What would Sup Forums like to see out of the next Borderlands game? I personally would like to see a Destiny spin to it, I like the idea of having a hub world to see other players to show off your shit in town or something. Also Krieg needs to come back.
Also is anyone still playing any of the Borderland Games?
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I loved Tales from the Borderlands, I hope after the shit that was Battleborn, Gearbox focuses on Borderlands 3 or hands it to a developer that knows how to write a story, because Tales showed that Borderlands is capable of having a good story in a wacky universe.
This, it is actually hilarious that they sourced their IP to someone else who handled the story and humor that were levels ahead better than anything gearbox came up with
>Generals on Sup Forums
I dumped thousands of hours into BL2 so it'd be a shame if Gearbox kept milking it for another couple years instead of bringing something new to the table.
Me and my wife play borderlands on Xbox a bit. Split screen 60fps BL2 and Pre Sequel is pretty nice
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Are any of the BL2 headhunter packs worth it?
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Too bad all BL1 guns looked the same. BL2 system is a big improvement.
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If you like Mr.Torque the Thanksgiving one is alright, wouldn't recommend the others unless you reaaaaaally want the associated heads/skins you can get.
it's not about looking the same. it's about variety.
weapon manufacturer limitations limit the amount of weapon combinations you have and further limit their usefulness. you simply had weapons you just did not use at all.
if their most memorable slogan is having "a bazillion guns" then why was there even less guns than the first game?
>it's about variety
I'm playing an FPS. I don't care if there's a 5000 or 5000000 combinations when they all look similar and I will use only 0.1% of them anyway, instantly discarding all the rest as trash. Hell, there's even less reason to upgrade in 1 because of: - you get a good Legendary in 1 and it lasts you for 20-ish levels!
>you simply had weapons you just did not use at all
Wow, just like Borderlands 1 then!
No destiny MMO bullshit. You want that, go play Destiny or Battleborn.
I want a new Borderlands where you can create your own character (customize abilities, looks, specializations, etc.)
Now your argument isn't making sense.
BL definitely had more weapon combinations, but that naturally leads to more combinations that are straight out undesirable and useless.
And honestly, guns that actually function differently add way more variety than "SMG X with 50 dmg and 30 mag" vs "SMG X with 60 dmg and 20 mag".
I do agree that BL2 is noticeably worse than the first, but it's way more to do with the retarded exponential scaling and the unbearable writing than the guns.
I want it to cause Gearbox to go bankrupt already, no dev is more deserving of going out of business.
Well, maybe Bioware but they aren't as scummy, they just suck at making games.
Purples are absolutely useless in BL2.
you end up using fewer weapons in BL2 because the game doesn't give you an opportunity to have good weapons.
it should be possible to find a really good weapon but it shouldn't happen all the time. that's what makes good weapons so beloved. because they are so rare.
if every weapon by default is to have an advantage or disadvantage over others by the manufacturer gimmick then you will absolutely never pick them up, regardless if they are unique or legendary. Every weapon should be useful in some way.
if you didn't play Borderlands 2 before the patches that buffed a lot of weapons, then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Things were so bad back then.
I once found an Atlas Revolver that was only a Blue in BL1, but I used that fucking thing for like 20 levels before it FINALLY got outdone.
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you guys should really play the first game. revolvers are so great.
yes. powerful weapons should exist but should be balanced by how rare they come about.
>Purples are absolutely useless in BL2
That is true!
>you end up using fewer weapons in BL2
That isn't, you have to swap due to scaling.
>gimmicks
Depend on preference or build.
>Every weapon should be useful in some way.
That's not possible and if you believe BL1 had that goal reached you're crazy.
So you mean exactly like BL2, where the legendaries are retardedly rare?
Your argument is all over the place man.
they make them retardedly rare to punish players and to keep them playing their game. why do you think purples are so shit? they force you to grind them
>That isn't, you have to swap due to scaling.
proves my point above, but the reason you end up using less weapons in borderlands 2 is because the manufacturer gimmicks suck. some are straight up better than others. When was the last time you had a good Bandit weapon? When was the last time you had a good non-Torgue Assault Rifle?
I urge you to read the post about Slag weapons.
