Opinion on the whole gambling situation going on at Valve? Personally I think it's disgusting

opinion on the whole gambling situation going on at Valve? Personally I think it's disgusting

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Someone should sue valve. They've been doing shady stuff for too long

Only retards and kids "gamble" on it. Don't really care.

No "SJWs" are involved so Sup Forums doesn't care, despite it being actual corruption in the industry, and even illegal on top of that.

you literally only care because le coughing jew man told you to care about it.
fucking neck yourself.

If other people want to be retarded with their money it's not my problem

very obviously, this is nothing to do with valve and entirely to do with the other, unafilliated websites involved, just in case anybody takes OP's awful shitpost at face value.

Exactly. It's like blaming microsoft because someone uses windows to hack.

it was set up like a slot machine from the start

at least this might force valve to release something to get the attention away from it

sometimes a jew isn't wrong

>tfw use these shitty gambling sites
>tfw inventory worth a few thousand
Fuck what anybody says I can cash this shit out on a 3rd party site and buy a used car with my inventory

If enough people care it could fuck them out of microtransactions and then they would have to make a game

Maybe now we'll get actual content updates that aren't Spin To Win crates, asinine operations and a revolver that was bullshit for a day (and now so useless you get votekicked just for buying it.)

I think fan duel was a much more fucked up situation considering how many celebrities were endorsing it and how popular it got through adds. Fan duel was straight up illegal Gambling, money for money with known higher ups even participating And making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not some 12 year with 12 cents trying to get a slightly less stupid looking skin. Or some immoral Chad bros on YouTube. I thought Ethan's video was hilarious tho basically just fucked those guys' hardwork completely but fuck those Chad bros.

you're right. but this particular faggot isn't. he's a pandering piece of shit who'd sell his own wife to get another few hundred thousand subscribers. he already turned his back on the people who got him to where he is today.

Only especially shitty game design that is more concerned with micro-transactions than fun can enable this sort of crap.

I used to worry about the Microsoft Store locking Steam out and Microsoft having a monopoly but after seeing what Valve likes to do when they have control of the market I'm not sure Microsoft taking over would be any worse. It might even be better. Fuck Valve.

What's going on? I seem to be out of the loop.

If you can't consistently see through Ethan's constant bullshit and unfair framing you're probably at least 12 years old. But if you actually care about him bullshitting a little bit to make a funny video you need to chill on how serious you view YouTube

G2A still gets endorsement even if they knowingly sell stolen shit

How do people even manage to get game codes stolen? I mean, you buy the game, get the code, use the code and you're done.

>Stupid people gambling using CS:GO items worth thousnads.

>Youtubers make a gambling site and scam people into betting said CS:GO items

>People whining "THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN" and want to blame valve on top of the actual dumbfucks making those gambling sites.

Valve is moneygrubbing, but they don't need to mess with gambling and this shit, they already set up a 7 to 15 days time for the steam market transactions to go throigh and parents shouldn't let their kids use their credit cards and play CS:GO anyways.

Youtube clowns marketed a gambling website to their 20 million or so combined subscribers pretending to make mad cash on the website they shilled.
Only they never told anyone that they are the founders and owners of the business that runs the gambling website and rigged all their videos.

Somehow this is Valve's fault because they let you use Steam's API to create a login for your website.

This shit's been building for like a week now. Syndicate and Tmartin were constantly coming up after people found out they owned CSGO Lotto.
Ethan was just a big YouTuber who shined light on it, since Scarce believed everything they said.

the thing is tho he only started doing that bullshit when he went to new york and started leeching off of jontron and filthy frank's cancerous reddit userbases. he's flat out not funny anymore. he just has to take a sound byte and repeat it over and over and over until his subreddit makes it into a meme. before he moved to new york and made his subreddit he actually made creative and clever content.now it's just
>ANOTHER ONE
>I WON'T LIE, THIS IS ME WHEN _________ (cant believe hes STILL harping on this one)
>SLAMMIN
>IM ETHAN BRADBERRY!

It's just inane garbage repeated ad nauseam so his reddit army spreads it for him.

