Why is it impossible to get console players to understand that they're having an objectively inferior experience with...

Why is it impossible to get console players to understand that they're having an objectively inferior experience with games?

>The graphics don't look that much different!!!

Both of the major current gen consoles have 8 gigabytes of system ram, and no dedicated video ram. The PS4 uses 3.5 GB of its ram just to run its OS, and the Xbox one uses 3 GB of its, leaving 4.5 GB for the PS4 to share between running games and apps, and the xbox one 5 GB to do the same.

A good gaming PC on the other hand, will have 16 GB of system ram, and 8 GB of dedicated video ram. This is why consoles so often have the resolution capped at 720 and 1080, and framerates capped at 30 FPS, while anyone with a decent PC can run any game at 4k (3840x2160) and 60 FPS or higher, along with being able to run the game with high anti-aliasing (rendering textures multiple times to achieve a sharper image) and other graphic features that consoles can't even dream of having like ambient occlusion.

All in all, the average PC is miles better than any console at running games, that is an objective, undeniable fact.

>We have exclusives!!!

1. You shouldn't be supporting a company that partakes in the act of using legal loopholes to get around antitrust laws

2. The exclusives for any given console are only on that console, so you're only arguing for one specific console

3. They tend to not be very good games

4. Emulators allow PC players to play games that used to be exclusive to certain consoles

Pointing to a collection of games and saying "look you'll be missing out on all 5 of these titles" is not a good argument.

>You only care about technics, you don't actually enjoy playing video games

This is the argument I hate the most, because I've spent my entire life doing nothing but playing video games. When I was 7 I got pokemon ruby, and ever since then I've done nothing with my life but work and play video games.

Part 2 in the next post

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=ivVUIUnbIBE
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

I spent 10 years of my life only able to play consoles and handheld devices, because I was just straight up too poor to afford a PC. A list of some of the devices I've spent between hundreds and thousands of hours playing includes:

Gameboy advanced
Nintendo DS
Gamecube
PS 1
PS 2
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox one
Wii
PSP
NES
N64

I am by NO means someone who only enjoys graphics. In fact, I haven't even had my PC for that long. I built it just last fall, almost a year ago, before that, I was strictly a console player. I didn't change when I decided to get a PC, it's just something that I had always wanted to play, because - keep in mind these are the thoughts of a console player - there were a plethora of games that were only on the PC that I wanted to play so so badly. Not only that, but - again these were the thoughts of someone who had only ever played consoles and handhelds - I knew that PC's were so much better at running games, and that games on the PC looked so much better.

I DO play games for the enjoyment of playing games, and I ABSOLUTELY DO care about the things that actually makes a game good; gameplay, story, characters, gameplay mechanics. But to say that consoles are better for playing video games than PC's is just belligerently wrong. By playing on PC rather than a console, I'm able to do everything I normally would on a console, except it looks better, runs better, and often has more content thanks to mods. It's just an objectively better playing experience, there is nothing you can say that will change that fact.

Part 3 in the next post

Nobody actually cares so long as they have fun.

Now, I will say this, there is nothing wrong with playing on consoles. As someone who has spent more than half his life playing consoles, I do know where you guys are coming from. There is a certain charm in playing on a big tv with a controller in your hand and being a good distance away from the screen. That's one of the big things that always worried me about playing on the PC, I thought I was going to miss out on that. I used to look at PC gaming and think "it just wouldn't feel like I was actually playing a game". I used to think that it would ruin the experience of playing games, and looking back on it, I was completely wrong. It is a big transition, but it's not a bad one or even a hard one to make. I remember running skyrim on my new PC for the first time, with a 4K mod and graphics overhaul mods, and it blew my fucking mind away. I had already spent 2k+ hours playing skyrim on console, but seeing how much more beautiful it was on PC, and having much higher quality audio with high def headphones, it was a brand new experience. The same goes for every game I've played since then, it's just so much better on PC, it really is.

I understand the frustration you guys feel when PC nerds jump in and say shit like "it looks better on PC" or "have fun with your shitty 30 frames per second", I know that feeling because I used to be in your guys' place. I used to be the passionate console player that didn't like it when PC players put down consoles, and I would even make the same arguments you guys make. But after building my PC and experiencing it for myself, it really is amazing guys.

