Is Skyrim one of the best games of all time?

Is it at least in the top 5 games of last gen?

I feel as though this place hates it and never talks about it even though it has universal critical, user acclaim and is one of the most played games on steam every day.

Just because something is popular doesn't make it good, you fruitloop.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is bad you apple jack

Many would say Skyrim was one of the most groundbreaking and influential games of last gen next to Uncharted 2. What I want to know, is how does Sup Forums feel about these general perceived notions?

Well? Is there an answer?

I'm very curious.

Unfortunately in this case it does.

Yeah it's one of the top ones. RPGs don't sell that well anymore so for it to become a LASTING phenomenon like it did means it has some merit. Long-term merit. It gets a lot of shit from Morrowindfags and I understand their concerns, but it also did a lot of things right. To be honest I'll be surprised if the next TES reaches the levels this one did.

Nope. Fable 2 was better.

Not even in the top 100.

You ask two different questions. Is Skyrim one of the best games of all time? Of course not. Is it in the top 5 of last gen? Maybe, it seems like there's been a lot of bland open-world games lately, and Skyrim might be king of gruel island. I probably like Kingdoms of Amalur more for having somewhat more engaging combat, taking place in a equally uninteresting setting.

I liked it. Played over 3 thousands hours of it over the years.
good thing I'm not part of the hive mind.

Cause you modded it

What makes it unsuitable for being one of the best of all time? It along with Fallout 3, New Vegas, and the Mass Effect trilogy garnered universal acclaim from hardcore gamers everywhere.

Ye, after 2,500 hours I bought a decent PC and I did.

Nah fuck that, OP.

Here's a better question. Which was a bigger disappointment?

Skyrim, MGS5, or Dark Souls 3?

...

It's not groundbreaking nor influential, what games were influenced by it?
As for groundbreaking, pretty much everything in it has existed in previous elder scrolls games, just now more casual.

I can't help but think you're defining "hardcore gamers" in a way that makes your statement true. That is, you're almost certainly begging the question.
Mass Effect fell apart the moment you make a phone call to Sovereign and the writers fall back on "you couldn't possibly understand us." All that said was that the writers didn't have a serious plan for the Reapers, which of course ended up being true.
As for the bland open-world action-ish RPGs, they're too little butter spread over too much toast. Probably the only game in this style I really like is Risen, because its limited scope let them develop a little ecosystem that mostly made sense. Even Morrowind, which had (by far) the best main story of the modern Elder Scrolls games, would've benefited from being a less ambitious, more linear game.
Or, as I said, Kingdoms of Amalur was better than Skyrim just because its combat was better, since both of them have terminally uninteresting stories and worlds.

Not even in the top 100.

It's not even the best TES game

>RPGs don't sell that well

Which is why Skyrim did

It's probably the second best honestly. Face It, Oblivion was utter shit and even this casual badgercock was better.

Then why is it popular? What makes it or Elder Scrolls in general attractive?

And before you say mods, you can't mod on consoles.

>groundbreaking
>influential
>skyrim
>next to fucking uncharted 2
I want to die

More of an RPG than Dark Souls or Zelda.

Stop posting. Go back to wherever you came from and discuss video games there.

>since both of them have terminally uninteresting stories and worlds
explain this please.

>why is below average shit like the beatles or shakespeare is popular???? xD

Are you implying The Beatles and Shakespeare are "below average" and not at the top of their respective crafts?

Hype and easy for casuals to play.
That's how you sell a game.

The only really bad part about Oblivion is the terrible level scaling, which can easily be fixed with mods. The main story is pretty good, the guild questlines are GOAT, the art style is amazing and the combat is so much better than Skyrim's sponges. Even the cities are all exciting and have great quests. Being on the road feels like an adventure where you never know what you'll find, what with how forested Cyrodiil is.

Skyrim just feels empty. The cities suck for the most part, the guilds suck, the main questline is boring, the civil war is boring, and even the map is just less interesting.

This isn't an echo chamber. You have no control over what is posted here.

Started off with the most game breaking glitches I have seen in a single game. Hell, I think it had more glitches than every other commercial game combined. Also, too many things in the game were way too repetitive, like enemies and exploration.

The only redeeming thing about Skyrim was the mods, and mods are NOT part of the game. Probably gets more hate than it deserves on this site, but that counterbalances all the love it gets and doesn't deserve from everyone else. It is a strait up average game.

Are you implying a thing as subjective as music has a "top" other than popularity?

They are extremely overrated

Skyrim had no replayability to add to that too.
I completed the main questline and all the guilds once and just couldn't be bothered replaying it.
Every time I've tried to reinstall it to give it another chance I uninstall it mid intro dungeon.

No I agree, Oblivion has too many flaws to overlook.

