McCree/Widow Nerfs confirmed patchnotes

Apparently these are the changes made to McCree and Widowmaker

[McCree]
Alternate fire
Damage decrease from 70 to 45
Time before reloading decrease from 0.75 seconds to 0.3

[WidowMaker]
Alternate fire (Snipe)
Base damage decrease from 15 to 12
(damage multiplier from charging doesn't change)
Headshot damage multiplier increase from x2 to x2.5
Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish
Infra-Sight (Ult)
Ultimate charge cost increased by 10%
Bug Fixed

Sauce is from the Taiwanese blizz forums
tw.battle.net/forums/zh/overwatch/topic/3446144877

What do you think?

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If that McCree nerf is legit that's way steeper than I thought.

Widowmaker needs a health nerf.

>damage decrease from 70 to 45

wow wtf I hate mccree now

>McCree can still fth, roll then fth again to kill nearly every tank in one second

What's the point of the nerf, then? I thought it was meant to stop him from gibbing tanks

That sounds reasonable, let's see how it works out.

So 120 Dmg Bodyshots?

Yes.

(45x6)x2+25 is still 565 fucking damage
You SHOULD have to hit every bullet to bring a tank down that fast

This limits him to 270 damage per clip rather than 420. Fan-the-hammer can't do headshots (criticals).

Why nerf heroes that don't need it when torb is still beyond fucking broken?

>Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
>after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish

That's actually a pretty massive nerf to situational awareness.

Also means 120 Dmg bodyshots so she can no longer one-hit Tracer and Zenyatta without headshots.

I'm okay with this.

I thought they announced they weren't going to touch Widowmaker until ranked was released?

That's what I'm saying. Assuming the roll reload is untouched he'll still kill anything apart from Roadhog with his combo

Overall still gives more opportunity for a healer or yourself to be able to react being that full body shot is 450->270 if this is true.

Also glad to see widow can no longer OHKO people with body shots+fixing the bug where you can always have 100% charge if you're constantly sighting&unsighting.
Also made it hard as piss to sneak up to someone doing that since they aren't scoped that long normally.

Completely missed Widowmaker Nerf.

She needs HP reduction and Grapple Nerf. 120 Dmg Bodyshot is still too high. Her Ulti is still broken as fuck. It takes literally 1 shot more to charge now.

And the most importantly - her Assault Mode wasn't nerfed so Genji can still suck it.

Why its still a oneshot on any non tank character without shields or armor it just isn't killing roadhog.

The point of the nerf is to make it bad for shitters, most people don't hit everyshot with FtH so even the 'full' or double combo with a couple of misses isn't enough to solo out a tank.

Like this is exactly what they said they'd do how is this not fine?

t.consolefag

>Neuter McCree
>Make it so Widowmaker gets completely outclassed by Hanzo

I mean if these are true, god damn. Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations but leave Hanzo alone.

>Fan the hammer has a possible damage output of 270
>He can still flashbang/fan/dash/fan every sub 600HP hero

Higher end widows would do this dance where they constantly spam zoom/unzoom, that had to be fixed.

It begins. Blizzard nerfs a character, notice that the number of players using that character bottoms out, so they hand out ridiculous nerfs to other characters, which also causes users to drop those characters, until they only have to maintain two characters.

>Base damage decrease from 15 to 12

this means a bodyshot will do 120 at full charge? i dont play widow so dont know how the charging works

I take it that you play the console version.

Don't forget that most tanks have armour.
New combo: Flashbang (25) + FTH (270) + Combat Roll (0) + FTH (270) = 565 damage
New combo vs armor: Flashbang (20) + FTH (240) + Combat Roll (0) + FTH (240) = 500 damage

when does this come out?

That's all? no other tweaks on other heroes?

now widowmaker will be even less of a contribution to the team.

most of Sup Forums thinks shes op because they play solo queue where everyone pushes the choke 1 by 1 with no rienhart.

even in my lvl 50-100 groups ive seen god tier widowmakers on enemy team the majority of the time we win. The problem is that people dont switch as she is only good for defending certain points

Yes.
This week. Might be today, might be tomorrow, this week atleast.