>Depend on preference or build.
the characters could utilize any weapon but would benefit more if they had a specialization
>When was the last time you had a good Bandit weapon
I usually use the shotgun you get after the TMNT quest. Last time I played with friends I was a Gunzerker so I asked them to give me theirs too and dual-wielded the best of them. I had a couple of Torgue ARs I used but generally ARs in BL2 suck, that's not really a Torgue problem, that's an AR problem. They're too inaccurate and aren't damaging enough.
I think I had a few good Bandit shotguns here and there. But last time I played I was playing as the Psycho and just cared much less about min-maxing my weapons.
I thought the Thanksgiving one was the weakest of the headhunters and Salvador's skin was the only good thing to come of it, other than a little more time with Torgue.
>that's an AR problem
so you are saying that in most cases you wouldn't touch assault rifles? so that's only, what, an entire weapon type that isn't used?
when did you guys start playing Borderlands 2 by the way? just wanted to know because they actually patched Bandit weapons because they were so bad initially and still is for the most part.
They did fuck up AR class in 2. I never said the system was perfect. I'm just saying that ARs being bad has nothing to do with manufacturer gimmicks - they're just a bad weapon class that needs a buff or rework in 3 (maybe it already was reworked in PS, I have no idea).
I'm also not a fan of how SMGs are shit for most classes but good for Siren because she can boost their damage ridiculously with her class mods. Generally, I'd prefer if rapid-fire weapons got more love. Heavy machine gun weapon type, maybe.
>when did you guys start playing Borderlands 2 by the way?
Uhhh, maybe 3 years after release?
>they actually patched Bandit weapons because they were so bad initially
Isn't post-release support a good thing, anyway?
CREATE
YOUR
OWN
WEAPON
that's all i want
also an item world
You know, shit company aside I really did enjoy some of the things from this game, I just wish it could have been done better. Humor was 50/50 for me although I did come around and enjoyed tiny Tina and claptrap. The game play itself was kind of boring with how much of a damage sponge the enemies were. Skill trees seemed pretty cool. I loved making the bird on Mordecais strong as fuck because it tore enemies to shreds most of the time. Never really got to enjoy them with friends, and the friend who got me into the games was always overpowered and didn't really let me enjoy the story of anything for that matter. Played tales from the borderlands and it rekindled what little I liked about the games and hope it continues. Also is there a route for getting the bro tier chick in totb? Or is it just the other chick only?
a lot of people were complaining for years and by the time they finally changed things, most of the original people who stuck around during the bad times had left already and the new players who came never saw how bad it really was.
you should have seen the outrage for the Seraph weapons. They were even worse than legendaries and some even worse than purples. You had an SMG that you couldn't aim for shit and ate up a ton of ammo per shot.
ARs were shit in BL1 too. It was almost never worth it to use one over an SMG.
>ARs were shit in BL1
my niggers at atlas would like to speak with you...
no they weren't. they had more damage than SMGs but had less fire rate than them.
and to follow up with what you said about rapid-fire weapons: borderlands 2 simply did not allow weapons to have a high fire rate.. i think that's what the problem was and that's one of the reasons why Assault Rifles suck so much.
Better loot more frequently
Better level scaling
No Anthony Burch
If I can't have any of those, make Gearbox go out of business. Seriously what a shitty company
I had the same thing happen to me in bl2. It was a blue smg that shot 4 bullets at the same time.
>no they weren't. they had more damage than SMGs but had less fire rate than them.
Exactly. They were just crappy thumpers for the most part.
I had some really good Vladoff MGs in 1 that shredded things pretty well, with Roland, anyway. I don't like how BL1 characters push you toward weapon types with class mods and specializations, though.. Also Combat Rifles were okay-ish, IIRC? Good damage and accuracy. At least they felt better than in 2.
Well, guess I am lucky then.
but they had accuracy and long range capability as as well. Thumpers don't have that.
>vladof weapon with dahl barrel
>suprised it has huge fire rate
Krieg does NOT need to come back. Don't get me wrong, he was kinda fun to play, but his entire character was obnoxious as fuck. And as an NPC he'd be even worse.
they could easily hit things more than short-medium range. SMGs were for those who got all up in kids faces see: lilith
ARs arent useless. the exact opposite. again, my niggers at atlas wants to chat.
see: Ajax's spear. the best fucking weapon in the game.
