...so does Sup Forums have any input on this?

...so does Sup Forums have any input on this?

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SO I FOUND THIS COOL SITE CALLED CSGO LOTTO

You would think Tom makes enough money already.

yes. It's shitty and corrupt. not to mention illegal, that said I find It really weird that the threads get deleted worryingly quickly especially when pony porn threads stay up for days.

They saw a shady business opportunity, took it.
It bit them in the ass.

They have a shit reputation now.
That's literally all this is.

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Counter-Strike died with the release of skins

this desu

the FPSbanana days were much better

I never thought Syndicate was a piece of shit, but he can burn if he thought he could realistically get away with this.

I hope h3h3 loses his case and is forced to quit YouTube. I hate him so much. He's the personification of what's wrong with the Internet. He acts like a voice of morality and that he has to protect the kiddies. What an obnoxious cunt. His whole channel was found on making fun of other people's content and now he's going after Youtubers that do the same. He's worse than Pewdiepie or any other popular youtuber.

The same is true about TF2. Dota is the only Valve game that got away with cosmetic shit because they did it very early on, and the gambling part of it isn't as crazy as CSGO.

Honestly, this is the first I'm hearing of something like this, kinda why I wanted to know what Sup Forums's thoughts were on this since I barely play CSGO.

Disgusting shit. New low. I have never visited any betting site but i think that it is interesting in itself that they do no age control. I have never visited any serious betting/gambling site either but i can only assume that they do some kind of age control.

Scam Artists will be scam artist but i think that it is more interesting that Valve and these gamling sites have built up a gambling system which is completely fine with allowing kids in.

For people unaware of the whole thing.
youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0

people who care this much about CS:GO deserve to have their money stolen

Ive gotta agree with this, he didn't necessarily make fun of anyone straight up but just did it in a provokative way but he actually had balls but now he's trying to act like he's the Jesus of youtube or some shit because he has the ability to call this out on Youtube, it'll be a hot topic for a week or so but then people will drop it.

That could possibly apply to all of gaming tho since we're way past the innocent days of pixel men jumping on pixel turtles.

I hate youtuber fags reacting to gambling/scary/ games/pointless so I'm happy these people are getting fucked

twitch isn't much better. JoshOG shills a gambling site he has equity in.

I don't understand. Someone please explain.

Its not a real gambling site because it doesn't involve real money

>Its not a real gambling site because it doesn't involve real money

IKSDEEEEE

Also probably did something illegal in the process.

>2016
>not selling your casino chips on opskins.com

>>>reddit

>a thousand threads of this bullshit

Sage Sage Sage Sage Sage

This.

popular guy makes gambling website

makes videos of him winning big on said website without disclosing he owns it

makes tons of dosh from kids who lose their money on said website

CSGO has skins that are found randomly by opening crates found in game.

These skins have varying rarity from common to super rare. The value of rare items is obviously higher than less common items.

In steam you can trade skins on an open market for steam wallet bucks, note that this is NOT real currency. Certain websites also get in on this by allowing you to gamble your skins and shit for even more rare and valuable skins.

Note NONE of this involves real money at all.

its not gambling by definition of law if it doesn't involve real money

there's a difference between being a shitty person who harasses others and just someone who takes the piss. people have been making fun of movies for decades, this is the same shit, youtube videos are just short form low effort movies and making fun of them is inevitable and normal.

>Note NONE of this involves real money at all.

Or you can buy the ACC or sell the skins online on any fucking site for selling shit.

And valve is completly ok with it

His entire video is extremely erroneous

>its a 2.3b dollar industry
No its not, they translate what all the skins would be worth if you converted it to real money but since you can NEVER (legally) turn it into real money, no one is making any money off this gambling at all ever

>cancerous plebs who worship eceleb regurgitating what was already stated in an article
>cancerous plebs who sit here now just shilling the eceleb
>cancerous plebs who cant just fucking read the article for themselves and need a fucking jew mouthpiece whose fucking facial expressions switch 50 times attempting to say each word of the article

Have you guys noticed these threads disappearing? For real, Sup Forums typically shits their fucking pants when Valve is related to ANYTHING. Suddenly all is quiet? I've seen the odd thread pop up, but it never stays up. Stay on high alert niggers, and keep making threads

As I said you can buy skins on third party sites that do not use the Steam wallet such as opskins. So yes, there is "real money" involved, and Steam wallet money also always originates in real money.

the point is valve is supporting these sites which create LITERAL gambling through their "fake" gambling in their game. you get actual money payouts that you can use anywhere on these sites but because it's based on valves fake skins that only give you items you can sell for steam money, they are getting away with something that should be illegal, these are the pachinko machines of the west.

>Or you can buy the ACC or sell the skins online on any fucking site for selling shit.
No you can't. Most of all those RMT sites are scams that steal your skins and/or your accounts.

None of this ever actually sees liquid dollars in your pocket. It only ever goes as far as putting money in your steam wallet which is not the same thing by a long shot

>pic related
Dude has cancer and STILL makes youtube gaming videos? For real, why?

t. guy who has no idea what he's talking about

Yea I dunno the last one yesterday only made like 40 replies before disappearing.

