ITT: Pure ludo (video game equivalent of "kino")

ITT: Pure ludo (video game equivalent of "kino")

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Uhmm... excuse me, but where can I look up the definition of these epic Sup Forums made-up words?

ĐiệnWorlds

It hasn't been as fun ever since WB marketers started using it to push their shitty superman movie

SotC

Reminder that Sup Forums thinks dumb trash like Drive is kino, making that meme completely meaningless

>tfw can't resolve ludokinotic dissonance in my game design

>having kino in your ludo

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Doesn't mean Sup Forums can't allow the meaning of "ludo" to diverge from Sup Forums's pedestrian interpretation of "kino."

Not saying it's going to happen, but it's still a remote possibility.

What's the problem again?

Call of Duty Ghosts

One of the purest

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it isn't pure ludo if you mix up kino in it

pure ludo are games like dark souls that tell the story through the environment

The only pure ludo video game ever made.

The Original Ludos.

They still have kino on DS
Kino isn't a problem, how you use it is

This. Also, no MGS game would be ludo, as they are mostly movie games.

Ludo is about gameplay (though gameplay may possibly drive story and other things). Ludo is the highest level of gaming: every frame, every mechanic, every in-game player decision - a transcendental experience.

So Doom is probably the Gold Standard

I'll vouch for Frozen Synapse as ludo

DooM is probably ludo. Also, Descent.

Frozen Synapse definitely.

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ICO/SOTC

>MGS are movie games meme
And then when we got a fully "ludo" game with V, it turned out to be shit and no MGS elements at all.

>as they are mostly movie games.

100%ing MGS2 Substance is the hardest and most fulfilling task of any stealth videogame. Better than Thief. Better than Chaos Theory. Better than Mark of the Ninja.

I'm not even joking either.

2 actually is the hardest MGS

>Ludo is about gameplay (though gameplay may possibly drive story and other things). Ludo is the highest level of gaming: every frame, every mechanic, every in-game player decision - a transcendental experience.

Guys there's a point where our memes,shitposting and irony need to stop. I think we've reached it.

How do you know he wasn't being sincere? This kind of sincerity is what Sup Forums needs.

With this board I can't even tell anymore.

Earthbound is better.

Is this the canonical list (in descending order, from high art to low art)?

Ludo
Computerspiel
Videospiel
Video Game
Videogame
Vidya
App

ehh, on second thought, remove "Videospiel." It could probably be absorbed into "Computerpspiel."

Ludo
Game
Interactive Experience

Thats all you need

I at least like "App" there, too, at the bottom.

There are "games" that are lower art than "interactive experiences."

What is an example of "interactive experience?"

Her Story
Gone Home
Journey
Heavy Rain

Gone Home, Last-of-Us, many VNs, some RPGS, etc.

basically games that have no real win-fail state an are not driven by their mechanics, they exist to tell a story more than anything

An example of Game would be something like Halo or Resident Evil, games that have soid mechanics that drive the game while the story is something of a bonus

Ludo is a game that does this all to perfection

Dwarf Fortress is ludo
MGS2 is a game
The Last of Us is an interactive experience
Fifa is an app

Ludo - Kino
Jeu d'ordinateur - Film
Video game - movie
Walking simulator / App - Flick

Last of Us do have many interactive experience moments but it's still a game. You can fail.
Also would add Telltale in the interactive experience

>FIFA is an app
what
I'm not into sports games but that makes no sense
I hope you have some logic to back it up because that sound some sort of muh tastes bs

I consider "app" to be the lowest form, as it is the most commercialized. Fifa is one of many examples of this - 100% commodity items meant to be replaced each year. No art here - just sales.

I suppose mobile trash might fall into this category, too, but for different reasons.

I kind of like Videospiel or Computerspiel over Jeu d'ordinateur, but Jeu d'ordinateur definitely isn't a bad term.

So what about Telltale games? They are definetly not ludo but they have some quality on it
Putting it on the same category as Gone Home that is a bad attempting to make something artistic seems odd

"Interactive Experience" dosent mean its bad, it just distinguishes it from actual games.