Playing through TPS right now, but it's going pretty slowly. Personally I think 1 is best, the only thing that was improved in 2 was the shooting, and TPS is basically 2 with a gimmick.
I finished Borderlands TPS recently with Athena.
It was a bit short.
I want to see Gaige back.
you can't even have a fire rate that high on a pistol in borderlands 2 much less any weapon for that matter. only that vladof shredifier with the increased fire rate mod could top that.
Why is this allowed?
>you can't
So you haven't played the game?
fuck TPS, it's so fucking sloooooow
whoever thought this gravity thing was a cool idea should be shot at birth by a time traveler
Gaige is very cute. A rarity among western games.
I'm still surprised Supreme Cucklord okayed her.
>Also Krieg needs to come back.
Krieg was wild fun at first but after playing one or two playthroughs as him, he really felt limited. That might just be me, though. I felt like even bothering with the Hellfire tree was a waste of time on True Vault Hunter Mode/Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode.
It's pointless to discuss SMG vs. AR in 1 when you have a character who can boost damage of SMGs greatly and a character who does the same for ARs (though Lilith by herself is obviously stronger than Roland).
>the only thing that was improved in 2 was the shooting
Environment variety, enemy variety? Class trees that aren't all about passive percentile increases?
yes i have you fucking idiot
I would like to not see another borderlands game.
good point i guess, i did only play roland in 1. i just cant stand the others skills. give me my infinite ammo/health/death dispenser with the best ability known to man. cauterize.
Lasers are a great addition though.
Stacking maelstrom as Athena with elemental laser beam.
TPS has far better damage/level scaling than 2 does later on so going full autism and playing to the level cap isn't nearly as punishing.
Apparently not if you claim you can't have that high fire rate on a pistol.
One thing I really miss from BL1 was the viability of non shooting focused builds.
Two characters had viable melee builds and lilith and Mordecai fucked shit up with their active alone.
Does anyone remember that build for the siren where you burned everyone alive by just phasewalking?
Honestly I liked Roland primarily because of Metal Storm. Other on-kill abilities were neat too, but I like fire rate, I like having more of that too. He was also the AR dude and I wanted to use that (but ended up using revolvers a lot because holy shit were they broken as fuck). Also he had some good shotgun mods.
I don't really pay attention to the environment, and the enemy variety isn't really all that great seeing as how they die as easily and in the same way as everything else. I also liked the class trees in BL1.
Melee weapons would be a nice addition to BL3.
Atleast Zer0 has viable melee build that works even on OP8.
My biggest gripe with those builds was with Axton, he has dedicated talents for his turret and Gaige for her Robot but they both were made from paper on higher levels, not to mention they were doing fuck all damage to regular enemies past lvl 50.
i would argue that roland is by far the best character to co-op with. its so much fun going a support build and sniping your roid raging pal brick while he throws exploding punches at everything.
his damage focused build was super reliable as well though.
fuck i need to replay BL1 again. why couldnt the roland wannabe in 2 be as good as roland?
>gaige robot
>paper
It does all the work for you user, shit is OP.
Yes, below level 50 it does, after that he does fuck all even with fully specced tree.
Only thing he's worth using for is to replenish your shield.
you fucking can't you dumbass
I tried replaying BL1 lately, I'm glad they improved the UI in the later games
Ofcourse you can, posting random weapons doesn't make your point any more valid tho.
i have disproved your arguments again and again but you have not once tried to defend yourself
>General
Also, fuck off Gearbox, go back to trying to rescue the train wreck known as Battleborn.
But you haven't destroyed anything, especially with the first webm posting a burst fire weapon.
Which all dahl weapons are capable of achieving, did you parents fed you bricks from a slingshot you're this retarded or you're merely pretending?
I'm gonna replay the game pretty soon, played as Maya for one playthrough before. I wanted to play as Axton, as he seems the jack of all trades, but what about the other classes? I'm debating around Gaige, Zer0 and Axton.
Anything I shouldn't do during my first playthrough? When should I start the DLC? (I only bought the Tiny Tina dlc and have 4 other Headhunter packs.
