This game doesn't get the respect it deserves. Admit this is one of the top MGS games

This game doesn't get the respect it deserves. Admit this is one of the top MGS games.

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Of course its one of the better MGS games

Because its actually enjoyable to play

The game balancing is garbage. Even compared to MGS3, MGS4, and MGSV--all of which struggle with balance.

The amount of content was nice, though.

This. MGSV was basically Peace Walker 2 but the open world nature + weird second act of the game just didn't mesh with the Peace Walker mechanics AT ALL.

What do you mean by balancing?

Better than V.

I mean that enemies are utterly incompetent, and this problem is exacerbated by the Fulton system and the various other tools at the player's disposal. CQC and headshots are as comically overpowered as ever. Equip the sneaking suit and crouch run your way to victory, casually summoning enemies from several feet away with Big Boss's unstoppable telekinetic CQC prowess as you go.

The levels at the base, which are more narrow and claustrophobic, are actually fairly well-designed in that they feel like an appropriate counterpart to the sight ranges and general sensitivity of the enemies, though they're still easy. Similarly, the jungle with camouflaged enemies were a nice change of pace in that they demanded a degree of caution from the player (though somewhat trivialized by wearing goggles). But most of the levels feel designed for enemies with MGS2's or MGS3's AI, but PW isn't those games and it shows.

Guess that makes sense. Also add in how difficult the boss fights were in comparison to the rest of the game. Still enjoyed it though.

The game has its successes.

ill say this, its got one of the bestt intro/tutorials in a video game, period

>grind this shitty mission on your tiny fucking map for your s rank
Only japs enjoy this garbage.

No Tomokazu Fukushima, no buy.

It's fun in short bursts

>MGSV
>shit everything
>great gameplay

>PW
>good story
>shit gameplay
>actually a complete game

ill never decide which is worse

Peace Walker has the second best gameplay in the series though

this game is fucking garbage dude. In fact, it gets TOO much respect. I can't understand how anyone can find this game better than any other main MGS game, even 5

>shit gameplay
This is completely and absolutely false.

>good story
>peacewalker

you're out of your fucking minds if you believe this

>implying this game isn't at least better than 4

it's way worse than 4, which is better than 5, which is better than PW

Peace Walker was amazing. I felt like I was playing as Big Boss much more than I did playing MGSV because the story was a driving force, Snake talked, I developed a motherfucking Metal Gear, the base was kept to my imagination instead of being an empty and boring place, and the music and menu systems were clean and unintrusive while looking very army-esque instead of that iphone bullshit.

got to play the majority of it with my brother was a lot of fun but i still prefer mpo

>bosses are vehicles and not interesting in the slightest
Here's a stupid looking robot shagohod with all this dumb shit taped to it
>tapes are boring to listen to compared to cutscenes
hey want to listen to me talk about dumb shit like bananas for 20 minutes in this menu?
>gameplay is dumbed down and mind numbingly easy
hey lets take everything from 3 and completely replace it with a shitty shallow version in a shitty shallow mockup of levels from 3.
>david hayter's voice acting is fucking awful
david can you sound like youre trying to gargle a bunch of gravel and poorly pronounce everything?

Don't even get me started on the mechanical parts of the gameplay.

peace walker is cool on paper, executed like dog shit. Fuck that game.

>good story
>peacewalker

Yes. It gives closure to Big Boss about The Boss which seems many people didn't understand. And it gives us a glimpse at how he was developing into a charismatic leader and a terrorist. The villain was dumb and flat though ("I was responsible of The Boss' death!") but it's much better than Skullface ("I was ALSO responsible of The Boss' death!", I mean come on...). Not to mention the themes of deterrance were great as a way to continue with the themes of nuclear warfare.

Why was it always so fucking hard to just make a multiplayer Metal Gear game?

Why did it had to be a fucking stupid Monster Hunter grind down the giant robots hit points shit fest. Fucking Monster Hunter ruined any hope of good multiplayer games out of Japan for fucking years.

Mpo?