>Someone brings attention to a fucked up issue that needs to be fixed
>People shit on it

I don't get it.
You don't have to like the person but what is wrong with agreeing with their opinion if they are right?

I see. Valve is shit these days, it's true, but if they don't have anything to really do with it, I couldn't exactly blame them.

Nobody is denying that the youtubers scamming people isn't scummy.

We are arguing that Valve isn't the one in fault here and people that fall for this kind of stuff should know better anyways. Same thing with people that get caught up in pyramid schemes and "X steps to success" scams.

The guys who owned the website have like 15,000,000 combined subscribers
I think some of them post here

Sup Forums is made up of children and people with childish mentalities. They think agreeing with anyone someone they don't like is admitting that they're best buds or something.

They dn't even need to. Why would they bother messing with gambling if theya re alreayd making tons of money with their own sotre and in-game microtransactions.

Hell, if you make more than 100 bucks in the steam market, you ahev to give your personal in fo to steam, for taxation purposes. So underage kids would have to commit indetity fraud to actually get and/or spend enough money to get problems.

Or, you know, this: Maybe don't be a condescending cocksucking faggot for a change, you piece of shit.

Yeah I agree the memes are getting a little fucking annoying and sometimes I wish Hila would stfu. But they're like 30 years old dude they're not exactly young dudes just trying to make funny videos by copying tim and Eric. What they think is funny might not be what you think is funny anymore they have like 30 year old cheesy parent that just discovered the Internet humor now. I still think their new videos are funny but Ethan pretty much has the same mindset now as my step dad who shows me 9gag memes constitently. It's not malicious they're just a cheesy 30 year old couple and that's what makes them laugh

All they do is provide an API, that anyone can use, along with developer help to those that request it.

Thing is, there is no identifier when someone requests developer support from Valve when it comes to API issues. One of the arguments is that Valve willingly gave help to these gambling sites, when in reality they simply assisted someone that asked for help on the API forums available to developers.

Normies love to go on and on about that VideoGameAttorney guy, and his heart is in the right place, but this is a suit he's pretty much fucked up taking on because there's no case again Valve. They don't actively support the websites and have done a lot stop much of the RMT going on. The only little carrot is the API issue, and that's easily defended as it's open source and Valve does not require personal information from those that use it. (Signing in through the API also has a huge wall of text that explains they're not responsible and that you should never trust websites offering services in exchange for money.)

Now, if they want to go the angle that RNG loot boxes are a scam and gambling in themselves, then I'm all for setting that straight and ultimately killing that cancer off. But Valve is far from the first and only company to use those. Looking at you, Korean Publishers.

>people that fall for this kind of stuff should know better anyways. Same thing with people that get caught up in pyramid schemes and "X steps to success" scams.

This is not fair.

This sort of stuff exploits the way the human brain works. You yourself aren't immune to same form of exploitation, you just didn't happen to fall for it this particular time.

It's why gambling is heavily regulated and we have laws against things like pyramid schemes same as we do highly addictive drugs, humans are just too vulnerable to them because of the way we are wired.

>eastern european/asian person buys stolen credit card data for ten cents to a dollar per card
>uses it to buy game codes from the dev or other marketplaces
>resells the codes on G2A to get the codes to cash
>developer gets a chargeback, sees which keys correspond to the transactions where the credit card holder claimed fraud
>reports these keys to steam
>steam revokes the game keys

This. Valve knows how to cover their ass and they don't care about the gambling sites. It took the EU courts several years to make them even start giving refunds, these API issues isn't nearly enough to make a serious case.

Or, you know, use the internet, do some research, etc.

It's like defending rapists because they have the natural instinct to rape. Don't do it, simple as that.

I used to bet on DOTA2 liunge years ago, and then I stopped, because it got boring and to get the big stuff, I'd have to spend money to get big items to bet.

And that's fucking stupid. There you go, self-control, that's hard to muster, right? To NOT spend money.

>EU gets its refunds
>UK smashes it into tiny pieces
Gaben has spoken.

This. And it hurts the customers that live in said areas and buy the keys for personal use, because that discourages developers to lower the price for poorer markets.