>the point is valve is supporting these sites
prove that they directly support these third party websites.

>LITERAL gambling
not real gambling because its not real money being gambled.
>you get payouts
not with real money.
>they are getting away with something that SHOULD be illegal
but its not illegal right now therefore they're doing nothing illegal at all.

Literally who?

>I've delved into RMT and I know I got real money for my CSGO skin that I went and spent at walmart for groceries

Some guys with zillions of YouTube subscribers have been doing streams/videos of themselves using a CSGO gambling site where you bet money/items in hopes of winning better items.

Turns out these guys are actually the founders of the site itself and have been pretending not to be this whole time, possibly rigging the site so they can film themselves winning big to entice people to go use it. They allow anyone of any age to use their gambling site, which is illegal, so parents and others are in the process of filing a class-action lawsuit against Valve for allowing it to happen.

The facial expressions are because of his Tourette's, why are you so upset?

>They allow anyone of any age to use their gambling site, which is illegal
Does it involve real money being gambled? If not, its not gambling by legal definition.

>some third party website is hosting "gambling"
>lets sue valve over it

>not real gambling because its not real money being gambled.

This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. They use a surrogate for cash, no different from chips or tokens in a casino. They assign dollar values to these items, they represent real money.

remember when you downloaded skins?

Can you liquidate said virtual currencies for real money?

If not there is no way to win real money and by default its not gambling.

>they represent
but they aren't real

It's pretty damn easy to cash out on wallet stuff through PayPal trades or bitcoin

>Sell AC
>profit

Wew

but none of it can really be redeemed for real money.

The fuck? Are all these defenses of this shit just one guy or what? I thought Sup Forums would be better than this.

Of course it's fucking gambling, it does involve real money. CSGO skins have inherent monetary value and can be traded for real cas (despite what Valve tries to claim in order to cover their ass). You buy them with real money and you can sell them for real money. Just because you exchange your money for Valve's funnybucks at one point in the process doesn't mean it isn't gambling. Casinos use chips in the same way, are you about to tell me going to a casino isn't gambling?

Many other MMO's have third party "gambling" websites where you use the MMO's in game virtual currency to gamble with. They are 100% legal because there is no real money being gambled and theres no way to cash out that virtual money to real money without illegally getting into RMT

Is that ACTUALLY sponsored by the website in question? Isn't RMT illegal in the Steam EULA or TOS? Does the website actually give you Bitcoin or make paypal trades?

It's almost certainly one guy

Isn't it against Steam's TOS to sell those skins or your account for real money?

>not real gambling because its not real money being gambled

you haven't ever been to a casino have you? I'll make it easy for you to understand little timothy:

Chips are not real money, and yet you turn in said chips into winnings after you are done, you also "Buy" chips at every card table.

same goes for coins.

in CSGO the chips.coins are the skins.
IT IS REAL GAMBLING.

It went into remission.

And then metastasized.

So now he's just sort of sitting around with nothing to do between chemotherapy treatments that're just killing any cancer that settles, that he'll probably have to have for years to come, hoping that that shit doesn't miss anything and he doesn't die.

So instead of being guilty of illegal gambling they are guilty of fraud?

They absolutely promote this as a way to make money.

>If not there is no way to win real money and by default its not gambling.

And his is not true anyway. The law does not stipulate actual cash needs to be involved, only something of value.

>its real money if its in my steam wallet even though I never actually get real money

>Of course it's fucking gambling, it does involve real money.
You can NEVER liquidate your skins for real money on the steam market
> Just because you exchange your money for Valve's funnybucks at one point in the process doesn't mean it isn't gambling.
Actually that ISN'T real gambling according to the law. If you NEVER actually get real money out of it, its NOT gambling at all. Steam wallet funds are NOT real money.

>Casino chips
are exchanged for real money, steam NEVER exchanges your wallet for real money

how do skin gambling sites make money?
i have no idea how csgo skin gambling works

>muh reddit justice

literally no one fucking cares except redditors. if theres something illegal, then report it or sue.

No. But they take zero responsibility for you getting fucked for it, and if you do, they're completely hands-off and won't do shit to help.

>you haven't ever been to a casino have you?
ITS NOT ANYTHING LIKE A CASINO

Steam doesn't give you ANY means to liquidate your money, you only ever get steam wallet funds which is NOT real money at all. Steam doesn't give you means to acquire real currency.

Casino chips can be exchanged for REAL cash.

it's pretty much just one guy trying to defend it, and by one guy it's probably Tmart going FULL ON DAMAGE CONTROL.

They keep a small number of the skins themselves, make ad revenue and sell premium packages.

Fuck contrarians and apologists.

It's a fucking disgusting practice that is just straight up gambling. All this microtransactions and chest bullshit has gone far enough, fucking kids who don't understand gets exploited.

There needs to be an intervention to stop this draconian bullshit.

YouTubers are generally scum

Yeah, you can tell by the style of the posts that it's all one person. I don't know why anyone would defend this so vehemently.

