Wonderful 101

So I finally started Wonderful 101. I'm normally quite the Platinum fanboy, and I appreciate a lot of things about the game, but after some hours, I'm on operation 003 and I feel like the game hasn't clicked with me yet. I sat down and poured at least 7 hours into my first sitting with both the Bayonetta games, but I'm finding W101 kind of exhausting. One thing that annoyed me was that Wonder Pink's introduction has you pulling armor armor off a bad guy, so when I was faced with one of the armored car enemies, I immediately switched to Wonder Pink and it didn't work because apparently this only applies to spiky armored foes. I still haven't figured out how to beat the car enemies without getting my ass kicked a ton.

youtube.com/watch?v=sdHbPXNJvVE
I felt like it was really easy to get into the flow of things with Bayonetta and other Platinum action games, but I see videos like this and it feels odd that mechanics like this haven't been explained yet (and I'm guessing they won't be)..

On another note, I'm really sick of Platinum making action games where you have to purchase really important moves. So obviously I bought guts and the dodging move, but are there others that are vital components of combat that I should buy ASAP? Any other tips on how to git gud? Or is the game just not as enjoyable as their other action titles?

>I'm really sick of Platinum making action games where you have to purchase really important moves

i hope this is fake i'm pirating their games right now

Purchase, as in unlocking with fictional in game currency.

He means with in-game currency dumbass. There's no microtransactions.

Dumb fuck.

>Or is the game just not as enjoyable as their other action titles?
W101 is Kamiya's best game

Well, why does he?

can't help but find this adorable for some reason. is something wrong with me

W101 is a very divisive game. Either you love it or you hate it.
I love it but I also know it is flawed in some points. But honestly, no game is flawless.

That being said, try to at least complete the main story. Maybe the game won't ever click for you but at least you got the whole picture.

>Wonderful 102 never

WHY

>I still haven't figured out how to beat the car enemies

Try blocking, you moron

Same boat (late adopter, finally playing).

I love it and I hate it.

I love the core concept of controlling a crowd of characters, and I'm not even fundamentally against the idea of the wonder liner

Really I just hate the camera. The isometric camera makes me sick to my stomach and pisses me off. Having 90 little fuckers running around on screen and having to manage their population density to avoid "damage" (not lost HP but your attacks are weakened) is hard enough, I don't need even more visual fuckery making this game impossible to understand.

Also the unite gauge pisses me off, but I think that's just because it feels so pointless; why do I need a stamina/cooldown timer on every basic action in the game? Just let me play it.

I dunno, it's a neat idea but one I'd like to see executed differently. Gameplay wise it certainly doesn't hold a candle to Bayo.

No sales, no sequel.

It sold 500k. That's not THAT bad..

..r-right?

It Kaymia. The guy can call people Smash idiots and tell them to draw better porn of his creations while still getting paid.

What you are experiencing is normal.

It took a while to click for me too. In fact, I didn't quite get the hang of it until I started watching a particular Lets Play series on it and it all started to make sense.

Bayonetta, especially the second one, is way more polished from a combat system standpoint.
Fact is, while W101 is an action game, it is also a lot of other games at the same time. It can be a shooting game, a strategy game, a puzzle game and so on.

I don't know, for me is really hard to compare W101 with Bayonetta, DMC and the likes. It really feels like its own thing. Like Katamari Damacy but less simple.

W101 is very similar to DMC1 in terms of game design.

Eh. I am not a sales data expert. But not only the sales are mediocre, the press basically trashed the game to the ground.

So can we all agree that the cube section is the worst gimmick level in the game?

You mean the "star fox" like flying sections?

It wont start to click til around operation 5 or 6 when you get all the core unite-Morphs. Once you get Black and White the game opens up like all fuck tomorrow.

I will say don't be one of those shitters who spam sword for main-combo. Every morph has a function in combat and sword's is not damage but knock-up.

Chip & Ironicus have a good let's play of this game that explains a whole lot of things and shows all the secrets/how to get pure platinum on (almost) every fight. He also runs down important things to buy from the store. Maybe try that?

But Bayo 2 has a worse combat system than the first game.

I love you Kamiya but you have a Twitter flame war addiction.

It takes longer than that to start "getting it". Just keep at it, and consider watching videos if you can't figure out how to play on your own - the game certainly won't tell you.

Every enemy, especially the tanks since they can fire from off-screen, have distinct sound clues for when they're attacking. Pay attention and memorize them, it'll save your ass more than you'd think
The cars are easy to counter, just unite guts their projectile and then wail on them
Team attack is incredibly useful. Hitting an enemy sticks a few wonderfuls on it, pikmin-like, who deal DoT and keep you locked-on to it. If you press A you'll basically teleport to them.
If you have 30 of each space fruit, craft a credit card and buy Ukemi as soon as it's available. Don't fall for the drill dodge, it removes most of the iframes from the move. Buy the attack liner for easy energy gain. Buy the upgrade that speeds up your wonderliner

The game has so much hidden tech it's not even funny, i advise you check chipandironicus.com's W101 LP, it contains some in-depth tutorials on enemies, moves and secrets

I bought the last copy in town in case I ever bought a Wii U, but probably won't.

