LISA Thread

Just finished it. How is Joyful?

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Terrible. I mean legitimately terrible. The story is badly paced and stupid. So bad it actually retroactively takes away from the impact of Painful. I'd tell you not to do yourself a favor and not play it, but I know that you're gonna play it anyways. I know I would, in your position.

There are a few fags on Sup Forums that defend it but they're huge morons.

It's total shit and I wish it didn't exist

>it actually retroactively takes away from the impact of Painful
Yes

there are great moments, including the ending
and the soundtrack is just as ambitious
wait for the drop with air horns

Worth a play. People bitch and moan about Buddy but it's a decent enough epilogue and it gives the story some closure. I'm glad we have it instead of the ambiguous ending Painful had.

Soup's on, baby.

I kinda wish Joyful didn't exist but then again its soundtrack is totally jammin'.

>it's Sup Forums grows greenlight cancer by shilling autistic rpg maker games episode

It's fucking great, dude. I loved it. One lil hintz for you: take joy. For real in the joyful there's no reason not to take joy

>it bad cuz rpg maker LOL

>cancer
>shill
>autistic
>episode
>spongebob

could you be more of a shitter? we're trying to discuss video games

this pissed me off honestly

>it's Sup Forums gets triggered by someone's opinion on a shitty rpg maker game like they're the developer themselves episode

Any news on Ninja Tears?

Eliza The Autist is only slightly better than Undertale.

oh shit is that a fucking gremlin?

Not as good as Painful but it only lasts a couple hours and gives closure to the story so you should play it anyway.
Also, 3 different endings depending on how many secrets you find, they are all different and exclusive from one another so make different saves.

There are some redeeming factors but generally speaking it isn't as good as Painful. Ending boss battles are great though, interesting stuff too.

Well it's Joyful.

>opinion
your opinion reads more like a regurgitation of buzzwords

ROASTY
TOASTY

Since it's super easy-to-use, most of the developers are edgy kids with deviant art fanfic level writing skills.

>he hasn't played LISA
>posts on a LISA thread
teehee

Wich is not the case for LISA.
Whats our point?

I just explained why RPG Maker has a bad rep. I'm not that the spongebob poster user.

Not as great as Painful, but it's still pretty good.

It gets a lot of shit for the worse combat and Buddy being understandably a shitstain of a daughteru

It was pretty shit
game shouldve ended with Painful

how's lisa the first?

Play Yume Nikki instead.

the painful is legitmatly the best indie rpg out right now, you watch your fuckin mouth

but I'm not that much into yume nikki user

Like Yume Nikki with an actual ending and rape.
It's ok if you like LISA and have 1 hour to spend. It's cool to catch some references in Painful.

i couldn't get past the fucking hall of rape spiders

Nowhere near as good as Painful and it feels really shitty at points, but it's not that bad.

But really, take Joy. The game is hell if you don't and some fights will take forever because a lot of things have absurd amounts of health. No ruse here, it doesn't affect the plot at all and you get no reward for going through the game Joyless.

I haven't finished joyful yet, so forgive me if the game answers it or if I even miss it, but why did Buddy become such an asshole suddenly? She didn't seem so bad during The Painful

I wish Joyful didn't exist 2bh

>first time playing through Joyful
>dont take any joy because I dont want to miss out on anything extra
>mfw I get fucking raped time and time again the levels before I get Mend because I didnt find chester before he turned and had NO fucking healing items
>dont get anything for not taking joy
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

I was enjoying myself until the spider section. fuck that poorly designed/implemented shit.

I LOVE BUDDY

Shit writing

joy addiction or something, I dunno

you could have just gone to the bartender in one of the first area's zone's for healing stuff, even after people are turning into joy mutants

She was traumatized by seeing everything that Brad did just to "protect" her and having everything near her get fucked up just for her sake.

Ding really just wanted an excuse to make a game where we finally get a fucking ending.

Joyful had a couple good tracks and is an ok conclusion to the series, but without the party mechanic, expect a very boring game.

Lots of unresolved issues that Brad and Rando did nothing to alleviate by continuously sheltering her.

There is exactly 1 good thing to come from joyful.
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High on joy, wanted freedom

Nigger
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Some of these hurt to listen to.

RIP

Its a mediocre follow-up that has an extremely unsatisfying conclusion. I won't spoil anything, but the plot-thread concerning Yado's motives is really anti-climatically resolved.

