Who is better, Raziel or Kain?

Who is better, Raziel or Kain?

MY NAME IS RAZIEL
AND THIS IS KAIN
WE ARE TOGETHER
ONCE AGAAAIN

Kain is a more compelling character overall. His commentary and smugness lend a lot of charm to Blood Omen and he made for a fun antagonist in SR1.

Fuck SR2 and everything after it, though.

Kain manages to influence destiny despite being bound to it. Raziel who's supposed to be only creature free from destiny is constantly being manipulated by everyone, including Kain.

>Kain manages to influence destiny despite being bound to it.
wasn't kain the one who had the free will after all?

No, Kain was always bound by destiny, but he saw in chronoplast a future where he could create Raziel, free from it, and by giving himself in to the blade Raziel untangled all of destiny, giving Kain power to change future and kill the squid.

shame kain did not killed squid after all

Kain is objectively the best at the end of the Blood Omen after absorbing Raziel but I like Kain's snark more than Raziel's.

Kain, ezpz.

Raziel can be quite bitchy sometimes, but he is allowed to, his life sucked ass since from the start. He tends to be more introverted than Kain and it's almost endearing how he just wants to find someone to TRUST.

That said, I think Kain's wit and struggle against destiny are great. It's really hard for me to decide, they are both wonderful characters.

I love Janos too, to be honest

I always kind of hoped we would go down the talking sword route if they ever made the final game. Well, but nowadays I just hope that they'll never touch the franchise again.

Me too, but even if Amy was still working on the series and everything was fine, I doubt they would have made Raziel speak through the Reaver: his existence inside the sword is pure madness and pain and he probably isn't even aware of himself anymore.

>his existence inside the sword is pure madness and pain and he probably isn't even aware of himself anymore.

That comes later, maybe in another millennium. I like to think that maybe the cause of reaver-madness before was a result of Raziel not being purified yet, and succumbing to de-evolution like his kin, just in a different way. Maybe now he'll be alright - at least for as long as he's being used for a purpose he can fully get behind. Or maybe it was all supposed to end with Kain placing the soul reaver in Avernus to await his past-self, knowingly condemning Raziel once again, to a hell of solitude.

Anyway fuck them for letting the series die

>Anyway fuck them for letting the series die
There was definitely room for another game. Defiance left a lot of loose ends and room for elaboration. But I think the core of the story was kind of over. On a thematic level Defiance is fairly conclusive on a thematic level.

To be honest I never really thought the plot (or the gameplay) after the first Soul Reaver justified its bloated pretensions. That's probably why I'm more tolerant of how it ended. It was a rare occurrence of the series exercising restraint (however unwillingly).

The only LoK game I really love is the first one. SR was good, not always great. After that it was a big nosedive.

Both are great, why don't you flip a coin?

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yes user flip a coin
and one of these days
maybe one of them
will land on its edge

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>Fuck SR2 and everything after it, though.

Why? Blood Omen 2 I can understand but what pissed you off about the rest?

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can someone tell me which games in this series are good?

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All of them. People often go about BO2 being black sheep of the series because of the story, but even that had lots of fantastic gameplay and design elements to it.

I thought I was the only one left on this board that watched those extras.

They're all pretty connected plotwise so if you're just wanting to play a game or two stick with either Blood Omen or Soul Reaver 1, those work well standalone.

Want me to wipe your ass, too?
Play them all.

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>There was definitely room for another game. Defiance left a lot of loose ends and room for elaboration.

They were working on the sequel to Defiance, Dark Prophecy. It was supposed to show Kain finally defeating the Hylden and the Elder God, restoring Nosgoth, and wrapping up Janos' story still trapped in the Demon Realm.

>Anyway fuck them for letting the series die

This. I would have loved to see the series finished: this way nobody would have felt so eager to see another game churned out in this shitty vidya industry. Even if they make a new game to hush the fans, it will never be good without Amy or at least part of the original team.

No more yogurt, elder god.

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Janos.

That guy had the hardest life, I swear.

Why compare a sword and its wielder?

The gameplay stopped emphasizing exploration, which was the draw of the games. But not only did the gameplay take a backseat to the story, the story got worse too. Dialogue remained hammy fun, but the plot grew more and more self-obsessed and soapy. It was just dull.

I think the first Blood Omen is by far the best. I wish SR's original ending came to fruition instead of the cliffhanger and subsequent clusterfuck we got.

>BLOOD OMEN
Fun diablo/zelda 1 styled game

>SOUL REAVER
Ocarina of time but with blood and stuff

>SOUL REAVER 2
More of soul reaver, and also where the plot starts getting WACKY

>BLOOD OMEN 2
Some weird, vauguely open 3rd person action adventure, awful character designs and continues the WACKINESS from SR2

>DEFIANCE
"Oh fuck we got too much WACKINESS going on, we need to fix that and fill in some plot holes"

There's more to being a vampire than drinking blood, TRUST me doll!

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>try to play this because Sup Forums
>its literally unplayable

Literally no taste. SR2 and Defiance are the pinnacle of the story the quality of which has never been reached by video games since then.

>They were working on the sequel
I know. I'm saying I don't think the series really needed it as much as some people think it did.

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Disagree about the story but I do agree on the gameplay, it was really disappointing how little SR2 had to explore compared to SR1 with all its optional areas/powerups to find and how the games became progressively more on-rails feeling.

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God no, if I have to hear another character talk about "Ancient Vampires" or "Hylden" ever again, I think I'll kill myself. I liked the story back when it was ust vampires and crazy magicians

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Look at this black heart. How STILL it beats!

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"SNORT GRUNT SNARL GRRR"
I belive you did that in Hamlet, didn't you?
"No, that was Othello."
Oh, of course.
"Yes, that was the one where I swallowed my tonsils"

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whoever made all these

Raziel was never that interesting as a character. But he did lend himself perfectly for the idea of having a game built around him.

It's a shame we'll never get another Soul Reaver.

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>The Phantom Kain

>LoK thread on Sup Forums
>mfw you remember this series didn't get the ending it deserved, and never will

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That's all I got.

Don't worry user, one day they'll revive it and we'll get hot, progressive vampire on wraith porn.

Ending? What ending?

Not even lying, all I want is for them to remaster the game with original upscaled audio and new graphics. From SR1 to Defiance.

I feel that I'm obligated to work out since I'm Soul Reaver.

>That part where he talks about going to conventions and fans are disappointed raziel is some old dude

I liked the bit about his kid 1 ups him on his own video game and goes on to say that kids are just born with chips in them that make them better at games than everyone else. Fuck I hope they do a remaster/sequel while he's still alive and active ;-;

you can tell by the way he's describing the situation that he got stuck on the gliding tutorial
i wonder if he's gotten any better

Not Bell, I think that was Mortanius' VA and he was talking about how his actual voice is deep, but he's known for some cartoon role where he uses high-pitched voice and that surprises the fans.

He probably hasn't touched or even thought about SR since Defiance.

>got stuck on the gliding tutorial
Who didn't though? I fell so many times into that fucking whirlpool by the end I lost count.