How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

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It doesn't need saving.
>make one not so good title
>wow the series is dead

Remake of Tales of Phantasia on PC with mod support and not 60EUR price tag.

Make another Tales with 2D combat like Destiny Director's Cut

By porting Vesperia, Abyss and Xillia to PC. Also change the combat back to side scrolling like Symph, Vesp and Abyss. Zestiria would have been fine with its combat, but the forced fusion, Seraphim and needlessly complex equipment system ruined it. Hope it gets cut from Berseria and replaced with a more traditional Tales combat system.

Make an anime adaption of one of the worst games in the series.

Save it? Even the worst Tales game is a more than decent game. This series is the GOAT JRPG franchise.

But how the fuck do we save Final Fantasy?

They have.

Tales of /ss/ is already going to save it

Stop it with ports and remakes, we want fresh new Tales of games, and the new ones are meh

do what Star Ocean did

Stop rehashing the same general story, and get in a 3rd and 4th character designer/art director.

Fail catastrophically on every front?

Reprint Vesperia PS3 and Destiny DC.
Make Xillia 2 2.0 and Destiny DC 2.0 for handhelds.

Wasn't that game pretty bad and also really short?

actually give a shit and focus on making good dungeons.

get out

Fire Baba, that is literally the only solution

You guys are the reason why jews are rich

He's not wrong

needs to go back to multiple love interests

>tfw that delicious /ss/ Lloyd and Raine in Symphonia

Fanservice alone won't carry a really fucking short and shitty rpg and you would know it if you weren't a retarded console warrior

>I trust ign to tell me what game is good or not

>People asking for ports and remakes of games everyone has already played
When will this meme end?

what is neptunia then?

I don't want a remake, I'm just fucking tired of 3D combat, I miss 2D combat
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What the fuck do I care about IGN you jackass, I played all other SO games, I know how this franchise usually goes, have YOU played any other games outside of this one? If your only argument in its favor is to ignore some retarded reviewer there is no saving the fucking game

I've only played Symphonia years ago. I don't own any consoles now so I'd love ports of the games I missed out on.

A game that everyone agrees is shitty and that reuses as much assets as possible to save their shoe string budget? Or are you going to try and say that its a incredible game now?

>one

bitch, tales hasn't been good since tales of vesperia, that's 4 shitty game

This.

REBIRTH WHEN?

...

Change the outdated battle system.

no I'm saying that, for what it's worth, Neptunia games aren't doing half bad sales wise, and the games are just fanservice and weebshit

Make the games like Symphonia.

Abyss battle system
No more fujo bait

Done

compared to SO4 it's a massive improvement

Increase the homo

Xillia was fun though

They already saved it by starting to release games on PC, even Zestiria sold incredibly well. Pushing Baba out helps a lot too.

With SO being slow to catch on and FF15 having a delayed PC port they pretty much have the real JRPG market on PC to themselves, even if their games are average at best it's still going to feed a starving fanbase. If they started porting more of their older titles it would pretty much be free money.

Make sequels to Abyss and Vesperia. Also a Tales of Symphonia 2 that isn't total garbage.

Of course, there is no way for any other gamein the franchise to be as bad and as retarded as 4 was, that is like saying a downs kid is more intelligent than a baby who has anencephaly
, big fucking achievement

Release the games that didn't make it to NA. Please.

Why all the games after Vesperia look like shit? Was cell-shading to expensive or what?

Dawn of the New World was fine.

Use either Graces, Xillia 2 or Hearts R as basis for the combat system.

Add waifus.

Instant success. I'll buy every DLC too!

Story fags can go to hell

This. I want to play Tales of Destiny remake!

>one
>Tales of Symphonia was literally the last good one
>13 years ago

the real problem with the games is Hideo Baba that potato faced looking berger.

How is Tales of Xillia? I'm considering getting the double pack with the sequel and I see in this thread that apparently Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperia are the only good ones.

>Hideo Baba
Is everyone named Hideo a fucking hack?

Please elaborate further on your awful opinion. DotNW was trash.

Xillia is okay. Not bad but not extremely good either.

But Xillia 2 is amazing so I'd say go for it.

I actually ended up liking ToS2. Protagonists are trash for 80% of the game, and monster system is awkward, but not TOTALLY awful.

Gameplay is super fun though. Probably the best version of pre-Graces Tales gameplay.

I would like a phantasia remake but I dont think thats ever happening.

Free movement combat > Sidescrolling combat

You know this is true.

>he liked Dawn of the New World
what the fuck is wrong with you?

Graces/Zestiria style movement > free run > pure linear motion system

With ninjas

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Which Tales had the best combat system?

Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?

>Which Tales had the best combat system?
Graces/Xillia 2

>Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?
None

Abyss for combat, Vesperia for everything else.

that would be true if a competent developer made Tales games but since that isn't the case, sidescrolling combat is superior in every way. Easier attack combinations and your attacks wont whiff cause the enemy floated an inch to the left or right.

system. graces. Lacked everything else
Characters. Abyss.
Presentation. Veperia
Story. I dunno symphonia.

You don't. All good things must come to an end.

Hi guys! Heard you want me back!

I'm one of those losers that likes games based on whether I have fun playing them, and not just on objective criticism.

I know, fuck me, right?

