Antagonist makes a clear point and explains his motives every well

>antagonist makes a clear point and explains his motives every well
>protagonist simply responds "ur dumb"

>antagonist makes a clear point and explains his motives every well
>protagonist simply responds "u shouldnt do that its evil"
>antagonists answers "you're right"
>conflict solved

Persona 4 thread?

That's exactly how it works on Sup Forums in any argument.

Accomplice ending is a great ending if not a little underwhelming

yeah, that's life.

>protagonist is the one fighting for the greater good
name one
hardmode: it has to be japanese

I'd rather keep shitposting outside of my vidya thanks

If you unironically thought Adachi wasn't just being a fucking manbabby you need to reevaluate your life.

>antagonist is a fucking retard with valid points
>every other character is constantly saying "He might actually be right!"

>wasting time arguing with someone way more eloquent than you instead of just stabbing him
Way to lose, retard.

>play game
>hero is a complete asshole out of nowhere
>he continues to be

>Antagonist's goals are actually far better and more reasonable than the protagonists'
>They never acknowledge this fact and kill the antagonist because he was mean to them

>Antagonist explains he's trying to save the world/universe his own, safer way that might lose a few lives in the process.
>Protagonist and friends beat him down yelling about how their much riskier way is a lot better.
>Game ends with the protagonist giving a speech about how they're going to do things their own way, but it is never stated if the actually succeed.

The confrontation scene with Adachi is literally what happened in the OP

>Antagonist is easily sympathized and is mostly in the right with his motives
>protagonist says "stop that"
>"okay"
>the end
Name the game

>Protagonist is the antagonist

Isnt one of the spec ops games like that?

Every Mario game

His motivations were well explained, doesn't stop him being a madman with an entitlement complex who murdered and manipulated for shits & giggles.

>this what edgy Sup Forums believes
wew lad

I don't know.
>protagonist kills everyone for fun

Ficking dragonfall. The whole debate was not only pointless but unsatisfying as fuck.

>I did my research, the plan will work
>I think you didn't test it enough, there might be unforseen complications
>My theoretical calculations are perfect fuck you
>Your brother (who you killed btw) would not approve of that plan
>Nooooooooo

The Line. The main character is nothing but an asshole who directly and indirectly kills literally every soldier and civilian in the city.

>Antagonist reveals he doesn't believe any of the shit he was fighting for.
>He was just trying to give you something to fight against so you could level up and be ready for when the real antagonist shows up.

Naruto

Go home, Adachi.

And then it shows he's completely wrong and he fucks the entire world up if you go along with him

>the protagonist is the ghost of the antagonist's body

>antagonist goes through hilarious extents spanning three DLCs chasing him and his whereabouts in some grand setup
>finally meet the person
>his motives turn out to be completely retarded and non-sensical, but he's clearly also mentally damaged anyways
>stalwart about his convictions

>one speech check; you stop that
>antagonist: okay.

>bonus points; after resolving the conflict, walk behind him and push the button to do what he was going to do anyways.


New Vegas: Lonesome Road why u do dis

>they say the pen is mightier than the sword
>in that case you won't mind if I strike you down!

The protagonist goes on to write an apology letter to all the monsters slain in the journey.

>protagonist and antagonist literally want the exact same thing
>protagonist asks why they don't just work together
>'YEAH WELL MAYBE I WILL... OR MAYBE I WONT BECAUSE IM EVILLLL'

Anyone who unironically defends Mass Effect 3 should be publicly executed.

He never killed anyon tho

>Can't you see, I'm trying to save lives
>But then why did you kill all those people instead of """"""saving"""""" them
>I don't know man, I thought it would be cool

>want to work with humanity first movement in 2
>have to end game telling him to suckamuhdick
Why

Yeah, never happened, Edgelord.

Not vidya.

Sage and report.

>Be a goodie two shoes the entire game
>Antagonist pokes fun at how much of a boy scout you are the whole time
>In the end you have to option to butcher him and everyone who sided with him.