Part 4 in the next post

Like I was getting in to in the last part, there's nothing wrong with playing consoles. I personally have never made the argument that consoles are shitty, as far as their specs go they're on par with cheap PC's and there's nothing wrong with that. The thing that blows my mind now that I'm exclusively a PC player is seeing console players overcompensate for their lack of power by saying that consoles are better at running games, or by saying that only rich people can afford decent PC's, or that graphics don't matter, or any of those things. The reason why PC players make such a big deal about how much better PC's are is because you guys get so offended at it. If you guys would just admit that consoles are objectively much worse at running games whenever a PC dickhead mentions it, the argument would be over.

The next time someone says that PC's are better than consoles (which, coming from someone who played consoles for 10 years, they are), don't make dumb arguments and don't try to compensate for your technologically inferior brick, just ignore it and move on.

>Graphis matter

This is why people hate the PC crowd: no matter how much you're about the hardware, there's no otehr way to defend it without being about visuals and shit which is like saying that make up is healthy.

Why even bother with standards for graphics when we no longer have it for gameplay?

I mean, yes, framerate is important but because it affects the game, now resolution and special effects are nothing more than a fetish.

Graphics do matter. They're how the game presents itself, do you mean to tell me that you would have enjoyed any big title game that you enjoyed just as much if it ran at 420 resolution and had low polygon counts?

Graphics are not the most important aspect of the game, but if you take two copies of the exact same game, and gave one great graphics and the other one really bad graphics, people will 100% of the time pick the copy with the better graphics.

By defending the graphics of consoles, or by saying that graphics don't matter, you're saying you'd pick the copy of the game - they're both the exact same game mind you, completely identical in every way but graphics - that has the bad graphics.

I mean, they matter in some way but i just wish people would stop pushing it like video games we're 3D tech demos.

In this modern age of video games, we're having less focus on gameplay where some games allow you to skip unfinished levels and i found that to be a bigger problem.

Like I was getting at in my excessive 4 part OP, being a console player isn't a bad thing, and there's nothing wrong with playing consoles. The entire point of me making this thread is to distinguish the difference between calling consoles bad, and calling PC's better.

Of course, if a console player doesn't care about PC's, it's pointless and dumb to shove "muh pc runs that game better than your brick lel" down their throats. What I have an issue with is console players who say that graphics don't matter, and that PC's don't provide you access to a better playing experience.

Consoles vs. PC's boil down to the analogy I just used. Take skyrim. One copy of it (console edition) has a reduced resolution and a capped framerate, along with no anti-aliasing. It's still a great game without the best graphics in the world, and like I said, I played it for no less than 2k hours. Then you compare it to the PC version, it has the exact same content and it's identical in every way, except that it has variable resolution (up to 4k), variable frame rate (I capped mine at 144, but it can run it up into the mid hundreds), and countless graphics options that consoles don't have. The PC version of skyrim is just the better version, if only for a shallow reason.

This argument goes for any game that's on PC's and consoles.

ok

Console games are more fun.

The games that are on console are also on PC. And they're not "lel shitty ports", they look better and run better on PC.

The only games you won't find on PC are halo, uncharted and whatever other boring movies naughty dog has released.

Kill yourself OP

youtube.com/watch?v=ivVUIUnbIBE

...

Local Multiplayer

You cant convince me because youre 14 years younger than me. Its impossible for you to put as much time into gaming as I have since my dad bought us the nes when i was 3! Time to shut up fool, and respect your elders

NEVER EVER PC KEK

Your loss man

>also on PC
Yeah, I am enjoying all of these on PC:
>Bloodborne
>Gran Turismo
>Yakuza
>Halo
>Bayonetta
>Smash Bros
>Ninja Gaiden Black
>Vanquish
>Jak & Daxter
>Uncharted
>Ratchet & Clank
>Resogun
>Final Fantasy XV
>Mario
>Monster Hunter
>Zelda

YEAH, I LOVE MY PC :-)
You have to be deluded to believe that PC is ALWAYS better. Sometimes it isn't, there are really bad ports out there that exist - such as Mortal Kombat X or Spiderman 2

No you can't.

