>You will never be 10 years younger >You will never participate in a 3 hour WSG match >You will never participate in a 24 hour Alterac Valley match >You will never fight in a Southshore/Tarren Mill raid >You will never ask around in Iron Forge chat for a DM group >You will never bond with you online friends during a 5 hour LBRS dungeon run >Your Guild will never disband because they keep wiping to C'thun >You will never take part in an outdoor raid against Lord Kazzak, Green Dragons and Azuros >You will never experience the opening of Ahn Qiraj
How does it feel to know that Vanilla WoW is never coming back Sup Forums?
Evan Gomez
>24 hour Alterac Valley match The fuck nigga, where you from. This never happened
Jacob Russell
I honestly think vanilla wow is one of the best and most important games of all time. It is looking likely that we'll get official legacy servers tho.
Ryan Walker
>Studios won't just make a decent sandbox game
Jackson Rivera
Not OP but:
Mate, Ive been in AVs that lasted for whole days. Did you really play vanilla?
Xavier Diaz
You need to be at least 18 years old to post here champ.
Anthony Bell
there's plenty of sandbox games out now, just no sandbox MMOs because the audience is so niche that it's unprofitable in the longrun.
Dominic Gonzalez
Setting my alarm clock to 4 am so I could farm thorium in peace.
I miss having shit tons of free time.
Joshua Flores
Yes it did. Some lasted for several days. I've experienced all those things though.
Liam Robinson
How would anybody know the niche's popularity? There is a single sandbox MMO, and it fucks off players with 20y of skill queues.
Brody Young
it's not gonna have the playerbase to be worth it. a lot of people are just glad there's something to be righteous about after Nostalrius was shut down. these people are gonna lose their fervour for the thing at around level 10. the servers will be up for 6 months total and dead after 2 screen cap this
Lucas Powell
>user posts baseless implications Wew.
Leo Flores
>You will never be forced to cooperate with other people in an MMO to get the best loot ever again
Thomas Morgan
vanilla sucked ballls
Luke Foster
A sense of grief, and also relief It sucked up so much time, but was fun
Sebastian Taylor
3 hour WSGs/several day long AVs were a massive pain in the ass, not fun vanilla in general was fun but i wouldn't want to play it again
Kevin Parker
Had one last 76 hours on my realm
Joshua James
you suck balls
Adam Brooks
yes on my serv was days sometimes but day was common, it was fun to see this huge war n where it led. was tactical n fun.
Jack Jenkins
I never went to ahn Qiraj but I did all of those other things and it was fucking horrible. Especially the battlegrounds and getting a dungeon group.
James Howard
...
Easton Campbell
>You will never go 'WOAH' when you see a Grand Marshall/High Warlord
Gavin Fisher
>24 hour average duration on my server was 2 days and that was with horde being the underdogs
Evan Stewart
>You will never have stress dreams about naked Gnome Rogues stun-locking you, dancing, than killing you in an AV battle
Evan Miller
Other than opening Ahn'Qiraj and Tarren Mill/actual world PVP, the rest of that shit got old really fucking quick. You'll also never have to deal with
>not being able to find groups for any of that shit >40-man raid fight mechanics consisting of interrupt this spell to win or priest remove curse >40-man raids still being utter garbage and the bottom 30 are carried by the top 10 >consistently wiping because aggro was wonky as shit and dps literally could not handle looking for a 3 on top of the sunder armor tooltip before popping all cds in the first 10 seconds of the fight >everything that wasnt a warrior a priest or a mage being subpar >everything being balanced around warrior priest and mage >druids couldnt hurt anyone but a half-way decent druid was literally unfucking killable in pvp >druid healing lol >DKP >having to grind 9001 hours for BoE world drops because they were BiS over raid epics because blizzard couldnt balance
The current world bosses are pretty much fucking identical, experience wise, to old world bosses, minus having to dredge your realm for hours on end to get a group together.
I do miss Reck-bombing motherfuckers, though.
Unless you actually just like terrible shit (who am I kidding, it's Sup Forums), Vanilla WoW was not a better game than it is now. It may have been a better sandbox social-club for NEET losers, but it wasn't a better game.
Juan Bailey
There were ones much longer than that. When I was 11 I played 2 hours of an Alterac valley match, handed the controls off to my dad (he played WoW all the way up to Cata, then quit) who then played 3 hours, I took it for 2 more hours, and the match still wasn't done.