People are just mad because Valve came up with selling skins at large first.
Personally I believe they're amazing to basically just make up their own economy of getting money from literally every market trade. They're gaining money by doing nothing at this point. Milions of money.

I think the point of and completely flew over your head. Thanks for making my point, kid.

>they have like 30 year old cheesy parent that just discovered the Internet humor now.
They literally have reddit humor, you just described reddit humor. They aren't oblivious to the internet, ethan used to post on Sup Forums for gods sake. They used to be funny, but now they sold out and pander to the lowest common denominator. It's not malicious but it's insulting. They didn't magically lose a step and revert into old farts when they magically started getting bigger. They made the decision to go for the lazy, easy, repeatable quips that make great for reddit memes.

It's even better when you realize the skin economy is THE best solution to the microtransaction debacle.
Devs get funding for future updates, people can spend large sums of cash and have something to show for it, and best of all it doesn't affect the balance of the game.
Sup Forums will still bitch though because they're fucking communists and think a company making money is the greatest sin on earth.

Yup, their cards system is genius. You give cards, those people sell the cards, those cards can be used to make badges and cosmetic items and then youc an turn said items into gems to craft more cards.

That's a closed economy right there, and valve gets money from each transaction along the way. They don't care about this gambling shit ebcause theya re already racking up the money through their cards and items economy.

Glad to see someone who isn't a communist scum around here.

Please, I'm all ears. They didn't make any point besides "Why are people not agreeing with them, despite them not being right?" and just making it about us disliking the people presenting the argument.

I've always thought the keys/roulette shit was dumb. as. hell. and I still don't get why anyone participates in it.

Agree. I also don't understand why in that video they're whining about 13 years olds buying into it? What kind of a parent lets their 13 years olds have access to credit cards?

The lawsuit is over Valve funding gambling sites or allowing users to link their Steam accounts to gambling sites, therefore creating an unregulated environment in which kids can gamble or be scammed.

You have to be 18 to buy CSGO in the first place. I'm not a lawyer so I don't actually know shit, but I don't think there's anything you can do about kids lying about their age.

Also, the steam market requires you to give your personal information after you reach a certain amount of money exchanged, there's now an authentication system that takes 7 to 15 days to make a transaction on the market now and the fact that you'd need a credit/debit card to even use the market, things underage children can't have anyways.

Children wouldn't even be affected by this if their parents actually kept tabs on their online expenses.

>Or, you know, use the internet, do some research, etc.

This places an unreasonable knowledge burden on people for it to be put into practice for everything.

>It's like defending rapists because they have the natural instinct to rape. Don't do it, simple as that.

You don't understand the nature of compulsion. You brain is subject to all kinds of influences, your consciousness does not operate in a vacuum.

>I used to bet on DOTA2 liunge years ago, and then I stopped, because it got boring and to get the big stuff, I'd have to spend money to get big items to bet.

Good for you. That doesn't mean you are immune, it just means at that point in time that particular form of persuasion was ineffective.

Sorry, but you are a mere human, the same as the rest of us, and are vulnerable to all kinds of exploits. There is, however, an easy and practical solution to all this, it's called the law and sensible regulation.

>There is, however, an easy and practical solution to all this, it's called the law and sensible regulation.
So communism is what you're saying?

Valve was scum from the start

What? Burden of knowledge?

The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity. It's not like you are going to die if you gamble.

I understand the nature of compulsion and I also understand using your own reasoning to stop doing that compulsive stuff. If it's a serious mental condition, you shouldn't even be flirting with the idea anyways and should be seeking medical health.

Yes, good for me that I don't cave in to any want I want, because I can exert the least bit of self-control.

You are justliek those bozos that whine that kickstarter should sue projects that tank, without actually reading on the rules of agreement and stuff.

The law is there alright, and assumes you can read and make your own decisions, numbnuts.

keys, supply drops etc are a form of gambling and only exist because of loopholes

Sup Forums doesn't really care about this since it involves big youtubers but it is a problem that needs to be addressed, not just on YoutTube but also from the publishers. Devs usually don't want these things in the game.

You aren't really that stupid, are you?

Considering you seem to think of yourself as some sort of superhuman I suppose you imagine you would prosper under anarchy.