People prefer the console experience.

>my loss

In not losing anything PCuck. Only you are. Enjoy your undertale machine :^)

Refer to Exclusivity is not a good argument for consoles

Pcfats evangelizing their $1000 autism machines again

Jesus, fuck off no one cares.
No one is reading these walls.

Most adults play both, or choose decisively one or the other and are very aware of the trade-offs.

You're talking/thinking like a child who's biggest purchase in their life is a console/computer hardware.

I mostly play GTA online and a few other AAA games. I hardly ever play indie games.

I'm building a PC in a few weeks because I can't stand playing FPS on a console. I'm keeping my PS4 for weebshit and the same with my Vita/3DS

I gave away my Wii U to a friends little brother after I had played W101, Bayo 2 and Dong Freeze so I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

I don't really prefer console for any games but I do prefer the dual shock 4 for anything that isn't an FPS.

These. Plus, at the rate technology is growing, I can just get a laptop a few years down the line for cheap that can play all of the games released now.

>grafix
Compare the newest warhammer trailer with the new GoW trailer. PC devs don't have the budget to crank out high graphics games.

Simple question I'd like someone to explain to me;

Why are console kids saying

>OMG WHO CARES ABOUT A FEW EXTRA FPS OR DRAW DISTANCE OR TEXTURES GRAPHICS ARENT IMPORTANT!!!!!

But then as soon as they get a game like Uncharted or Bloodborne or anything else they they think they can brag about, it changes to

>HAHAHAHA PC DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING THIS GOOD LOOKING LOOK AT THE SHADOWS! OMG LOOK AT THE GRASS ITS SO GOOD BEST LOOKING GAME EVER???

>mfw I only game on consoles because I don't have enough money to jump ship yet.

One day

Graphics matter in the sense that it is important to accurately relay the information to the player and graphics are frequently what the player notices first.

That said, the absolutely most amount of polygons packed into a super realistic model is NOT the best way to achieve a visually striking game.

Art direction is a far more important feature to have. A game with low polygon count but good lighting, a unique atmosphere, a unique but visually impressive look, and a mechanically functional experience are all preferred to something that smacks out a super detailed model.

I have seen so many modern FPS title try to capture the realistic models for guns and soldiers they are all boring as fuck looking these days. Then a game like Okami, Journey, or Shadow of the Colossus comes along and shows how much art direction is far more important.

Consoles are popular with average joe for the same reason the toyota corolla is, its cheap, reliable, simple, can get it anywhere, will work for years with minimal fuss.

Average joe just wants get a console because they know they only have to buy one every 5 years and when they put the disk in they know it going to work..

Dunno why this is so hard to understand.

I swore I'd upgrade my toaster to a decent gaming PC when it finally got a good exclusive, that was 8 years ago.

PC is an empty shell of what it used to be, and based on E3 it sure as hell has nothing going for it next year either.

You also have local multiplayer still being a thing, although it is becoming less and less common.

>PC exclusives

If you aren't an RTS or indie fan, it is suffering if you want to play PC exclusives.

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!!


WHY WON'T THEY LEARN???!!!?!

That's another good point that I didn't feel like mentioning in the OP is that keyboard and mouse controls are better for most games.

There was a test a while back that some company did where they tested crossplatform results between console players and PC players on a FPS. The PC players absolutely smashed the console players into oblivion because of the fact that they had higher framerates, and miles more control with the mouse.

PC devs are the people who make console games. 100% of all video games are developed on PC's, then have their graphics downgraded so that consoles can run them. They just release the pre-shittification version of the game to PC players, the version with the vastly better graphics, because PC's can handle them.

Like I said, they're overcompensating for a feeling of inferiority.

That was the boat I was in for years. I just wish console players would realize the arguments they're making are awful.

"PC" isn't a company. There are no exclusives for it because it isn't one thing.

I'm aware of this, I'm just trying to get these people to understand that their Toyota corolla isn't on par with a Ferrari.

It's almost non existent and has been for years. The only games that have local multiplayer now are fighters and sports games.