BL1 > BL2
>buying games
>buying dlc
>1st one had you addicted to checking up on those jukebox vendors for those sweet, sweet Atlas Pearl Revolvers
>2 had you addicted to farming that one evolving bug somewhere
>then everyone just modded their save files for the most ridiculous shit
it was actually fun while it lasted
zzz, so many people saying bl 1 > bl2
i played bl 2 first and it was great, played it over and over again with lots of people
borderlands 1 was unplayable, i didnt even play for 10 hours because it was trash
bl2 improved in pretty much every single way
The ONLY thing i prefer s the health scaling
lvl 60+ gets ridiculous in bl2
i always finish the main story before i touch any of the DLCs.
i played mostly gaige and did my first maya playthrough a couple months ago. axton is fun if you dont plan on going too far into the extra playthroughs. i havent touched zero because he doesnt interest me.
gaige is OP though. love her so much.
>When should I start the DLC
Around level 20.
Playing with Gaige is fun, I liked Zer0 too.
I just keep dying as Axton, I can't play with him for shit.
Never bothered with Krieg
I hope this is bait
Go with Zero, he requires more thinking to play then rest of the classes since he's a complete glass cannon.
Either go Sniper rifles, pistolero build works on him too or melee.
If you'll go melee, do Rackaholics quest asap and before turning the quest to Moxxi, save and quit.
Then set your save file to READ ONLY, so you can exit the game to main menu without saving, so you can easily get Bladed Slag ruby as a dedicated melee weapon that'll heal you.
Then unmark your save file from read only while in game and save.
I loved this series to death, and i never understood all the hate and memes coming from Sup Forums.
Sure, Anthony Burch needs to burn, and i didn't like how they gave everyone a special snowflake sexual orientation like they were some kind of fucking badges or something, but on a gameplay-level i still loved the games and i will surely pick BL3 if Gearbox doesn't fill for bankruptcy after the Battleborn fiasco.
Gaige it is then lads. Should I play Tiny Tina on the second playthrough (if I manage not to get bored by then) or the first? Is the stack-building Gaige build the most viable?
i do EVERYTHING before moving onto the next playthrough. all quests, all DLCs. but im also more than likely autistic.
theres a specific grenade mod in tiny tinas that might make running through the main game again really fun. its up to you. i also recommend getting every major DLC for BL2. headhunters if you really enjoy BL.
FOR FUCK SAKE I'M FUCKING TIRED OF YOU ANONS ARGUING ABOUT THE SHITTIEST THING !!! THIS IS INTERNET !! THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS BOARD !! YOU WONT GET ANYTHING FROM PROVING YOUR POINT GOT FUCKING FAP ALREADY INSTEAD OF FUCKING THE POST LIMIT !!! THIS IS WHY EVERY THREAD IS NOW 4 FUCKING THREADS LONG BECAUSE OF YOU FUCKING "ARGUMENTING" LIKE THE WHINEY FAGGOTS YOUR PARENT PRAYED YOU WOULDN'T BECOME
Keep going,
>okay so BL1 has all this cool shit
>okay so BL2 has less cool shit but whatever, still some unique garbage in it
>BL Pre-Sequel
who thought this was a good idea
>who thought this was a good idea
Australians.
>BL TPS
>Lets make bosses unfarmable
>Lets reduce drop rates on Ivarira to make getting legendaries even harder
>Lets make unique enemies dropping unique gear non-respawnable
>Lets rehash 70% of weapons from previous titles and slap different name and slightly different effect on them
I dunno senpai.
get rid of playing the same game 3 times to unlock the "real mode" make huge awesome maps and a story that actually changes the gameworld as you progress through the game. delve much more into the weapon corp aspects. make the story something other that kill the big bad alien/villian and start over. hire competent writers to make lilith not a huge cunt. i dont care if characters are pansexual tree fuckers just don't shove it my face or do it for the sake of doing it. make guns great again.
>release a season pass of BL2
>it doesn't include the playable characters
Defend this
CHARACTER SKILLS IN PRE SEQUEL WERE
FUCKING GARBAGE
>90 degree invuln that you can throw for NODAMAGE
>garbage aimbot that will make you miss more often than hit
>claptrap goes on Sup Forums
>fat fuck who throws a literal paper plane
Don't you dare pin that shit on us.
I dont think there were enough, memes, pop culture references, shitting on gamers and strawmanning, or social justice themes in the fist 2 games, so more of that please
But you can play as Jack.
no burst. fully auto.