Cool, how do you make money through crates outside third-parties sites?

You can only get steambucks through steam and you can't refund market gained steambucks into your credit card.

If you are willing to use a third-party site to get money you aren't allowed to make anyways, it's at your own risk.

>The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity.
Tell that to the EU.
For an organization that's giving free education to it's citizens they're dumb as fuck when it comes to real world shit.
"Wahhh I didn't fallow EULA mama EU comes helps me I sue Valve!"

>Self control.
>Superhuman.
Seems common sense is superhuman to you as well since you lack it you fucking moron.

>yfw valve disconnects all steam internet login/plugin services in response

What? EU has stricter laws, yes, but they have all the right to set their standards for consumer rights.

Valve isn't forced to comply with said rules unless they want to operate inside their market.

Also, refund for products is the normal in most countries, it's just one of those things the US seems to not understand as a basic right, like maternity leave.

Hey man, it's tough to not eat evertyhing I see, to not fuck every hole I find and to not kill every asshole I meet.

I'm superhuman everyday for not being a piece of shit, I demand some praise.

>maternity leave.
>"I demand equal pay!"

>valvecucks btfo
>eceleb shitters btfo
It's a win win situation.

I won't miss it but I do hope they remove the retarded time limitation on trading

Zero issue with this gambling situation. If kids are doing it its not valves fault. Parents/websites. Why would I give a fuck what people do with their time and money

>The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity

Do not make the mistake of equating ignorance with stupidity.

We are all ignorant of something. It's not possible to have all the knowledge there is and it's not a reasonable expectation that people should just go out and acquire it. I sure hope you aren't stupid enough to think "just google it" is the answer.

>I also understand using your own reasoning to stop doing that compulsive stuff

You don't understand compulsion at all.

The little angel on one shoulder and the little devil on the other is not a real thing, you only have one brain and it controls everything you do, including what you are and aren't capable of thinking.

It doesn't matter for literally every other country in the world.

Also, several countries also have paternity leaves, so there's that.

People that don't agree with such things are people that think women will get pregnant every tsingle oportunity they get just so thet get paid without working, despite that being a stupid line of tought unless they already live below the poverty line, since it would make the future costs that comes with raising a child not be worth it in the long run.

>As a business I should be willing to hire an employee that's liable to leave with pay for 5 months because of "Morals"
Companies exist for a bottom line dumbass, there's literally 0 reason to hire an employee that does have a chance to get pregnant over one that doesn't.
People don't make businesses to act like they're superheroes, they do it for money, don't like it? Don't buy from them.

Well, maybe I'm super human, cause I don't do any of that. The US seems to thing the "burden of knowledge" lies on the consumer at most parts, like when it comes to financial advices and healthcare insurance.

Maybe that other user was right and you want the government to coddle your balls so you don't shit on your pants daily.

And as I said, if that compulsion is actually that crippling, those people must look for psychiatric attention, not lawyers

Can I get paid paternity leave then?

so how long till valve cracks down on this gambling thing by making it even more annoying to trade stuff then it already is. Maybe they should make it so you have to give them your social insurance number too just to make sure

kids who copy streamers and gamble $300 knives like it's nothing and expect to win are retarded and should be put to sleep.

the streamers are playing with house money and get free rolls/knowledge of future rolls when they get low.

Gambling is for degenerates.

unless valve knew about it I could care less

Who are the youtube people who did this? Do they have a channel?

Then explain to me why every single other country in the world has this policy and aren't dying due to lack of profits.

Maternity license never killed any business by itself.

I don't mind you not hiring women, but if you do, they should be able to have some family planning without thinking on how to get another job after getting fired for being pregnant.

youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0w9YP_wZ0

youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio

Watch these two short, informative videos which will succinctly demonstrate that this has been Valve and Gabe's plan all along. Why use your hundreds of millions/billions of dollars in cash to make new and exciting games when you can just funnel cash from parent's wallets directly into your fat bank accounts?

You're all fucking deluded if you think Valve actually has any sort of vision for games, gaming, or making good games. With all their assets, all their cash, all their talent, they should be making next generation games. Instead they build the simplest possible game design centered around micro-transactions and cosmetics.