Sorry you got pussy ears

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Rest in Peace Terr Bear ;~;7

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Painful events + Joy + Raped by one of Rando's friends. She goes too far though, I think thats the point, she did everything wrong, at least Brad tried to do the right thing.

>666 Kill Chop Deluxe
Truly one of the best battle themes I've heard in a while.
The horns are still pretty stupid though

Is this some kind of joke I'm not in on? I thought JOYFUL was great.

i...i didn't need these feels.

or these feels.

What'd you like about it?

I'm afraid your taste is bad.
Also:
>implying 1998 was a good year

You just have a different opinion.
Theres someone who always does a long post and uses the word "terrible" though. It wouldn't surprise me if he was just samefagging but thats just a theory

It was better than now.

You just need some joy in your life.

Maybe I do someday.

If you really wanna summon the resident autistposter in LISA threads, this should do it.

Marty did nothing wrong

If I was a WWE wrestler I would use Brokentooth March as intro music. I'm sure dingaling would love that.

>raped
No she wasn't.

Oh yeah, this'll do it.

Nigga, people have been saying "this past year was better than it is right now" forever. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Dingaling confirmed her son at the end of Joyful isn't Brad's. It has to be Dale.

I never get why Marty was inexplicably on that island between area 3 and Rando land. As much as I love the writing in LISA, there are a few plotholes that bug me besides that one.
>What exactly happened at the beginning of the game with all the dead people around Brad's house?
>What was Yado's deal? Why did he want to do what he did?
>How did Buzzo come to start helping Yado?
>Why is Lisa the most evil person in a series that contains genocidal warlords and mass murderers?
>Buzzo mentions that Buddy would be a hit with "the other women" but that plot thread is never picked up on again

The entire game takes place in a biodome. Don't forget that.

I just sorta presumed he let her get to the Joy or something. Maybe in the hopes of her being so out of it that he could rape her.

I mean, after all, that's the point where she starts becoming the sovereign Queen of Edge

How much of the lore comes from Ding's twitter, anyway?

And also, why is it that Buzzo is so fucking weak as a mutant in Joyless when he was unbearable in Painful? Shouldn't being a mutant make him even stronger?

Before Joyful came out, I always imagined that Buzzo and Yado were 'successful' joy mutants. They must have perfected the joy drug, making so that it would actually turn them into super soldiers instead of disfigured mutants. To me, that explained why Yado could always climb up to inaccessible ledges in spite of being old and why Buzzo was so powerful. I thought for sure that Joyful was going to be about Yado trying to make Buddy into another perfect joy mutant like himself and Buzzo.

He was probably holding back against fighting buddy.
He hated Brad with every fibre of his being so that probably made him stronger.
Joy may have had some effect as he was a joy user.

>I mean.. it wasn't nothing serious or nothing...

Well what I liked about PAINFUL was how it subverted so many RPG elements without the self awareness that makes many attempts to do the same so unbearable.

EXAMPLE:
>(shitty game) "Wow it sure is weird that we can rest easy at this little prepared camp in the middle of this dangerous forest! Isn't it wacky and irreverent that we're bringing up this issue but doing nothing to try and solve it?"

>(PAINFUL) Olathe is crawling with bandits and scum, so when you rest, you trigger a chance for a random event or even a quest. I'll use these events to add color to an otherwise dark and dismal world.

The game is filled with mechanics like this.
You know how in a lot of RPGs you hang on to powerful items through the whole game, since you don't know when you'll need them? Well you'd better use what you can, when you can, because there's at least three instances in PAINFUL where you can lose everything you got.
You know how getting new party members can suck, since they're usually either too weak to want to replace your current party with them, or so strong that you'll put them in no matter what? PAINFUL puts special attention on having each party member fight a little bit differently(not easy in a menu based combat game), but perhaps more than that, makes them expendable. There are certain events, certain minigames, and certain enemy attacks that can kill your party members permanently. If you're not careful, your can lose much if not most of your team. BUT THAT OK! because PAINFUL has 20 some guys at all different parts of the game, meaning a death or two is not a game breaker. They're also balanced to be useful but not overpowering at the stage of the game you find them. There's also a minigame before the 3rd area of the game where you can grind fairly quickly, just in case your team is seriously FUBAR.