Are you saying they should be above Gone Home, or below it?

>ludo
>kino
Fuck off Sup Forums, you're not forcing anymore memes.

also this

I'm saying they are different things
I think we are on an era where we should put a line between what is a game and what is an interactive experience

ludo is home-grown Sup Forums, my friend

Let me break it down for the retarded among you.
A video game is a simple juvenile product aimed towards normies designed to waste your time with "fun" and "entertainment". Examples of this are MGS 3, Hitman: Blood Money, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, Deus Ex, etc.
An interactive experience is an experience aimed at the true vidya pundits that realizes the true strengths of our incredible medium and produces actual meaningful and long-lasting content from it, what normies consider as "gameplay" can exist, but it's on the background of the actual art and heart of the experience. Examples of this are MGS 2, Planescape Torment, Until Dawn, Gone Home, etc.
Finally, there's ludo, the piece of art so masterful it breaks all boundaries and illusions of "fun" for the sake of actual deep and meaningful interaction with our great blue world. Only the most patrician of vidya masters will hold these in high regard. There's not as many examples of these as there are of the others, unfortunately, but a few off the top of my head are MGS 4, pic related and I have no doubts Death Stranding will join this illustrious list.

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Solid bait

right?

Descent is Ludo
Quake is a videospiel / Jeu d'ordinateur
DooM is a video game
Halo is an app

Bravo, couldn't have said it better myself

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's a joke.
>People actually taking the kino meme seriously and trying to do the equivalent for video games without any irony.
Kill yourselves.

the point was admiring the well crafted bait

Can Chinese Moot just nuke Sup Forums already?

They make Sup Forums look sane.

Kino is the problem. Everyone should filter everything with kino in it to dramatically improve this site.

What's so bad about Sup Forums?

"interactive experience" is a dumb term; too wordy. I like ludo / videospiel / video game / app better.

It's almost entirely memes and shit posting. I think the average age of posters is around 16-17

Too much Sup Forums shit injected into everything.

>It's almost entirely memes and shit posting.
sounds like Sup Forums

yeah Sup Forums and Sup Forums and Sup Forums are probably the shittiest boards on this site hands down.

Aurora is pure ludo

intexp is better to you?

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Since Kino is about visuals, artistic merit and film qualities over narrative I declare Ludo (ludic: of, relating to, or characterized by play : playful ) is all about gameplay.

That being said MGS2 is indeed Ludo but thanks to its gameplay, not to the plot.

Super Mario Galaxy is Ludo.
SMT is Ludo.

>Since Kino is about visuals, artistic merit and film qualities over narrative I declare Ludo (ludic: of, relating to, or characterized by play : playful ) is all about gameplay.
Absolutely

No. Ludo is gameplay.

Videogames or Video interactive experiences is the one for cinematic narrative shit.

Why 64 Majora? Darker light?

I think that should be obvious

Sell me on Killer 7.

And Silent Hill has shit gameplay, shit interactions, shit enemies other than Pyramid Head and no ludic challenge. Even if we are talking just about plot and symbolism, Rule of Rose shits all over it. Thats the real narrative horror masterpiece.

3DS version can be used if you absolutely HAVE to, but the fact it has a different development team from MM64 shows that there are likely some things that were removed in transition. Not to mention MM64 has the superior lighting and grafix (in terms of complimenting the narrative and gameplay, I mean. Objectively, the 3DS version has superior grafix.)

I also believe the racism in the game was removed, but I couldn't tell you because I didn't explore that when I played it (and returned it since I didn't like it)

I can't describe it without even slightly spoiling it. All I can really say is that it's about the struggle between western and eastern culture, ideology, and moral values.

Back to Sup Forums you memeshitting faggot

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Why is it that people always reach for storylines first when they look for "art" games?

Games have the capability to be art in far deeper ways than just telling stories - namely, through depth of mechanics and other aspects of GAMEplay.