Don't take my word for it. Watch. Listen. Hear it from the horse's mouth.

Depends on the country. Most paternity licenses nowadays don't go over 1 month, so it's basically an extended paid break.

>being a GOtard
>literally out of your free will getting cucked out of Valve's Attention, Development Time and most importantly Money by Dota Two the Based
Don't worry, it's not too late to quit your casual game and join the Action Chess.

>Everyone else does it so that means it's right.
Where have I heard this before?
Also if the employee didn't start 7 months ago and isn't a complete shitter that sucks at the job I wouldn't mind giving a leave on a contract stipulation, I also wouldn't be paying her, because it's not fair to employees who are actually fucking working.
She's not losing her job, but she sure as fuck isn't being paid to sit on her ass, she ought to have saved up the money for a kid before she decided to have one.

>this particular time
or that other particular time, or that third particular time, or any other particular time businesses relied on retards giving money without guaranteed returns. It's obviously a coincidence.

...

Nobody is saying they are making new gaming experiences.

We are just saying that there's a big difference between making a money making closed economy inside their system and inciting underage gambling.

>Consumer freedom is corruption.
Yes, Valve should be able to tell me what I can and can't do with what I paid for, dipshit.

>With all their assets, all their cash, all their talent, they should be making next generation games. Instead they build the simplest possible game design centered around micro-transactions and cosmetics.

This is true for every major dev at this point.

And nobody here thinks Valve is still a great developer.

>read thread expecting a plethora of Americans talking about how badly they want to take the corporate cock and hate having consumer power
>get a thread of exactly that
Brilliant.
But of course that they've been taken to different international courts at least twice this year over consumer rights issues and might well be being taken to court in your own country is all because of those anti-corporate communist liberals isn't it :^)

>Devs get funding for future updates
>Valve
>updates

It is disgusting. Gabe should be hung.

Sup Forums is pretending they were conscious of this being an issue before h3h3 made a video last night

maybe a lawsuit will fucking get Valve's heads out of their collective asses and they'll stop leaching off shitty games and start actually making a game every 2 years or so.

I think Valve is a great developer.

>EU faggot thinks his government should shelter him.
Your little club will crumble and your country will turn into ash, peasant.

"We are making millions and millions of dollars off of this system."

"The Goal is not to put users in a position where they are gambling, but put into a position where they had random chance- and there is a fundamental difference there."

Straight from Valve's mouth.

>The US seems to thing the "burden of knowledge" lies on the consumer at most parts, like when it comes to financial advices and healthcare insurance.

No, it doesn't. At all.

The US is awash with regulations and laws. I have absolutely no idea why you would think it isn't.

You are very far from superhuman if you believe "caveat emptor" rules America...

>And as I said, if that compulsion is actually that crippling, those people must look for psychiatric attention, not lawyers

Ever heard an addict say "I'm not addicted, I could stop anytime I want to"? They actually do believe that. That is the nature of addiction, it's very hard to recognize in oneself. It only becomes apparent when you stop the behavior.

You are incredibly naive for someone who has such a high opinion of themselves.

>valve gets 2-3 dollars per key
>key used on crates
>crate items if rare get put up on market
>people buy items giving valve even more of a cut in profit
>now people gamble said items so they have a chance to get steam bucks and even more money to valve since they will obviously try to sell whatever they win or buy a ton of keys with the rewards
>people think this is ok because only stupid people do this
no it encourages more of the practice. In fact, the reason why there is a rise of iphone p2w faggotry is because everyone is ignoring the people who throw away their money at these things. Instead it should be regulated to protect consumers.

why

>Sitting her ass.

So, you never raised a kid, right? Also you didn't answer my point. And just because you don't do it and everybody does, doesn't mean YOU are the correct one for being different from the others.

Again, Maternity leave isn't bad for business, that's a worldwide fact, look for any business site and you'll see the impact on production is minimal.

IF the job you want to fill is so essential that you can't replace a worker for 6 months, then I agree, don't hire a woman that might have a kid.

BUT IF YOU DO HIRE a woman, she deserves at least one maternity leave every 5 years or so.

Crates alone are gambling, which is entirely Valve