The most fun MOBA is currently dying. Is this a sign that the genre itself is dying?

The most fun MOBA is currently dying. Is this a sign that the genre itself is dying?

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DotA isn't dying though

But LoL is fine?

> Dying

Heroes of the storm is just a fun brawl game with blizz characters. Focusing on comp modes ruined the game.

Oversaturation of the market, and casuals who became enraptured by something new are just now jumping onto the new fad that is FPSMOBA.

It is the nature of all things, to burn bright for a time and then fade to obscurity and darkness.

HotS is an ok game. Played 20 hours and was done with it. There's no long term replayability.

>literally cant do shit by youself
>cant even build items as you like
>buying new heroes is grindier than even lol
>fun

No it isn't.

LoL has a minor audience, not significant.

Dota2 is not dying, still earning $

>LoL has a minor audience
You are clearly delusional

I'm a Dota player, but it's really really obvious that LoL has a much bigger audience and community. Check yourself friendo

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riiiight, even HALO got a higher pool prize
lmao

people keep saying its dying, where are the proofs

>3 levels ahead the entire game, crushing them
>1 bad team fight and they're now 1 level head and win the game at 20 minutes

We are talking about audience though.
LoL has more players total
LoL has more players at any given time
LoL streams sit at the top viewed streams %90 of the time
LoL tournaments have much more viewers than DotA2 tournaments

Hmm. Maybe it's not actually the most fun to the average person who isn't braindead? Have you ever considered that?
HotS is assfaggots with everything enjoyable or satisfying sucked out of the formula, I would literally rather watch paint dry than play it

HotS isn't dead though. It has less players than dota and lol but you can still easily find games. Plus blizzard is still shoveling money into it.

>HotS is assfaggots with everything enjoyable or satisfying sucked out of the formula

You got it backwards m8

HOTS is the MOBA genre boiled down to the enjoyable and satisfying parts

You get that nice "sick play" endorphin rush, without the boring stupid shit that plagues other MOBAs

Heck, that's why Overwatch is so successful, it actually further refines the MOBA formula, to the point where it's just an FPS game with MOBA elements, so you can get those "sick play" endorphin rushes even quicker

It even has a "Play of the game" showcase so that everyone can see your cool play

>HOTS is the MOBA genre boiled down to the enjoyable and satisfying parts
>mashing low cooldown, microscopic impact spells in blob teamfights is what's fun about assfaggots
I pity your shit taste

Overwatch nas no moba element besides announcing multikills and MAYBE ultimate skills.you are also fucking delusional/have shit taste şf you think hots is any good

>playing minion-whack-a-mole for 20+ minutes to get enough stat-sticks so that the enemy can't fight back against your numerical advantage is what's fun about assfaggots

Nice memes tho bro

>You get that nice "sick play" endorphin rush, without the boring stupid shit that plagues other MOBAs
>>You get that nice "sick play" endorphin rush
There is literally zero potential for "sick plays" in HotS. The game is so fucking dumbed down and braindead.
You people are insane, it would be entirely possible for there to be an assfaggots where the length and farming aspects are removed but it still has actual deep combat mechanics but HotS is not it. HotS heavily simplified that alongside removing everything else.

>There is literally zero potential for "sick plays" in HotS.

Nice meme bro

>last hitting minions for 15 minutes on "laning phase"
>getting killed by X factor giving your opponent a massive advantage
>almost impossible to turn tables
>one guy stomping because he managed to kill my less skilled team mate
Sure, Ill stick with HotS

The presence or absence of "minion whack a mole" has nothing to do with the fact that HotS's combat somehow manages to be even more dull, forgiving, and generally idiot-proofed than LoL's.
Fuck off, retard. Learn why people are actually criticizing your game.

>no proof
Thanks for proving my point

>losing a team fight with a 3 level advantage

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What are the indicators that HotS is dying? I haven't played in a few weeks, it seemed fine to me.

>HotS
>Fun
It's the biggest pile of shit Blizzard has ever created. An achievement considering D3 exists.

That's because Halo waste money, they got less viewers than Street fighter v's first tourney zozzle which only gave 15k to the winner. They only had to put 1 mil then put the other million into development costs

I wish more people would play it but I'm having fun and it gets constant updates, so what is there to talk about?

tfw my dota friends put 100+ hours into hots instead of LoL. only because friends of friends wnated to play together...why not just play together in LoL, sometimes I hate friends that push other friends to play with them even if they dont like it, I cant tell if theyre true friends or fucking drones

Yeah bro, we get it, HOTS sucks because it's not named "Dota 2"

LoL is kind of like WoW right now.
Even when it totally fucks up the community and people are leaving left and right, it still has a level of success and popularity that every other moba can't even dream of reaching.