Why would anyone WANT to play an exclusive? Like, what does a game being an exclusive do for it? Do some people get a thrill thinking "yeeaaahhh people who don't have this brick can't play this game that I'm playing ooohhh yeahhh baby".

Halo is one of my favorite series of games ever, but I didn't like it because it's an xbox exclusive, I liked it because it's a cool first person shooter with big aliens and shit.

>I'm aware of this, I'm just trying to get these people to understand that their Toyota corolla isn't on par with a Ferrari.

News flash they dont care, average joe doesn't care about a

>Why is it impossible to get console players to understand that they're having an objectively inferior experience with games?
This is all I read, and all I will read. You're lucky I'm bored.

I like consoles because video games were made for them. Computers were made for calculations. By the time personal computers came out, everybody has already been accustomed to video games on consoles.

Consoles do it better. I can buy a pleasing electronic device to hold in my hands or play on my big screen TV right from the get go, without any technical problems.

I'll play Sonic Adventure 2 on my PC. For some reason I can't go fullscreen, so I enter an hour long Google search to find out the problem and fix it. After it's fixed, I enjoy it. Leave it for a year, during that time many things on my computer changed, including resetting it to factory settings or restoration to counter the many other small/minor technical problems on PC. It seems my Sonic Adventure 2 was fucked up again. Oh well, I can go play it on PS3 no problem.

Many games crash for no reason. Fallout for example, will just crash out of nowhere. Many games crash out of alt + tabbing. You, being the PC Master just suck it up, don't you? I don't stand for that type of error in consistency.

Consoles are more appealing, and get the job done. Exclusive games you can play without the hectic of setting up an emulator and problems that come with one, and nothing modern can be played on an emulator anyway. No emulator is perfect, none.

The single and only reason anybody will ever argue that PC is "objectively" better is because of graphics and framerate. This has been said over and fucking over, but PC Elitists still believe that they are right. Nobody cares about frames higher than 30, I don't. I don't go out of my way to make sure games are 60 frames. It's a bonus I forgot about when it's introduced and gone when I play another game. Graphics don't matter to me.

>You shouldn't be supporting a company that partakes in the act of using legal loopholes to get around antitrust laws

Wtf the comment posted half way through writing it, continuing.

average joe doesn't care about arguing over which platform is better, average joe just wants to play a game with minimal fuss, you dont have to make them understand because you have no interaction with them.

Average joe has never cared, any arguments about the topic are and always have been made school kids trying to one up each other. Which kids do with anything and everything.

Seriously go into a video game store pick out someone who is not a child and have a conversation with them. They dont give a shit.

>Consoles do it better

They literally don't man, I can and will hunt down the specific specs of the xbox one and PS4 to show you how wrong that is. They don't run games better, this is the thing I'm trying to get people to understand

>Long anecdotal story
1. You had a really bad PC

2. You were running an emulator, those tend to be unstable if you don't know what you're doing

3. For every piece of anecdotal evidence you have for PC's being bad at running games, I'll give you 5 times as many pieces of anecdotal evidence for why they're better, and close it up with empirical evidence for why they're better.

PC's are not worse at running games because your PC had bad specs and you're technologically inept.

>Consoles are more appealing

I used to think that too, then I built a PC and saw how much better it looked, and how much more fun it is to use.

>Nobody cares about frames higher than 30

I have no idea what to say about this

You're wrong?

That doesn't do it justice

If they didn't give a shit then they wouldn't convince themselves that lies like "it looks better on console" are true, then defend those lies.

Is it just you shilling in this thread? Every single word you use reeks of someone who is in their first year of using a rig they built themselves. You are either new to this, underage or have nothing else going in life.

NO ONE CARES
O

O
N
E

C
A
R
E
S

>They don't run games better
You're right, it's the exact same. Playing Sonic Adventure 2 on PC is the same as playing it on PS3, except without the errors. Same for everything else. I'm only using it as an example.

My PC isn't bad. I've emulated Xenoblade Chronicles but decided to play it on the 3DS because it's better.

I know what I'm doing, they still have their problems even if you do.

I didn't give you "anecdotal" evidence for anything. I simply stated an "empirical" [spoilersince you want to act pretentious[/spoiler] fact. Games encounter many errors on PC, while on consoles they don't, because consoles are purely for running games, while PCs are not.