Eli Turner
>implying blizzard can't afford a loss for good pr
Aaron Fisher
For real? Damn man. AV was pretty chill for me. It was like its own persistent zone where you could come home from school, hop into AV and go fish, talk to people, maybe kill a rogue trying to harass your NPCs etc. Then in a day or so they final push would come often with an elemental lord and you'd either win or go another day and the enemy would push and the match would pretty much be decided. It was cool - though hell if you were 51 and just wanted that damn Ice-barbed Spear. Such a great weapon.
Nathaniel Taylor
>You will never be 10 years younger
whoa
Josiah Long
>not being able to find groups for any of that shit You instantly open with some retarded ass shit. Make some friends and join a guild, finding groups for anything becomes rarely ever a problem.
Just skimming through the rest of your post >druid healing lol Druids were incredibly good raid healers. At least 1-2 was standard in every 40 man.
>Vanilla WoW was not a better game than it is now. You need to be at least 18 years old to post on Sup Forums.
Gabriel Powell
All the battlegrounds and all I got was the title of 'Scout' though I was usually on the losing side.
>priest remove curse I wish I could, mages are shit at it
Samuel Sanchez
Play a private server
David Cruz
druids weren't that good to have until they changed it and allowed multiple hots of the same kind on a target, then people liked them otherwise priests were the champs for healing vanilla I didn't ever raid as horde during vanilla so I dont know about shamans
Cooper Lewis
>druids weren't that good to have until they changed it and allowed multiple hots of the same kind on a target You don't need HoT stacking for 1-2 Druids to be amazing for raid healing, you just split up group assignments. You don't have a lot of experience with the game, do you?
Nolan Hughes
I have only ever played Vanilla.
Is it true nowadays you LFG across all servers so you just level up by staying in a city and running dungeons? You don't need to physically fight mobs and go to the entrance?
Angel Foster
unless you're down ranking all of your hots, you're going oom unless you waste the innervate on yourself instead of the priest doing the actual healing
i started raiding around the time bwl was released, it's been a while but pretty sure I've actually been there and not a private server with all the patches
I don't remember how many druids we ran with, around 1 or 2 probably but the only one was decent and was always outshined by everybody else. once said patch hit that I mentioned earlier (it was during naxx I believe) we stacked druids and priests because hots made everything easier, I remember particularly maexxna
Sebastian King
Because there were many sandbox MMOs before and after WoW and they all died.
Now you're left with Oldschool Runescape private servers and EVE online.
Xavier Parker
Correct.
>unless you're down ranking all of your hots, you're going oom Every healer downranks everything. Every healer goes oom very quickly. Innervate was used on either or, depending on who was more important for the particular encounter you were on. Druids were standard raid healers.
Brayden Allen
>you will never have nostalgia for a shitty theme park mmo
feels good
Elijah Carter
Is there any point to having 2 factions in WoW?
Luke Gomez
pvp
Sebastian Hernandez
Only during vanilla world pvp, otherwise it's just for lore.
Alexander Myers
What are you smoking? Legacy servers have been confirmed.
John Stewart
>there were many sandbox MMOs before >in 2004 >especially not since 2010 The implications are off the charts, user. Maybe try bringing an actual argument and statistics.
Luke Wright
No they haven't. Just some fucks at Nost visited blizzard and implied it may have been more than pr but everybody with a brain knows it was just that, pr
Wyatt Perez
Isn't PVP dead due to LFG battlegrounds? That was the only time horde and alliance get to interact on the same server.
Jonathan Clark
Good >WoW finally dies >better MMO releases
Logan Clark
MMOs are dead friend, there isn't anything new coming
Blake Reed
You forgot Linkens boomerang, tidal charm, engineering reflectors, gnomish death ray, magic dust, rocket boots, mithril insignia, mithril boots, spider belt, goblin rocket helmet and Death Grips. If you don't know what these are you don't know shit about Vanilla and you're the cancer that killed PvP.
Anthony Rivera
There's no WPvP because there's no reason to be in zones.
There's still plenty of action on servers that have decent faction ratios. ED has raids into Stormshield abundantly.