>only because friends of friends wnated to play together...why not just play together in LoL
Because LoL is fucking garbage. There's no point playing anything with that kind of forced meta unless it's the only game in the genre you play and you just have no point of reference on how terrible of a system it is for a strategy game where you build a team out of 100+ "unique" characters.

because hots has strategy

>oops I got proven wrong, better just start shitposting instead of trying to think of an actual rebuttal
thanks for the show, user

Who the fuck said that?
Dota players prefer to play HotS on the side rather than LoL because it's the fast paced, loose and arcadey take on the formula instead of some retarded mix that can't decide what it wants to be where it's really simplified and casual yet it forces a meta as if it's a field sport and presents itself as something super hardcore and serious.

But user, you didn't prove that user wrong, you merely stated that their criticism is invalid without explaining why.

Bro you're the one using Dota Doublethink here

Nothing will convince you

So yeah, we get it, you don't like HOTS because it's not Dota 2

Dumb Blizzard spent all their money on the movie and Overwatch.
What they should do now is allocate their resources back to HotS and increase character fidelity, increase visual aspects as a whole, and finally start bringing in OW stars such as Winston, Genji and Hanzo into the game.

>being so fucking bad at reading comprehension and so far in denial that you selectively read posts to perpetuate excuses to yourself for playing objectively inferior video games

LoL is the most popular still but I really do think it is dying. A lot of people I knew left it for Hearthstone and a lot of people left again for Overwatch, and combined with the community for the game starting to get fed up with Riot's shit new matchmaking system it may be bleeding players.

As far as innovation and potential goes LoL has been dead since the end of Season 2 though.

Post your Hotslogs

>not a single mention of dota from anyone but you
Thanks for admitting you're retarded
Why even reply, it would have been far less embarrassing for you to just close the thread

Post your rebuttal

Why? HotS is shit they threw together on the shitty SC2 engine.

Rebuttal to what??

Please try actually reading user, you're making a fool of yourself

It's pretty garbage. I can't believe that the game needs to log every single action that every player takes. It takes longer to reconnect to the game than you've been gone disconnected, and when it finally catches up you need to wait even longer for the 2 minutes you spent reconnecting.

But I have fun with it every now and then. This weekend all the characters are unlocked so it's really fun and exciting. Usually you only ever see the free week heroes and abathur.

I don't like HotS because the only mode that had decent queues was the tryhard mode.

Quick Match had like 7 minute queues and the matches were garbage.

Dota 2 is still the only game that just lets you have fun with shit like custom games and whatnot.

Here I'll save us some time

I rebut you, then you say some OTHER dumb shit that only Dotards say, then we go right back to my original point that you only don't like HOTS because it's not Dota(because I was just trying to save us time by saying that)

Because their brand name and image is on the line.
Knowing Blizzard they will continue to upgrade and refine the game

>It takes longer to reconnect to the game than you've been gone disconnected
It takes longer to reconnect to the game than the game had lasted. It's complete garbage that they never fixed it. One dc on your team could mean having to deal with a bot for at least a third of the game if not half even though the guy tried his best to reconnect.

>if I call him a dota player his valid criticism that has nothing to do with dota magically don't count
ebin
see >if I try to make a shitty rebuttal, you'll keep shoot it down with more rebuttals! until I have none left!
You do realize this is how a debate works, and you're literally admitting you can't win it, right?
Like I said, why even reply

>because this moba is shit they threw together on an RTS engine
Alright?

It's too little too late to fix it now. It's already dead and all but abandoned by the C Team working on it.

>valid criticism

lmao

You used a bunch of buzzwords and memes like "impactful"

Shit that only Dota players say

So here we go

If Dota's abilities are so "impactful," then there's no real strategy to using them, you just hit the button and then you win

>here I'll save us some time
>I'm gonna lose the debate

I don't get this. Why is it abandoned? They're going to keep adding content.

Dawngate died over a year ago ;_;

It's not abandoned, it has 2 Starcraft maps coming, Gul'dan, Samuro and Auriel coming with many more heroes coming every few weeks.
Come back to me when Pitlord stops being a carrot on a stick.

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The game director literally said 1 month ago that they have a few million active players and over 100 developers. I don't get this dead game meme.