People like open world exploration games, and Bethesda makes their games pretty damn open. Problem is they've been diluting the RPGness of their games in favour of cinematics and fucking building/crafting bullshit.

Mass appeal, a simple action RPG without complicated stats, menus or systems, too many words. The game doesn't need actual role playing or replayability since they won't even finish their first playthrough, it doesn't need good writing because these people watch superhero movies.
Most importantly of all they want to feel "badass and epic".

Well, for Kingdoms of Amalur, having the main character of a computer RPG "not bound by fate" is fucking retarded. The game is on rails at all times, and character talking about you following the game's plot as "defying fate" just grated. I also could not give a single shit about the Time Squared immortals. It's like Highlander's very special cousin.
Skyrim is the Cartesian product of (cave, fort, burial site) and (draugr, animals, necromancers, vampires), with the occasional line of dialogue telling you why you're going there.

I don't know much about books or plays, but The Beatles are supremely respected and hailed as the quintessential greatest because their music involves a whole host of genres and speaks so eloquently about the political and social climate of their times. They were masters that innovated and enraptured millions.

>Skyrim
>You don't get to eat out the sky's asshole

Shit game

>Fallout 3 and the Mass Effect trilogy garnered universal acclaim from hardcore gamers everywhere.
Yeah, us hardcore gamers eh?

And yet music is still a genre that is 100% subjective.

CoD is more of a RPG than Skyrim

the only reason why people still play this garbage is for fap mods

You can pretty much do everything in one playthrough. There is no way to fail, you can only die, and then you get another chance until you succeed. It's fucking stupid.

Bethesda could never implement this much choice/consequence in even a single quest.

What the fuck, it's not even a meme now, it's completely true

Gears was pretty influential and groundbreaking as well. I'm very curious to see what The Coalition will bring us with Gears 4.

>Gears was pretty influential and groundbreaking

Gears of War is far better with a more nuanced cover system and gunplay that allows for competitive play. It also broke new ground with its coop and horde modes.

If skyrum is in your top 5 video games, you need to play more than 5 video games.

>any modern AAA game
>best of all time
LMAO. These games are ALL casualized and boring as fuck. TES can only be interesting with shitloads of mods.

Only reason why I play it. Cant see how any enjoyed this game without mods unless they did not play other games much to begin with because it certainly does nothing unique and is a step backward compared to Oblivion..

It's not more nuanced. Quality has nothing to do with influence, Kill.Switch invented what Gears and everybody else ripped off wholesale. Kill.Switch broke ground and influenced Gears and everything which came afterwards.

You must be a literal child if you think Gears of War 2 invented survival modes in video games.

>LMAO. These games are ALL casualized and boring as fuck
Then why d many on Sup Forums consider Witcher 3 one of the greatest games of all time?

The highest rated games on Metacritic are Ocarina of Time, SoulCalibur I, NFL 2K1, Half Life 2, Uncharted 2, Skyrim, Super Mario Galaxy, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo 1 and 3, The Last of Us, Bioshock 1, Halo 1, Perfect Dark

All of these are triple a games. Why are they bad to you? There are indie games that are acclaimed as well.

Kill Switch isn't played competitively or let alone today at all.

People play Skyrim because Morrowind and Oblivion were better and thus built the reputation of TES games being great. And with that Bethesda marketed the shit out of Skyrim while removing just about anything complicated to make it digestible for casual gamers.

It's pretty much the most flawed game of the entire franchise franchise. The very first TES games included.

Irrelevant. Gears didn't invent competition either.

Give it another actual Elder Scrolls and I'm sure we'll be getting similar topics of Skyrim as we do with Oblivion.

>Then why d many on Sup Forums consider Witcher 3 one of the greatest games of all time?
Because they are retarded.

>Why are they bad to you?
Because they are boring and have gameplay for the mentally challenged. Could as well watch a fucking B movie instead of playing these "games".

Dark Souls 3 was a very good game, and GOTY so far

>if Sup Forums doesn't like something, it can't be that it's bad, there must be another reason!

Delusion

All of them

how much did the porn mods improve?
Last time I played was almost a year ago, but I might reinstall if there's mew interesting stuff

Skyrim was okay, but completely normiefied even more than Oblivion. Uncharted 2 is putrid ass and I have come to terms with the fact that I will never understand why games like Uncharted are so praised.

While I'm insulting games people like: the Arkham games are utter shit. I bought Arkham City in 2011 and could not believe how it got such high ratings.

Sup Forums loves 40k and Deus Ex

>I will never understand why games like Uncharted are so praised
Because most people don't even like playing games, they want to watch fucking interactive movies instead.

I enjoy gears immensely but I expect Gears 4 to be nothing but alright with a mediocre singleplayer

it was a casualized greatest hits collection

4/10

you tried

It was groundbreaking and infuential on an objective level when strictly speaking about modding potential. Literally nothing comes close even to this day except maybe 2nd Life which is super jew and has even worse performance.