>peace walker
>good gameplay
>ON A PSP

hahahahaha

Stealing a helicopter to Motherbase by snipping its pilot who didn't get down at the first shot was honestly the most excited I've been playing a MGS game.

portable ops

>absolutely shit controls
>grinding
>grinding
>more grinding
>shit co-op based bosses
>have to be asking ammo constantly for them
>not even challenging, they are just gigantic bullet sponges where the only risk is running out of ammo
>last missions before fighting Peace Walker are a goddamn chore to complete non-lethally
>shit story all about ''Muh boss''
>Hayter's worst acting by far
>shitty comic cutscenes with gimmick QTEs
>building ZEKE is pointless
>entire fucking game happens in the same 5 corridors
>BOSS OUR GUARDS ARE MENTALLY RETARDED AND ZADORNOV HAS ESCAPED FOR THE #312980743192873190 TIME, YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THESE MISSIONS IF YOU WANT TO GET TO THE EBIN TWIST ENDING
>the word ''Peace'' is spouted every 5 fucking seconds, it's even in the goddamn title because Kojima thinks we are dumb enough to not get that that's the theme of the game
>''HEY, BIG BOSS BUILT THIS UP BECAUSE HE WAS CHARISMATIC'' even though he was a fucking autistic, personality-less shit all the way through

When was the MGS fanbase taken over by Zelda cycle memers?

it's not that nobody understands it, it's that it wasn't fucking needed. NOTHING past 3 is needed. All you need to know about big boss is that he got fucked by 2 different governments playing dick measuring deterrence games with eachother.

I'm so tired of people defending awful development decisions with BUT BUT IT WAS NEEDED. fuck off, no it wasn't. sometimes less is more.

You are a fucking retard if you needed anything more than Big Boss refusing to shake the President's hand to understand why he did all that shit.

In comparison to any other Metal Gear game apart from 5 it has the worst fucking characters, the worst dialogue, terrible story that did not need to exist and its filled with shitty padding from front to back.

Its a giant waste of time.

>it's that it wasn't fucking needed
No story is needed. They are there for the sake of entertainment. And it was entertaining.
MGS3 wasn't needed, we didn't need to see Big Boss' origin story, but we got it and it was fun
MGS2 wasn't needed, we could have just assumed Snake got with Meryl and they were happy forever.
MGS wasn't needed either. Snake was already retired.
MGS2 wasn't needed, Outer Heaven exploded in the first game.
It's fiction, it's for fun. And was satisfactory to explore Big Boss during Peace Walker after MGS3.

The "Top MGS games" are MGS1-4.

Everything else is DLC

There's such a large gap between losing faith for your country and becoming a leader of a terrorist army-nation. For fuck's sake.

Then again, it's 30 years between MGS3 and MG1.

Naked Snake is just a poorly written character all around. As a CIA agent he should've already known his country was up to sketchy shit for years, but for some reason Kojima really wanted to reduce Big Boss into a YA story.

It is, but before Peace Walker we had this blank space with no stories to fill it that deserved to be told.
Shame MGSV actually didn't do anything for the story other than getting Kaz mad at BB.

Thats not what we got though. At all.

>japanese american
>looks white
>height 1.90m

wasn't snake based on kurt russel's character in escape from new york?

Peace Walker wasn't meant to be an ending. Kojima confirmed they wanted Ground Zeroes to be released a couple of years after PW, but the next gen happened and delayed the production.

there is when you word it like that.

There however isn't when you're a special forces agent who was trained by one of the best soldiers in existence, who then betrays you, because your country and some foreign country you've been "at war with" make a deal in the shadows that shows you how expendable you are and how little they really give a fuck about you. Then mock that mentor's memory to save face, to your face, and give you a code name that shits on said mentor's memory

MGS:PO was the portable Metal Gear Solid game
MGS:PW is a Monster Hunter game that is so thinly veiled that a hole was ripped open and there is a Monster Hunter section.

Snake isnt Big Boss.

And by Jap-American clearly they meant "biracial" as we call it today

And all that you described has the potential for being its own story. And that's what Peace Walker was all about.

and it completely fucking failed to do what everyone wanted it to do.

Fair enough, but what we got was awful. If you're gonna back track and pull the OH HE WASNT BAD AT ALL card suddenly, then you may as well just leave it vague. 4 shit on what 3 did, and what PW i assume, intended to do. Big boss is never shown as a bad guy, ever. until randomly in TPP he 180s and abandons the representation of who he is in PW(venom) to go do manipulative world villain things.