>I used to think that too
Good for you. We won't change.

>You're wrong?
Alright, alright, I'm wrong. Most people don't care about frames higher than 30. There you go!

aaaanyway, fuck dis thread. bye op you lost again.

This is a great example of the average joe. They don't care that consoles aren't as powerful as PC's, they just want something functional that they don't have to think about, and will make up any lie they have to in order to convince themselves that consoles are better.

Console players are the gaming equivalent of the north korean government, blatantly making up huge lies to convince themselves that they're great and all powerful.

I can't blame them though, I'd feel pretty bad if someone was running the games I love at massive resolutions and 144 frames per second with 16x anti aliasing.

>What are LAN parties
Seriously I get your point but don't act like you don't miss out on a very similar thing

>144 FPS
No IPS screen can run at this speed
Picking diminishing returns levels of frame rates against colour accuracy.

Spend $700 on a graphics card to render a pixel a specific colour
Then display that pixel on a monitor colour shifting it and undoing about $500 of that graphics card.

This is why carmack moved to a platform where he has control over the physical hardware.

The people posting on a video games board shouldn't be the average joe, you should presumably care enough to want to get a good experience. Why would a car enthusiast drive that Toyota over the Ferrari unless they had no choice or were actively stupid?

That is a point, average joe is not on here, but contrarians and trolls are who will say anything to get a response. Ever heard of Poes law?

My monitor does indeed refresh at 144 frames per second

My 8 GB video card was 500 dollars

I don't know what the fuck you mean by "moved to a platform where he has control over the physical hardware"

This is something I think a lot. If you like video games enough to discuss them with strangers online, you should like them enough to want the absolute best experience out of them possible. That's why I play PC, it gives me the best gaming experience possible.

Some of the people I see arguing in favor of consoles can not possible be "le trolling"

Yeah those are easy to set up

>3. For every piece of anecdotal evidence you have for PC's being bad at running games, I'll give you 5 times as many pieces of anecdotal evidence for why they're better, and close it up with empirical evidence for why they're better.
>PC's are not worse at running games because your PC had bad specs and you're technologically inept.

Listen clearly you just bought your first PC and your rig runs games fine, but eventually you will hit a bottleneck in your hardware and be forced to upgrade out of the hardware cycle. It's an illusion of being able to upgrade. When all is said and done you've bought yourself a window where games will look "cutting edge", good job I suppose? This does it for you, fine, but surprise, most people don't give a fuck. Even your PC brethren will run games on lowest setting then boast about being part of the MASTER RACE. Most PC gamers are third worlders running mobas that only need a netbook to run.

PC only devs can optimize less, and YOU pick up the slack. We're at a point now where optimization of games matters most when it comes to how great a game looks relative to the hardware you're running.

Thats on the dev, not on your specs, if you're overspecced for a game that runs like dogshit otherwise YOU'RE getting the raw deal, you're gloating about cleaning up after shitty devs.

Yeh but its no IPS, my point remains.
>I don't know what the fuck you mean by "moved to a platform where he has control over the physical hardware"

Carmack used to bitch and complain all the time about how they would spend years of time and millions of dollars perfecting shading techniques and it would all be undone by people using uncalibrated monitors or monitors with poor ranges.

Thats why he is now at occulus, he controls the hardware, he sets the curves and calibration and now people cant undo all his hard work with their shitty setups.

Technological ineptitude isn't an argument

They have been a thing almost as long as couch play has, deal with it.

The occulus is just a PC gaming peripheral though

What is this, it's fucking stupid.

back in the 90s pc games were objectively better than console games but now its all the same shit and the console user experience is better. games on both platforms are pretty dumbed down and shittycompared to pc games of that era, with graphics being the only improvement

>Hey guys want to come around have some beer and play smash bros?
Everyone shows up after work with a six pack, we put the disk in and play for a few hours.
>Hey guys want to come arround have some beer and play some arma?
Everyone has to go home, dismantle setup, bring the gear over, get out fold out tabled, hook up network switches, make sure power are on different rails, make sure they can all connect otherwise steam locks out the game, make sure we are all on the same build, fuck with port fording and firewalls and maybe get in 2 hours of fun before packing up and going home and reassembling it all.