Tales of Symphonia

Tales of Symphonia

But Abyss has objectively the worst cast in the series mang

Series is fine by me.

how did you have fun playing Dawn of the New World? Do you generally play many videogames? Did you play the first ToS?

Dawn of the New World is a trial in frustration and fucking terrible game design and story presentation while simultaneously shitting on the greatness of the original Tales of Symphonia.

Vesperia is literally Symphonia 3.0.

ToS has a decent combat system just as a baseline. But pretty much every game after it expanded on and improved the system in a positive way.

I like ToS and understand why it has a place in so many people's hearts, but Abyss/Vesperia/DotNW are straight up improved systems.

Then when you get to Graces and beyond is when the system changes enough to maybe not like it as much.

Who ever thought Armatization was a good idea? This game could have been fun otherwise. Plus fuck that equipment system.

This desu senpai

>Bring back Yoshito Higuchi (director of Team Symphonia games)
>new engine similar to Vesperia with fixed camera angles for the next gen game
>build on Xillia 2's combat but take away main character-centric transformations, use the Hearts R counter mechanic
>fire Sakuraba, Go Shiina becomes main series composer
>if possible bring back Takumi Miyajima to write the scripts
>never let Baba work on anything again

>DOTNW
>IMPROVED COMBAT
you are objectively lying. you are trolling.

you are fucking trolling.

No man. That's Graces. Graces had the run of the mill by the books story are character tropes that the games combat system by no means deserved.

Abyss was nothing but character development.
Each character got more than enough screen time and importance to the story. Even if you didn't like the character they were still the most fleshed out and deep ones in the series.

Fusing wasn't that bad. The weapon/skill system however was completely awful. So bad I even just set everything on easy just so I didn't have to deal with it. And I never set games on easy.

Graces has some the best combat in the series.

ufotable is doing it right now.

Just a matter of time

no

I'll take that. Abyss did have a lot of character moments but I just couldn't enjoy the characters so it made itself kind of redundant.

>shit CGI
>barely any 2D animation
>shit direction
>corny suffering plot that makes Xillia 2 look tame
No

Should I play Tales of Xillia?

Oh god, are you the faggot on Sup Forums who complains about ufotable's CGI effects despite them looking fantastic, just because
>muh true sakuga

Yes I played ToS. And other than a couple of the voice actor changes inbetween games, all the cameo appearances were enjoyable. Tenebrae is a bro and carries a lot of the admittedly awful cutscenes.

The gameplay was solid. Whether or not you like Emil as a whiny little bitch, he controls in battle really well. Because of the monster system, a large portion of the game feels like it's Emil and backup healer versus the world. Which is a different way to play. However monster system gets really strong late in the game when you can start optimizing things.

Cool interactions in game too. I still vividly remember Richter countering your Hi Ougi in the second fight against him. A huge WTF moment that was cool to experience.

>shitting on the greatness of the original Tales of Symphonia.

ToS had a lot of flaws too. Doesn't mean that either game couldn't be fun.

1st game is literally worthless unless you want to experience a half baked ENVIRONMENT story. Play Xillia 2

>looking fantastic

>showing a round one of the area with a over leveled character.
Even the best games in the series would looks fucking awful that way.
Cheria does the least fucking damage so the fact she is one shoting everything in that instance means she is well over fucking leveled.

Cool proving fucking nothing.

>How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

More testosterone
Less fagotry.

I fell for the "tales of" are good games meme and the only ones I liked were Xillia 1&2. Abyss, Zesteria and graces were full on weeboo fagotry.

Yes? Nice dusty desert.

>More testosterone
>Less fagotry.
I agree more manly men!

I don't get it. What makes Xillia 1 & 2 less "anime" than the others? 1 is your typical "SAVE DUH PLANET" JRPG story and 2 is your typical melodramatic fantasy anime.

-Make the graphics look good rather than boring brown and gray like xillia and zestiria
-Have gameplay that actually rewards players for being good rather than let it be super simplified like zestiria
-fix the god damn retarded ai for all games or have better strategy menus so that I can actually control the retarded ai
-have a lot of content like costumes, skits, sidequests, events, optional bosses, extra dungeons, colisium matches, etc
-don't try to rush the products just to meet deadlines and have shitty, unpolished games

i dunno whats wrong with you but DotNW is a much less enjoyable game than the original ToS by all accounts. The animations are worse, the story is worse, the combat is buttawful and terrible, the dungeons are poorly designed with some having up to 1 hour of progress between save points and random retarded hidden super enemies that will likely OHKO you.

like there are far more people who dislike DotNW than enjoy it so it becomes of sory of objective thing that it was a bad game. I really don't understand where you'd have to come from to enjoy it so I cannot even begin to communicate with you properly.

what other tales games do you auto-attack by holding a button?

Port Vesperia, remake Rebirth, Phantasia, and Destiny for PC.
Get rid of the complex skill/stat level charts diagrams (lillium orbs were annoying to manage).
The battle system tries way too hard to be unique or "innovative."
Stop with the ridiculous titles, everything past symphonia is just silly words designed to fill up the alphabet (Graces was okay).
Female characters need better designs, giving them a mini skirt and straps for clothes is lazy and unappealing.

Why is Velvet in the Tales of Zestiria anime?

Eternia and Legendia need remakes way more than those three.