How much can an unopened copy expect to go for in 5 or 10 years, when all the collector kiddies want to get a physical copy but couldn't?

The game is still available on sites at like 20 bucks. You aren't going to cash in for it, not even in 10 years.
So, sell it now to a platinum collector and call it a day.

The combat is good, but the game overall is kinda bad because like half of it is awful minigames and variety sections on par with the driving in Bayonetta or the underwater sections in DMC1.

...

>That moment when you realize Wonder Red has the same moveset of Viewtiful Joe

Quick, post your default leaders

Hand: Poseman
Sword: Jeanne
Gun: Sister
Whip: Scarf
Hammer: Yellow
Claws: Daddy
Bomb: Ghost

>Jeanne
Man, I'll never ever manage to unlock the Bayonetta trio.

>His stats are through the roof
>He's actually the slowest character in the game and dies in one hit

What did he mean by this?

Stat overflow joke

This game somehow features one of the most ballin' protagonists in all of video games and simultaneously one of the worst little shits ever: Red and Luka.

Red
>Cash as fuck aesthetics
>Cares about the future
>Is actually rather inexperienced and has command thrust onto him
>Doesn't whine about it and accepts responsibility for the team
>Puts the safety of his team paramount above all else
>Doesn't let his petty jealousy and vendettas get in the way of the assignment
>Delivers great one-liners
>Gets the best waifu
>Fueled by the power of JUSTICE

Luka
>Whiny shit
>Terrible design
>Constantly gets in the way
>Commits treason against Earth because MUH MOM
>Kills thousands, possibly millions
>Nearly hands Earth over on a silver platter
>Cries like a baby for being retard
>Is allowed to become a Wonderful One after all that shit

Fuck Luka.

>Luka, I know you're a useless, retard child that is the cause of thousands of casualties, but how about you join a team the consists of the smartest, strongest and most skilled people on the planet?

Fuck luka is right

I didn't even get to white and black before giving up. As another user said, the isometric camera is garbage, and why the holy fuck is there 1 fucking background song. It's just not that fun. It's not a matter of git gud it's just not fun. Clover was god tier, platinum is bad

>Gets the best waifu
Man of good taste.
And yes, Luka a shit. But I guess W101 is about redemption and not making mistakes that can have a bad end in the future. I mean think about all the story about the evil guy and the Wonderful One masks.

>is there 1 fucking background song
What the hell are you talking about

Yeah but shit is cyclical.

I know Earth becomes a horrible evil empire but GEATHJERK caused the CENTINELS to be created out of necessity. You can't fault anyone since it's paradoxical.

Been a while since I played, but to beat the tanks, reflect their charge attacks or bullet attacks with the pudding or reflect their laser with sword. You can also use team attack to attach Wonderful Ones to them to stun them, once they're stunned you can use a launcher to juggle them in the air. Eventually you'll unlock Hammer which IIRC can crack their armor. Reminder that you can pick up leftover bullets in the ground with Gun and shoot them back at them, and you can pick up stunned enemies with Whip and throw them at other enemies.

Didn't they basically stopped the cycle by saying they won't make mistakes in the future?

>Hammer
>Not Santa
Doing it wrong.

>Gets the best waifu
Damn straight. And it leaves Alice free for me to fawn over.

>that Kamiya in the book

>The 101st was that little shit instead of me
NELSON YOU LYING FUCK

They were wrong.

By the time the game begins the Earth is already ruled by an authoritarian government that has the power to draft civilians of any age or location into combat whenever they will it, and after the game is over the CENTINELS don't just go away.

not him, but Red only said that the future may change since they're not 100 anymore

Nigga it's ten thousand years in the future when the evil empire shit goes down
Wonder Red doesn't really have much say in the matter

Yeah, that, I mean I thought that changing a little detail might give a different future as results. But and make me thing I really missed the point. Man, that's sad if true.
Then again, if that's a loop, it means the bad guys will always be destroyed.

The game literally doesn't even start until Operation 006.

The biggest criticism is that until you get most of your core moves, the game feels incomplete, gameplay wise.

New game plus, is a better playthrough than the 1st run.

it's funny, because the game didn't click me once. Instead, it was several that made me going from boredom to fucking love it

>when the reactor is falling in 001-C
>the music from 002-A
>when you're saved by a pilot in 003
>Okami-like music for Wonder White
>Red vs Blue
>Punch Out! out of nowhere
>006-B (before the gradius part)
>Teio-Form

by the time 008 is around, I couldn't stop playing the shit out of it