Yeah it's base * XXX
so 50% charge equals 60 damage and so forth

Still enough to easly kill D.Va. You just reload after the second FTH and finish her off with casualshot.

>Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations
It's to stop a glitch exploit in a very easy way.

Really, though, Widowmaker needs more limitations, since she's currently the single most anti-fun character in the game by far.

>baaawww I have to aim now wtf ;-;

I already shat on McGees as Mei.
Now it's going to be hilarious.

If a Genji dies to a Widowmaker with her using her smg mode only, that Genji is bad and should stop playing him immediately.

I've been playing symettra lately. I'm winning most of my matches, but I don't feel like I am using turrets efficiently

>Single most anti-fun character
>Forgetting about Mei.

Why? her smg does more dps than Soldier 76's rifle.

I think it will be enough as its actually pretty rare for a mcree to actually hit every bullet in his fans

>no D.va buff
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I may be retarded but as far as I can tell his manual reload will now be half the time it is on live? I can deal with that if that's the case.

Because Deflect exists.

press E and shift. gengi is a great counter to widow.

>I think it will be enough as its actually pretty rare for a mcree to actually hit every bullet in his fans
On normal sized heroes yes, but on big ass tanks? No.

Should've given widowmaker less health. Why does zenyatta have less?

Totally this. I need to know what they will buff.

There's a slight delay before the reload animation begins, they reduced this delay.

he still murders half the cast instantly, the problem was he was deleting tanks effortlessly as well.

> falling for Deflect in 2016
Seriously, in higher winrate matches Deflect is like a temporal shield that does nothing to you. You simply stop shooting.

>Widow Nerf

Now I can have fun again.

>still has a weapon barely worse than 76
>200 hp with the smallest hitbox in the game
>still zero counter play for her ult
BRILLIANT, she will still completely trash high level games

His manual reload will start earlier, before it started at 0.75 sec and now at 0.3

Symettra's turrets are useless against decent players who shoot them at first sight, they become a minor annoyance compared to the area of denial asspain to newbies and mediocre players.

The best tactic I find is to use all six turrets on an out of the way path flankers will likely use, and camp nearby to finish off anyone who tries to sneak by.

would have liked a widow health nerf but they got all the important stuff

This is also a decent plan for mei. You catch most anyone but Hog alone and they're dead.

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD HE REIGNS!

>See a Mei
>Take two steps backwards and shoot
>Kill the Mei
As opposed to
>See a Widowmaker
>She's a half mile away so that it's impossible to do enough damage to her to save you
>She already saw you anyway and is aiming right at you
>Shoots you three times to kill you and there ain't shit you can do

thats not even remotely true.

Defense matrix
And D.Va really isn't a tank

>Headshot damage multiplier increase from x2 to x2.5

For what purpose?

It's completely true for most ranges since it has no falloff but soldier does, it also has more bullets

dude people still fall for deflect, and widow doesn't have an out put running. gengi does a shit ton of damage on her with throwing stars. if she fires on you, just deflects. if not you just hit shift and keep hitting her. even spaming alt fire can kill a decent widow.

>he doesn't play against Meis that shit on everyone with M2
How does it feel being a shitter?

>mfw faggots don't have an excuse anymore to get killed by a mccree
>primary fire untouched and more devastating
>faster reload animation start

So that headshot damage is unchanged, just bodyshot.

>What do you think?

Fix your goddamn networking and tickrate shit. and also hitboxes

She's more a sniper, turret, and tele hunter+live forever payload holder.

They didn't nerf Widowmaker enough and as it stands there's still no reason to not have her hitscanning 1 shotting ass in every match (assuming whoever's playing her isn't garbage). Why do they insist on compensating such an overpowered character with buffs when they make adjustments? At the very least they should have also nerfed charging speed and/or her health to 150.

Are there any other changes to more heroes?

I main zarya, flashbang combo does a maximum of 445 damage but even when my shield is on CD its incredibly rare for me to get killed without him rolling.

Yeah, the only thing that worries me is that it'll now take fucking five out of 6 bullets to kill Widowmaker and if you're not literally hugging her ass when you pop that rmb it's totally luck if your spread won't fuck you out of nailing her tiny ass hitbox.

