it.

too bad it's the real world

>He doesn't know the truth of the eternal Kraut

she would have been hot if she wore a weave like a normal black girl

Yes to all of those.

a lot of people apparently.
All my friends GF's and mine too only play shit like ME and Dragon age, and they can't hear anyone talk about games for a second without mentioning how cool it is that you can be gay in inquisition

When it's the only defining trait of the character.

Nips do what whitu piggu don't.

>be femshep
>walk into black guy's room
>porno music starts playing

because Kevin Spacey is one of those professional actors that act and dont flop around in public to be fawned over, he keeps his private life private so the characters he plays are their own and not an extension of himself.

the thing that I think makes a character forced is that the character is written poorly.

What the Japanese do is take a character that looks and sounds exactly like a woman and say, "No, it's actually a dude!"

And that's cheating.

how is that cheating? they made a character without using their gender/sexuality as the most interesting thing about them.

The worst part is that Jacob ended up being incredibly dull AND stereotypical as he cheats on you if you date him.

Asians do it in real life too so it's not cheating at all.

>And that's cheating
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When they tout it.

No, their transexuality is the most interesting thing about them. The thing is, it isn't forced. It's actually relevant and was done for thematic purposes.

Just like when Atlus does futa it's thematic.

and those are the filthy casuals that shitty companies like bioware are pandering to. if you play a game because a dude can be gay then you aren't playing a game because you like it. if you like a game because you can be a faggot then you're the reason we get shitty games.

A well written gay character isnt defined by his orientation

Also subtlety

:V

one.
guy.
one.

is it 'yeah man, I like dudes. can we move on' or is it 'OH YEAH BABY PUT IT IN MY POOPER SILLY BOY' gay

its not the most important/only part of the character though.

well Id argue it is, but in this instance it's plot relevant so it works.

There's not an absolute "rule" in regards to writing but at the bare minimum a character needs to be more than a single trait OR if that trait is their defining characteristic it needs to be plot relevant.

>not forced
>thematic purposes

Those are contradictory. By virtue of a theme you are forcing a concept to be entertained rather than emerging as a development.

I suppose I didn't make it clear, I think it's shit too, but it works

Goku is voiced by a a granny.

literally all of the above

Everything is "forced" in the sense that it happens because the writer wanted it to. They wanted it to happen because it fit their vision and whatever themes they wanted to explore.

My meaning of forced is inserting something that has no place.

that's what most feedback i see, a badly written minority character hurts the devs credibility on both their ability to represent and the writing of the game

making a highlight on that character will only highlight its badly done character and poor writing

Wait Kevin Spacy is gay?