I know the drill, I did it in high school, I remember fucking with network shit for hours to get UT and cs to work.

Yes a peripheral which contains the all important screen which is what my entire comment was about.

It's a visual representation of the arguments console players use in different circumstances.

>Game is clearly shown to look miles better on PC's than any console

>>Pft whatever graphics aren't important if you care that much about graphics you're just a fat faggot who doesn't play games for the fun

>A new console exclusive comes out and there is no PC comparison

>>HAHA WOW LOOK AT HOW GOOD IT LOOKS THE SHADOWS ARE SO SHARP GET FUGGED PC RETARDS

Guarantee you that if uncharted 4 was released on PC, console peasants would lose their fucking shit over how much better the PC version looked.

Jesus christ man there is so much wrong with what you said I don't even know what to say

Like seriously you don't even know what port forwarding is for or how steam works come on

Most of that shit is basic and can be roughly described as 'plug in your PC and make sure it can connect to the internet'.

Yeah obviously it isn't a spontaneous thing since people have to have PCs and/or laptops and that is a legitimate disadvantage but pretending local multiplayer isn't a thing is flat out wrong.

The fact that consoles are closed platform and literally require you to PAY MONEY to play online on your own internet connection is indefensible enough in itself

>I LIKE HAVING NO CONTROL OVER MY DEVICE AND HAVING ADS THROWN IN MY FACE CONSTANTLY AND BEING COMPLETELY BUTTFUCKED WHENEVER *game company* DECIDES TO BECAUSE THEY DECIDE WHAT MY CONSOLE HAS ON IT ON ME

Fucking this it's a computer people. I'll play five hours a day of video games but I have other hobbies. Seriously people visit some other boards and find other hobbies. Autistic people aren't even this obsessive.

>inb4 it's just a shitposting and underage board

Consoles are literally just the macs of gaming

That's literally all there is to it. Flashy overpriced plastic targeted at idiots who don't understand the hardware they're buying.

My pc has 8 gigs of ram and 4 gigs of vram. Still runs games at ultra 1080p

I wasn't the previous commentator, LANs are a thing, and a thing I miss a lot, they are lots of fun, but because of the overhead of getting them running they dont work unless they are over a full day or two, and trying to organise 6-12 people and find a date that fits in with work or life in general is impossible. They don't work because they cant be spontaneous, couch gaming works because it can.

Consoles are dirt cheap though

I'll be straight with you user. I come here to trigger people and annoy them. If I wanted to have a conversation about video games I sure as fuck would never do it here. Between autists who should get out more, kids who have too much free time, people burned out on their hobby, and shitposters do you really think you'll have any real dialog?

500 dollars for a new gen console is not cheap

If someone who bought consoles just built a good 1000 PC, they wouldn't need to buy new consoles every few years that cost hundreds of dollars, it's cheaper in the long run and you get a better experience

The master race bullshit is retarded and Yahtzee should fucking off himself the cunt.

I have PS4, XBO and PC

I only actually use the consoles for gaming, because I have a Iife outside my settings screens

I hate, hate, HATE getting a new game. And having to spend an entire days free time just fixing the damn settings for it

Where as each of my console purchases require I turn the machine on and it's good to go, open case, insert disc and you're fuckin' good

>Spending all day on setting screens

When I get a new game, I don't have to mess with settings because it loads up in my preferred resolution and with the maximum settings already loaded. Sometimes I'll go into the settings and spend 20 seconds tweaking a few things and capping the frame rate to keep from wasting processing power, but like I said, that's just 20 seconds.

If you're spending a long time messing with settings you either have a shitty PC, or you're technologically inept.

This desu senpai like nigga do I finna mess with setting only to play two hours and uninstall

oh fuck off. Some of us have friends who can't into pc building or afford them, so we the mustard race has to lower their expectations to be able to play with friends.

I don't expect you to understand, as typical pcfags usually dont have irl friends. No its not an inferior experience, because playing a game with people I like is far more enjoyable then playing with randoms on steam.

>Mixing ghetto trash and weeb trash

Kill yourself