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>I never get why Marty was inexplicably on that island between area 3 and Rando land.
Never explained, maybe he was running from Brad or something.
>What exactly happened at the beginning of the game with all the dead people around Brad's house?
They went for Buddy, Rick and Sticky escaped with her. They found Fardy and though the fat hispanic man was a girl for some reason, there was rape and fabulous hair. No idea who spilled the beans tho.
>What was Yado's deal? Why did he want to do what he did?
He was making biological weapons, then they cut his research so he decided to kill everyone with the help of Buzzo.
>How did Buzzo come to start helping Yado?
Buzzo is the only succesful Joy super soldier, he was probably promised Brad he could keep Brad after he stoped being necesary for Yado's plan.
>Why is Lisa the most evil person in a series that contains genocidal warlords and mass murderers?
She fucked up Brad and Buzzo, wich made possible Yado's plans thus creating genocidal warlords and mass murder.
>Buzzo mentions that Buddy would be a hit with "the other women" but that plot thread is never picked up on again
Theres a Biodome theory that explains the day/night cycle and the clouds being fucked as Nerns tells you. So the white flash didn't destroy the whole world, it was contained.
The plot is not perfect, especially because Joyful wasn't planned, the original ending was Brad biting Buddy's head off as a way to show that he didn't love her and all he did was trying to justify what he did to Lisa.
Also, Yado is just crazy, wich doesn't make for a good villain, although is kind of creepy once you realize he is the bad guy, if you did with the clues you get in Painful

Buzzo is trying to kill himself, he actually does it if you don't kill him fast enough.

Yado does mention making Buddy into something special, doesn't he?

In the turn to JOYFUL, most of the time you're playing with a single character, and the gameplay changes from a focus on menu rpg combat to a stripped down rhythm game.Pretty big changes for a DLC. I was worried it was going to fall flat, but for me it shined in it's execution. Despite having leveling systems and items and all that jazz, JOYFUL is meant to be beaten no matter what, which is why there was no way to grind exp or porn or gain teammates as the game goes on. Still I FELT like the game was pretty diffucult even when you're relying more and more on JOY. Timing and resource management was very important to beating the game.

I guess in sum, what I like about JOYFUL is audacity. DING made something special with PAINFUL, and he did it be taking chances. Taking a tried and true genre and specifically breaking conventions. I mentioned before, if it isn't done well, that sort of approach can be irritating. With the DLC, he decided to take his game, which people loved and turn it on its head again. And I liked it, I had fun, but when elevates it to greatness (for me) is the fact he tried. You can read this read this review and others like it at my page at BLOGSPOT.com/analfixation69/

>She fucked up Brad and Buzzo, wich made possible Yado's plans thus creating genocidal warlords and mass murder

That's still fucking stupid and doesn't make sense. Lisa was fucked in the head, it's not like it was her goal to cause mass death. I mean, that's like saying JD Salinger should be held accountable for John Lennon and Ronald Reagan getting shot just because some impressionable mentally ill people were influenced by his book.

he does? if he heals himself too much by eating his own flesh he dies?

He just confirms fan theories like the connection between Tiger man and Big L.
Also, Sup Forums is fucked, I can't post unless I upload a picture too.

It's not really samefagging if it's being done in different threads.

Yes, It happened in my second playthrough.
I think he just said she is the worst, not that she is evil. He also says in the same post that Buddy is his least favorite character.

>Blue eyes
Isn't buddy half asian?
Everyone post more buddy.

thank you so much for these pictures, they are hilarious.

I think she is asian as in from the asian part of Russia.
Also, my Sup Forums is actually fucked, luckily, I do have a lot of LISA related pics

Tomoko as Buddy when?

Lisa: the Martyr when?

Eh

So is the setting of lisa really come isolated continent done as a social experiment?

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It's USA

Post your team

Percy
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Birdie

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the big theory is that olathe is under a dome or something, based on comments some characters make about the sky and that you can see a bendy effect on the clouds in joyful.
the only issue with that theory is that trucking around the country still exists, wouldn't someone notice that there's an impassable wall after over a decade passed since the flash?

You fuckin' take that back you joy poppin' scum

Without reference, people have a tendency to go in circles without knowing it. Happens in the desert big time without a compass, forests as well if not keeping track of landmarks.

True, but we're talking about an Under the Dome style setting where the populace themselves don't even know the dome is there, even after 10-15 years.