Has it right. Not just for Mcree, but for Genji, too.

>no d.va buff
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interested what they will do about lucio, on payload game modes if you have a lucio+mercy combo you basically already won with half competent teammates, and on koth niggas go double lucio. they need a hero that somehow disrupts him since he has no counter.

>See a Mei at close range
>She has already frozen you and one shotted you by the time you think to run away
>Manage to get her to low enough health to make he feel threatened? LOLINVINCIBLEWALLHEAL.

As opposed to

>See a widowmaker
>Don't stand in plain sight because you (hopefully) aren't a retard.
>Flank and kill widowmaker, which should be easy as her smg may as well be a BB gun.

Well that's good, I guess. I'm kinda bummed that in the beta I saw very few people play him, fewer still played him well and yet in live apparently he's the most broken character alive if people are to be believed. Kinda sucks considering my romaticastion of the cowboy aesthetic.

Was he or is he really that broken? Or is it the same as the Bastion/Mei/Widowmaker/Torb/etc. complaints?

>2.5 headshot multiplier

Release me from this meme hell

Why no zenyata buff? Literally the most useless character in the game because of his HP.

to keep the headshot damage around the same while nerfing body damage only.
Zenyatta and Tracers couldn't take the heat, this keeps them alive unless they get headshot which is fair.

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please use the appropriate board for your discussion from now on

I think the nerf was because she was miles better than Hanzo in a sniper role, Hanzo required you to be skillful with the bow, Widow you can shoot surprisingly fast with the sniper, way faster than fully charged bow.

>>Don't stand in plain sight because you (hopefully) aren't a retard.
Yes, that's very easy to do while pushing an objective through an open area through chokeholds with vantage points in every direction.

Mei is fucking garbage kill yourself, the only thing that saves her kit is her alt-fire

If you're getting frozen you are complete garbage considering it's piss poor range and most classes can get out of it for free

Zen is fine, his biggest problem (and almost exclusively why he's at the bottom of the tier list) is because before this supposed Widow nerf, Widow shit all over him. Easily the single hardest counter in the entire game

that mccree nerf sucks, tracers are going to get away.

>t. shitter

bastion and mei complaints are from shitters that can't counter pick. mcree wasn't that bad, but his flashbang+fan the hammer was not fair because most characters instantly die from that and it's not hard to pull off

He won't actually, all tanks except roadhog have armor. Which reduces damage taken by half up to a maximum of 5 per hit.

So only if McCree hits all his shots with fan + roll + fan (which is practically impossible with the huge spread) he does 540 damage which will be mitigated to

>Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations but leave Hanzo alone.
Because her gun is hitscan

He is broken and a unfun character to play against. He destroys everything youtu.be/rtMaaxTpags?t=22

>Widowmaker wasn't even nerfed
>going to delete tanks effortlessly now

reward skill and punish le body shot double tapping horse shit

He still dies to everything in 2 hits though. Widow can still just as easily kill him and because he's not fast and doesnt have any escapes he's still easily shat on by everything.

lul wut they did nothing to his stun and she has 150 health.

The range is actually fairly high, it easily outrange McCree's stun for example.

Maybe flash fan won't be the answer to every hero and every situation. I think in that situation leading with a headshot then fanning would still destroy widow

OH YES
TAKE THAT MCCREE AND WIDOWFAGS

>all tanks except roadhog have armor.
and Zarya

widow nerf is a huge buff to zenyatta, means he has a chance of surviving a body shot to get to cover.

McCree is the most broken character in the game for this version.

Can you keep your mouse pointer on an enemy and press two buttons? Congratulations, you are guaranteed to kill that enemy. Rinse and repeat and you'll be winning games in no time.

He just does that much damage that nothing can stand up to him, this nerf is very welcome.

you cant put a whole clip in to someone during the duration of stun.

He could dish out 840 damage within 2 seconds, all while stunning you at the start.

The nerf didn't do anything to him in regards to killing half the cast easily.

He's still a great offense character, his ultimate auto locks on to his whole FOV and you can cancel it to save 50% ulti meter, or if you're killed during it you keep 50% as well.

He's not underpowered whatsoever.