The most satisfying ending.

Antagonist: My cause is just!
Protagonist: It alienates 95% of the people on this planet!
Antagonist: It's worth the sacrifice!

>antagonist is a legitimate war hero who got jewed by the jews out of the financial compensation that he and his fellow soldiers rightfully deserved
>they end up living in poverty while the jews live a lavish life of luxury
>they rebel against their jewish overlords
>because you were born to a jewish family you are somehow the hero in this story

Tales of symphonia

Don't recognize this.

>Antagonist: "I sacrifice only a few lives for the greater good."
>Antagonist adjusts his fedora

ur dumb

Dark Cloud 2

I saw it more as "Your obsession not only depends that nothing bad will happen after you kill the most powerful beings in the world and killed many people, but you also killed your brother who spend decades trying to help you"

>antagonist are terrorists
>they're Russians

What are some games where the antagonist is right and the protagonist realises this but kills him anyways because he's gotten so far?

the wolf among us thread?

Alpha Protocol and ME's Citadel DLC come to mind.

New Vegas lets you do this too depending on what route you take.

Deus Ex kinda forces you to butcher everyone from Unatco.

If you are a mage you can know why is a very bad idea to exterminate the dragons.

Kind of off topic but is there any game where Americans and Russians team up to fight a common threat?

UNATCO?

muv luv

>"""" villains""""" motives and actions are better than the "protagonist"

>antagonist takes advantage of you the entire game because you're stupid, guillible and made a poor choice for a friend

You don't have to kill anyone in Deus Ex

Savage

>Protagonist is a dick
>There is no antagonist

>Protagonist barely does anything wrong and saves a ton of lives
>Antagonist is actually evil and has almost no good points about his cause
>Protagonist knows for a fact how the antagonist will never change his ways no matter what
>Final Battle, protagonist has the option to kill the antagonist on the grounds of "He's done nothing but kill for no reason and will never change."
>"But Protagonist! If you kill him, you'll be just as bad as him!"
I will never stop hating this

>antagonist concisely explains his motives, facts are on his side
>can't join him even though you know he's right
>protagonist is just a moralfag who acts on emotional impulses and not reason

Soooo... Disgaea?

He killed two women.

At least one of them was straight up murdered.

FFIV?

I don't think you can avoid Gunther, Anna, and Simons without glitching. And even then it treats you like you killed them.

>antagonist just wants to bring joy to children

>this happens in Xenoblade
>cringe hard, begin to fear the game is back to falling into jap cliche garbage
>after, in last dungeon
>Shulk: I won't let fear disrupt me from justice anymore!
>explodes the shit out of both antagonist and side kick

That was appreciated.

Does the antagonist of FFIV steal your footage of you doing a McTwist over a helicopter?

Xenoblade Chronicles is every cliche done right

>Seven minutes
>Seven minutes is all I can spare to play with you, kitty

>antagonist just wants you to keep enjoying the game.

>World threatening calamity on the way
>antagonist wants to use mean but necessary means to end it, like sacrificing a person
>Protag: "No, there MUST be some other way! We'll find another way!"
>Antagonist: "There is no other way, it has to happen"
>There actually is no other way.
>Protags fight and win
>oh shit how do you resolve this disaster now
>Power of friendship speech
>Suddenly DEUS EX MACHINA out of fucking nowhere saves the day

>antagonist has motives to to save life on the planet
>protagonist points out a flaw that makes it plan fail
>antagonist admits he is wrong and kills himself.

Metal Gear Rising

I'm not joking, Armstrong's speech was entirely bullshitting, even the part about 'the strong will be on top' since he was planning to just sell the nanomachines to the highest bidders.

The Master?

>antagonist has motives to to save life on the planet
>it involves killing all life on the planet

Final Fantasy Tactics.