Hudson Rodriguez
>mfw people can now get "replica" grand marshal gear despite not even being born when vanilla was released
Austin Phillips
I thought the armor and weapons weren't able to be transmogged
What's an actual crime is bringing back the titles
Parker White
As a vanilla player; in my opinion the feeliest feel is:
>you will never experience the level 1 - 60 journey on vanilla again (on your first character)
Gavin Cook
Oh but it can come back. I don't even miss being young. I don't miss not having any problems in my life. I don't miss having no uncertainity in my future.
But I do fucking miss vanilla, I do miss STV where it's kill or be killed, I do miss glorious worldboss fights, I do miss charging through a crowd of enemy players just to reach the raid entrance and I do miss actually making friends in game just because I help them kill that nasty-ass rogue. And I miss all of those things most of all because I experienced them 3 months ago, on Nostalrius. And now they're gone.
But they can return. If Blizzard remakes legacy, all those things will return again. It's not about nostalgia, it's not about us being younger and grass being greener or some other shit. It's about the game, the game that is better than anything we have now.
Owen Parker
rrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee
Josiah Reed
Vanilla WoW was awful in retrospect. It had a bunch of glaring game design issues.
Classes were largely inbalanced. Rogues abilities had minimum scaling with gear since their abilities had high base damage, often leading to naked rogues being able to dominate fully geared people. Paladins were expected tank because healing was a joke compared to priest or shaman and retribution offered pitiful DPS in both single/multitarget and utility compared to mage or warrior. The list goes on and on.
Specs were illusion of choice, there was always a objectively best cookie cutter spec for PVE and PVP that's been theorycrafted and proven to be the most optimal. So you often ran into people abusing the same shitty talents until they get nerfed for that specific piece of content.
Endgame largely consisted of farming the same repeated endgame instances each week for a chance to obtain higher item level gear. After being raidlocked for that week, you spent the rest of your week either AFKing on your mount in a major city hoping for a PVP BG queue, waiting something to happen in trade chat, or you were grinding your ass off killing mobs in Wintergrasp or some high level area farming money and materials to prepare for your "epic" raid next week (especially if you were doing Naxx40). If you were too casual to do that, you most likely made dozens of alts and were leveling those until your raid lockout reset or new content came out 6+ months later.
Vanilla was utter shit from a game design perspective. It was literally a skinnerbox Themepark that raped Warcraft RTS lore and catered to casual players who couldn't handle Everquest or even a MUD.
Christopher Clark
>Rogues abilities had minimum scaling with gear 5 seconds into your post and you're already making a huge joke out of yourself. An incredibly well-known rogue PvP video made fun of retards like you literally 10 years ago.
Jack Hughes
>Classes were largely inbalanced.
Oliver Scott
shut the fuck up, your shitty game killed the entire genre. I hate wowbabies.
Nicholas Cox
World of Roguecraft was literally an insight into how garbage Vanilla WoW was and how incompetent Blizzard was at class balance.
Joshua Foster
I did all of that though, and I loved it.
Nolan Scott
TBC > Vanilla
Brody Cruz
FUCK YOU
Justin Davis
Yes, and most issues adressed were gradually fixed towards late vanilla. Underpowered warlocks? See Drakedog 1vX'ing people. Overpowered warriors or rogues? See Vurtne 1vX'ing them or defeating T2 geared ones naked. WoW as seen in 1.12.1 is literally a perfect game.
Not to mention that roguecraft was obviously directed at people not very accustomized to PvP which is forgiveable given how young the game was back then, since it seriously mentions "the surprise advantage" which will make any serious PvP'er laugh today.
Anthony Hernandez
>artificial fun doesn't count pretty good. I'm glad it's over and people can't enjoy it anymore, only idolize the good and forget the bad.
Luis Walker
What genre? MMORPGs were garbage until WoW appeared.
Samuel Long
>mfw haven't had access to the internet during childhood >watched Warcraft yesterday
I feel like I missed out on so many good things in my youth.
Joshua Howard
well it's not over yet user :^)
Anthony Parker
Have you ever tried reliving it, or are you afraid that it won't live up to your memories? Vanilla is still great even today, on shitty private servers
Ayden Anderson
AND THANK GOD FOR THAT
Jason Gomez
You can't make this shit up...
Zachary Sanchez
>expansion that introduced welfare pvp gear on par with current raid content >good
Ethan Garcia
Vanilla is not great today, it's a post Legacy of Steel Everquest model MMO.