>if I say "buzzwords" I don't have to respond to anything lol
>everyone knows I'm retarded and I'm effectively admitting I'm wrong but lying to myself helps me sleep at night
see >If Dota's abilities are so "impactful," then there's no real strategy to using them, you just hit the button and then you win
>This glaring proof of fucking astronomical lack of understanding of what you're trying to discuss
It's time to stop posting
High impact, situational spells that reward organization and high reaction time is what creates depth and strategy, weak tickling abilities with tiny CC that let you get away easier with fucking up and reward you less for combining and timing things properly does not
How can anyone be this stupid? Am I getting baited

SHUT UP
IT LIVE INSIDE MY HEART

i iis you king of masks

>the only assfaggots worse than LoL
>people miss it for some reason

Like a parasite

Seemed like it was doing pretty well a little more than a month ago.

Holy shit, they still haven't added pitlord?
Remember when they were putting out 3 or 4 guys at a time? What the hell, it'll have been 2 years since the last guy at this rate.

You mean pre release when they had to grind out heroes to fill up a small roster? They release a hero every 3 weeks now and have been since launch.

It played a lot like when LoL was fun and was the game Riot always wanted to make but never could. Constant fighting all over the map with fun characters that could be built for whatever role you wanted them to play.

Dota 2 doesn't need the gimmick of adding a new hero every month to be relevant.

>fad

>The thing that I said would happen happened

Whoa, what a surprise

I thought pitlord as the carrot on a stick was referring to Dota. Arc Warden did not come out 3 weeks ago.

HotS is fine, nobody gives a fuck if MLG esports fags play it competitively.

All heroes are free this weekend too.

>I predicted that you'd prove why I'm wrong
Are you just on my side at this point?

Need something to motivate the goyims. He's literally held for ransom.
>being this delusional.

Are you retarded? I guess you must be.

>No source showing that there actually are millions of players
>"We have millions of players! Just trust us on that!"
Typical Blizzard jewery. I'm sure WoW still has million* of players too.

>when completely relevant criticism against my point is something that's reflected in a game I don't like, it doesn't count
How old are you?

I'm sorry that nobody takes your casual e-sport seriously. Maybe once HotS has half the depth of Dota 2 people will actually give a shit about it. But that's not likely, can't even make a decent FPS.

The visuals was absolute puking inducing garbage that's all i can remember from it.

>The most fun MOBA
It managed to feel worse to play than LoL.

What the fuck does "relevant" even mean? I never hear anything about ANY moba.
The selling point is being able to play as the Blizzard characters you want. What point are you trying to prove? Dota 2 is better, so what? They just released a character and have more coming.

It's been "dying" ever since it came out according to Sup Forums

But it's far from the truth

The characters are cheaply designed and are nerfed once everybody has impulse-bought them. They can't compare to Dota 2's heroes. Where's HotS's Rubick and Invoker? What skill or knowledge is even required to play?

>"If you criticize Dota 2 then you obviously haven't played it" is a valid criticism

That criticism literally nobody made?

Let's say I agree with you. What does that have to do with the game being "abandoned?" Why do you care that people play it?

>has less viewers than MKX on Twitch
>"Millions of players"
Fucking please.

>2016
>Still using the amount of retards of twitch as a benchmark

Stop

Why do you defend a game that charges $10 for heroes? Are you a Nexon fan or something? This game is everything wrong with the genre, right down to it being completely dumbed down for retards.

It's like asking why would I care that people play Battleborn. I don't, it's just bizarre when people are proud that they do.

>Tfw big group of friends
>tfw like 9 out of 10 friends play dota 2 all the time and we all enjoy it in our ways
>Tfw the 10th friend is Gigantic Autist that only Plays HoTS and will defend that game to death and always talk shit about how much more skillful it is than Dota 2
>Tfw can't even begin to tell him about how much Dota 2 is better in every way because of how much Autism he has
How the fuck do people did with this kind of shit Jesus christ

If you play the game you will unlock everything. The genre is already something dumbed down for retards. And you are just looking to fling shit.

>play solo Q
>it's so fucking shit at times
>start playing with RL friends/ /vg/ at times(they're actually decent)
>have the most vidya-related fun i've had in years
i know this is typical, but still it's great when you're not playing by yourself

Content shouldn't be gated behind a paywall, especially content that changes the gameplay. That's called being P2W, and no amount of grinding will change that. Dota 2's heroes are all free, there's no excuse for Blizzard, a multi-million dollar company, to not give heroes for free. It's pure greed.

The only reason Dota2 gets away with their pricing model is because
A) hard working community members such as myself brainstormed and shared these ideas
B) It's Valve's cash cow for idiots spending money on their hat grinding simulator

We get it bros, you don't like HOTS because it's not Dota 2

Dota 2 does everything right, yes, yes, we get it

The people that play these games, that's you, play these for hours and hours. It's all they do day and night. And then they brag about their hours played as if it's the only thing that matters. If you play the game you will unlock everything.