Does this man look dishonest to you?

this is the loophole

technically gambling is any action where you have a chance to win and a chance to lose.

and SKINS CAN BE EXCHANGED FOR ACTUAL MONEY. Valve doesn't try to stop 3rd party sites. your an idiot little Tomothy. stop trying to suck Tmarts limp nanometer cock. it's gambling plain and simple.

to deny other wise just shows your actually retarded, and probally autistic.

Trade some CSGO keys in jail for snack cakes.

>It's a fucking disgusting practice that is just straight up gambling.
Its not gambling because it doesn't involve real money you can acquire.

You can call it gambling all you want, you have to prove that real money is being gambled that can be readily cashed out.

he looks like a lizard

I'll put this with Gamergate and Nintendo censoring for video game scandals I could never give a shit about.

>and SKINS CAN BE EXCHANGED FOR ACTUAL MONEY.
What websites actually do this that doesn't violate Valve's TOS involving RMT?

>no one is making any money off this gambling at all ever
Except the people who own the websites, and the people who actually do illegally sell skins for real money.

beats me, it's pretty fucking clear Tmart, and syndicate have fucked up on a massive level. no way to turn this around for them.

>If you NEVER actually get real money out of it, its NOT gambling at all.

What the law actually says is "something of value".

Basically, if you risk "something of value" to gain "something of value" in a game of pure chance, i.e. no skill involved whatsoever, it's gambling according to the law. There are some other caveats to exclude stuff like charity raffles, Native Americans, etc., nothing that would exclude this shit.

Oh so how is it valve's fault that some website and their owners do illegal things? that are already illegal? like RMT?

because Valve doesn't care, at the end of the day Valve still makes money off of them. casinos in las vegas for instance allow you to trade chips from different casinos in. it's the same process for Valve.

I laugh at anyone who thinks Valve is blameless in all of this. They're the KINGS of microtransactions and giving massive monetary value to essentially worthless bits of data. They started all this shit, and when they saw it taking off and getting out of control in TF2, they heaped more coal on the fire and spread it to CSGO. None of this would've happened if Valve didn't control this item market stuff when they had the chance.

>back then
WHAT'S GOING ON GUYS
TMAR HERE
>now
what's going on guys... tmar here...

His intros and cod videos were always cancer, nice to hear he had died some inside

And do you think valve actually cares enough to hunt you down if you take part in RMT? I've soled around 300 dollars worth of TF2 skins in the past. Valve just doesn't condone it, they don't give 2 fucks what you do with your pixels as long as you aren't plastering your account everywhere advertising it.

Why the fuck aren't I making a csgo skin "gambling" site right now? Easy money for no effort. What's some good names? CS:GO Jackpot? CS:GO Lucky? CS:GOod Money?

as someone who doesn't even have a steam account all this skin trading nonsense is so alien to me, I feel like a grandpa trying to understand how a laptop works

>What the law actually says is "something of value".
And value is only measured in real currency, which none of this has any real value because its not real money and can't be converted readily as such.

youtube.com/watch?v=kC1t...utu.be&t=6m48s

Bruh....

logged in as a csgo lotto bot ...

this is valves argument and the argument of anyone that uses it to transfer it into paypal funds at the high end. This can be from turning steam cash into steam games and those steam games are resold on game sale websites in foreign markets, since there is a lot of resistance to valves pricing schemes in foreign states and countries, they tend to buy from shady and seedy resellers since it is cheaper.

>I did something outside the realm of valve that valve can't trace
>therefore valve doesn't give a shit

You fucked up your url

How long have you even been paying attention to this? Thousands of real dollars easily get traded for skins everyday. Whether its for TF2, CSGO, or Dota2. You're vastly underestimating the outside market.

youtube.com/watch?v=kC1tH7f441c&feature=youtu.be&t=6m48s

It's honestly better if you just stay that way. It's a shitty state of affairs that's ruined every game that's gotten involved in it and taken advantage of thousands of people who are susceptible to gambling-like temptations. Just walk away and continue to enjoy other games.

>Thousands of real dollars easily get traded for skins everyday.
Thousands of "real dollars" easily traded IN skins every day

ftfy

It's a shill protecting his casino.
Valve should also look into the possibility of there being a money laundering game, to minimize risks with third party sites.

Realm of value, what the fuck? Do you think valve has alerts set up whenever X amount of money in skins gets traded?

Does people actually fall for this tribal shit?

I assume that international laws about gambling are complex stuff and i have no idea what is legal or not. But this push of having gambling practices together with video games with no age control sucks really bad.

I'm not the same person. Never said it had anything to do with Valve, just stating facts.

>value is only measured in real currency
items are converted into value of measured currency you baka. it is how we determine the value of used cars, and other objects. Just because it is lines of code doesn't mean it can't have value.

It's fucking hilarious.

CSGO drones are pathetic 14 year old children that unironically play the lowest skill ceiling shooter on the market.

They deserve to get ripped off by the ecelebs that they worship.

>people who disagree with me are shills
>ITS ILLEGAL GAMBLING
>umm no its not, you have to prove...
>SHILL!

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