>Sup Forums suddenly loves Skyrim

What the fuck went wrong? I throught this place was full of memesters that hated Skyrim.

Eh not that impressive, good for an FPS but still doesn't have all the options available in Skyrim, even if it's something as banal as stealing shit from merchants. It still boils down to:
>character dies or not
>slightly different outcome
Good selection of endings though.

Its a very boring game
but at the same time its the current best h game

>Is Skyrim one of the best games of all time?
No, it's one of those games everyone with half a brain hates, yet still has over 200 hours spent playing it.

Op is just a faggot.

The most moddable thing is a metaprogramming language like Lisp or Forth. This isn't even being pedantic; being glorified programming environments is what makes things like Skyrim and Second Life so moddable. That said, Skyrim is far more moddable than Second Life, especially with the script extenders, in that Second Life has a more limited API. Which makes sense, Second Life has to remain a relatively coherent online game, while you can completely take over the mechanics of Skyrim if you're so inclined.
But all that said, Skyrim is no more moddable than Oblivion or Morrowind, or Neverwinter Nights for that matter. It's definitely not groundbreaking, and it's only influential because it was a lot of normalfags' first exposure to serious modding.

You can't play a game and hate it. I've only played Skyrim once for 20 minutes and turned it off because I have no interest in that type of game. But I recognize its merits and what it's done for the medium. You on the other hand played it for 200 hours yet somehow hate it. Why is this? Why didn't you turn off the game at the first 20 minutes knowing you didn't like that style of game?

What tangible results from player decisions does Skyrim have, other than character dies or not?

Stop spouting this "C&C is an integral part of any RPG" codex meme. By this logic, VNs are the best RPGs ever, which they are not. C&C is only a very good bonus to the roleplaying aspects of a RPG, but the same can be said about ANY game, since C&C makes ANY game better.

What makes a RPG good is the ability to solve problems in different ways based on the skills and abilities of your character that you pick up during character creation and progression. A simplified example would be a diplomatic Bard solving a quest via non-violent means, because he is skilled in speechcraft/bluff/perform, while a scary looking beefcake Fighter would solve the same quest via either non-violent means through Intimidate or just plain killing everyone ded. This is what makes a good RPG and there aren't that many RPGs out there that present the player consistently with such opportunities of roleplay.

Of course, Skyrim has neither C&C, nor good multi-solution quests, so it's a shit RPG either way.

Because he must align with the memes at any cost, even if he's a total fucktard hypocrite.

It's a guilty pleasure kind of thing. I know it has very shallow roleplay mechanics and the world is an empty shithole populated with copy-pasted dungeons that do not reward independent exploration, but I still liked the atmosphere of the game. It felt comfy for a while.

Steal shit, end up in prison or pay is a basic example, has been around for awhile because it's, y'know, an RPG series as opposed to an FPS. Or the entire Civil War which admittedly was gutted before release but you can restore parts of it with mods.

I'd say it was definitely one of the top 5 of last gen, but I don't know about the best.

Top 5 for me would be

5. Fable 2
4. Halo 3
3. Skyrim
2. Uncharted 2
1. Last of Us

gud:
>graphics
>assets
>music
>mods

bad:
>gameplay (it's literally left click only)
>story
>characters
>quests
>balance
>oversimplification
>horrible UI

however for the common newmale the priorities are like:
1. graphics
2. sexmods
3. dual wielding
4. UNLIMITED QUESTS!!1
...
100. gameplay

Because I force myself to finish the games I start, even if sometimes I don't really like them, because they might get better further in.

And sometimes I even end up liking them. Happened with Darksiders, E.Y.E. and Prey.

How can you play the game for so long and not see its flaws?

Absolutely zero (0) taste

Because the game sounds good in concept but was executed poorly? Why would you assume he disliked the "style" of the game in particular?

I've personally played the game for hours too. When I begun I saw a huge world sprawling in front of me which I assumed would be full of interesting stuff to uncover. How is anyone supposed to know that won't be the case with 20 minutes of playtime?

mgs 5 for sure

Skyrim has a fun world to explore, but the questing is shit.

Oblivion has great quests, but the world is shit.

If a game needs mods to be fun, it's not a fun game.

dumb frogposter

The world still had more variation than Skyrim, or any other TES game for that matter, even if it was all more generic than Morrowind.

>Oblivion world was diverse

Stop memeing faggot.

Those were games I felt deserved to be praised as best of the gen because they pushed the medium forward and couldn't be accomplished on previous hardware. What is wrong with them? Were there not enough indie titles to your preference?

He's right, though.

Hi, samefag

>movies pushing the medium forward

Stop posting and go back to whatever shithole you came from.

When did frogposters learn samefagging?