James Perez
underage wod kiddie detected
Nathan Rodriguez
>Rogues abilities had minimum scaling with gear Horseshit, outside of garrote(fucking worthless, breaks your CC) it was only a finishing move, eviscerate. Which didn't do a whole lot of damage and was only used in PvP since slice and dice scaled far better.
And pallies didn't fucking tank, they were the best healers by far once they had some +healing and crit because of the ridiculous mana efficiency.
You're not wrong but you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Camden Scott
rose tinted glasses
David Johnson
Never played Everquest. But I played fucking vanilla on Nostalrius and had much more fun than in Cata or MoP.
Oliver Butler
>resub to wow >only 3-4 high pop servers left >the only horde one is a pvp server >transfer my main there because its where most of my friends that still play have moved to >start trying to level >constantly camped by max levels >doesn't matter what time of day I play there's constantly a 100 camping lowbies in leveling zones >game is too dead to get help at non peak hours I should've just stayed on my shitty dead server I hate world pvp in this game
Alexander James
This. Vanilla WoW was probably one of the more balanced PvP versions. Especially with talent trees being so flexible compared to "choose your perk simulator"
Adam Campbell
>being ganked by flying overpowered xx_godofdeath_xx >world pvp Stop perpetrating this dumb meme. Greykilling is greykilling.
Joshua Ortiz
What made Vanilla so good? I just remember the community on multiple realms being toxic as fuck in PVP just like League of Legends and the game tried really hard to cater to casuals on the forums who complain a lot which made the game what it is today.
Logan Ortiz
>"Paladins were expected tank"
Logan Miller
If I do go back, I'll do Burning Crusade, so I can be a hunter belf
Wyatt James
Vanilla was when it wasn't casual. Everyone who doesn't like vanilla is most likely underage or started at wotlk or later.
Kayden Sanchez
this has to be copy-pasta
Gavin Martinez
That epic feeling when you were a newbie and you did deadmines for the first time.
Christian Bell
b..but they met with the nost devs, they'll announce vanilla servers at blizzcon right..?
Michael King
The community was "toxic" because on each realm, there was competition. Between guilds, between premades, between factions. That's what made the world feel alive. The social aspect was what mattered the most - for example, if you ninjaed an item from a guild, your name instantly became known to everyone, and with no server or faction or name change, you were permanently cucked out of joining any other guild, ever. Actions had consequences.
Samuel James
Vanilla was hella casual compared to Ultima or Everquest. Vanilla WoW started the whole Themepark MMO trend with soloable quests and linear questhubs.
Parker Miller
>MMO were garbage until WoW appeared >what is Ragnarok Online, Ultima, CoH? I.... I don't know what to say, so much ignorance in one post, it physically hurts me.
Angel Cooper
>linear questhubs >vanilla Literally didn't fucking happen outside of the starting zones and some breadcrumb quests as in "npc X in northern kalimdor says that npc Y in STV might need help"
Andrew Anderson
>with no server or faction or name change, you were permanently cucked out of joining any other guild, ever. or just make another character and powerlevel them up to the level cap in a month, there were bots and addons designed specifically for this.
Colton Evans
What's the general consensus on the upcoming Legions so far? Looking underwhelming?
Samuel Foster
I think part of the magic of Vanilla was the state of our lives at the time.
A lot of us were high school/college aged, with few real world responsibilities and all the time in the world to blow on video games.
The internet also wasn't as organized as it is today, data-mining wasn't really a thing yet and websites were filled with mis-information.
A lot of Vanilla game mechanics just seem frustrating when you go back and try a private server. Even though Blizzard has made many, many errors, there have been significant QoL changes made over the years that you don't realize until you regress.
That's why you can never re-capture that magic. It's a potent mix of naivety, nostalgia, and innocence of a time long past.
Let go user.
Let go.
James Gonzalez
every zone had a level range and eventually everyone would be railroaded into the same zone to level either because it's the best source of EXP or the quest rewards are relevant for their class.
David Peterson
So you wasted a hundred of hours of your life just to start again from square one while extracting zero benefit from the item you stole.
Jeremiah Sullivan
everyone gets a free legendary gear means nothing in pvp illidan becomes the dayman raids are probably going to be even more of a joke