Strangely so.
Every time they are leaning towards a giant cliche bomb, it manages to take an U turn and make it into an unexpected nod towards said cliche with a satisfying conclusion.
Most of it I believe stems from the fact they actually made Shulk into an intelligent individual with an actual opinion instead of the average retard with a heart of gold every japanesse developer feels the need of shoehorning into the main character role.

Nah just blackmails you once and brainwashes your jelous friend into betraying you like three times.

>Antagonist wants to end the world
>To do this he needs to be killed
>Protagonists vow to stop him
>They do this by killing him like the retards they are.
>The world fucking ends
>lol jk the power of friendship fixed everything

Greater good and greater good, maybe later on. But Ramza's whole deal is more like.
>oh my god can someone just give me back my fucking sister already I've literally been to half the country as it is

>antagonist is actually a good guy who feigns taking over the entire world just so he can draw out the big evil and in the process he makes everyone think he's a dick

>Defeat antagonist
>Ancient evil awakens
>Defeat the final boss
>Ancienter evil awakens
>Defeat some random mook
>The end

Fuck Jin. That will still be fucking stupid for not telling anyone.

I'm sure there are many more idiots who did this in other games.

Shame they dropped the ball with Folles, he was completely correct. Until he made a fucking 180.

>antagonist makes a clear point and explains his motives every well
>protagonist struggles with himself but still opposes the antagonist for what he's done to him

Or, alternatively, FF IX version.

>Kuja's insanity gets bigger the more you bring him to the brink of Trance
>Naturally you fight him so he doesn't go into trance's last stage
>You get into trance the more you fight/closer to death
>????
>Kuja explodes the everything because you fought him

>... So you fight Death to not die.
>But you can't kill death.
>But you make him retreat.
>But you can't escape, because you are dead.
>But you escape because Kuja teleports you.
>?????
>Happy ending out of the blue and Death never shows up again.

>Antagonist gives you the choice between saving hundreds or thousands of people or saving 1 or 2 assholes.
>Save the majority like any rational human being
>HURRR IT'S YOUR FAULT THEY DIED, I AM TOTALLY BLAMELESS EVEN THOUGH I PERSONALLY GUNNED THEM DOWN IN COLD BLOOD.

Final Fantasy 13 to a fucking T

>Game's plot is based on there being two mirrored worlds
>Antagonist is simply trying to save their own world after their version of you failed
>Their plan, of course, requires sacrificing yours to do so

Yeah but those guys were evil, I was talking about the regular soldiers.

At least they attached that little bit in War of the Lions where the "why" to the turn is explained slightly. He does oppose to it for a few moments. So I guess they realized it didn't exactly make much sense to just jump into the demon crusade rollercoaster like that.

>game gives you the option to shoot the hostages and the villain

Cerberus had such great potential.

They were a badass private organization that put humanity first (and still wasn't even that racist). They didn't put up with the bullshit from the council and did things their own way.

Then ME3 happened

>antagonist makes a lot of very good points
>until you find out he carried around his wife's severed head in a blowing bag

What game

Mass Effect does this a few times.

>BATMAN NEVER KILLS.
>HE JUST LEAVES THEM WITH BROKEN BONES OUT IN THE COLD OR HANGING FROM PLACES TO GET ELECTROCUTED OR DROPPED TO THE GROUND.
>IT'S NOT BATMAN'S FAULT. HE DINDU NUFFIN.

>antagonist gives you a choice between two groups of people to kill
>rewarded for killing both

>"Antagonist" is constantly warning the protagonist and his friends about why they shouldn't stop him
>They still try to stop him because he did one bad thing
>Eventually, they do
>The exact thing the Antagonist was warning them about happens because they stopped him
>"Why didn't you tell us this would happen!"
I'm still mad

Saving his sister and stopping the church went hand in hand since they had her captive. He made it pretty clear he knew the shit they were doing was wrong and he was gonna put a stop to it. Most of the game is spent opposing them, not chasing Alma.