I understand liking it, but it's done so poorly, i just wish it hadn't been.

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>japanese girl
>181cm
it's not that unrealistic

Good thing Big Boss helps close that gap with his own explanation for his behavior in MG2 then, huh?

>you're gonna back track and pull the OH HE WASNT BAD AT ALL card suddenly
But he, objectively, was. However as the player you don't see your actions as wrong.
>develops a weapon with a nuke
>takes a child and turns him into a soldier
>decides at the end that he wants to make a world where soldiers are always needed, rejecting the message of The Boss because he felt betrayed since she went against the morals she taught him.
>declares war against the world
It's subtle as fuck. He isn't a cartoon like Hot Coldman, but he clearly becomes a terrorist.

i might disagree that it was amazing but everything you said is true and i think we can all agree PW>TPP

kinda-but-kinda-not-canon game

I can't.
Peace Walker was a chore where grinding was actually necessary, while in TPP it was only necessary to grind the fulton.
Plus I didn't have to put up with Hayter doing his worst acting yet.
I was entertained by TPP, PW was a game that I had to endure.

Yes? Monster Hunter is the better franchise. That's like complaining if they put a Mega Man stage into Gunvolt.

better than mgs5

problem with 5 though is that it had 4 writers

The best MGS game since MGS3 desu.

4, PW and V had the same writers, idiot.

>Peace Walker was a chore where grinding was actually necessary, while in TPP it was only necessary to grind the fulton.
TPP has significantly more grinding than PW if you want to have any weapons or upgrades
>Plus I didn't have to put up with Hayter doing his worst acting yet.
instead you get no acting or emoting from anyone
other than best boy Kaz and piss my pants Huey
>I was entertained by TPP, PW was a game that I had to endure.
guess thats makes one person. 99% of people who played TPP were let down
also PW is better just by virtue of being a completed game, sorry.

Massive turd made for PSP, garbage story, garbage bosses, garbage VA's and garbage gameplay.

did i say that kojimbo and murata were the problem?

>TPP has significantly more grinding than PW if you want to have any weapons or upgrades
I don't, I want to complete the game.
Completing PW requiered me to grind to beat Peace Walker, MGSV only asked me the level 2 fulton, the rest of the game could be completed with the loadout from the first mission.

>instead you get no acting or emoting from anyone
Are you implying there's any emotion in PW?

>guess thats makes one person. 99% of people who played TPP were let down
Not at all, that's Sup Forums's opinion, and nobody outside of Sup Forums cares, or agrees, with what Sup Forums says.

8.8 on Steam, 9.6 in Metacritic critic score, and 8.2 in user score.

>guess thats makes one person. 99% of people who played TPP were let down

>26k reviews on Steam
>87% are positive
>can find quite few people with more than 200 hours in it
Nope.
Maybe you should leave this echo-chamber for once.

Do people still play Peace Walker online on the PS3 version? This is an important question.

>Are you implying there's any emotion in PW?
Objectively yes

No there's not.
Hayter simply can't act, he's a plank of wood with no range.
The moment he tried to ''''''''''''cry''''''''''' he sounded like he was caught coughing while puking.
It's, by far, his worst voice work in the franchise, and probably the reason why they kicked his ass out.

>tfw just emulated MGS
>MGS 2 and 3 HD for vita arriving tomorrow
>Just bought Peace Walker on the vita store
>mfw don't own a PS3 for MGS4

I'm officially fucked, I even have a computer that would do 5 justice

Oh well, they'll eventually make a port for it or a remaster for PS4, or put it back on the PSNow list ffs

>Hayter simply can't act, he's a plank of wood with no range.
youtube.com/watch?v=5x6mVUDB6Fw
This is the realest shit I've heard in my life.

MGS4 is the worst game of the franchise, make up some fanfiction, is going to be better than that gigantic turd with a 2 hour long cringworthy cutscene as an ending.

I'd take bad acting over not even trying to act.

I do, voice acting is not an esential part of a videogame since it only affects story.

why do i see people using a shitload of '''''''''''these''''''''''' all of a sudden?

MGS4 is a must-play

If any games are fanfiction then its everything after MGS2, but MGS4 is still a necessary game

It's ok, user. MGS4 is highly unnecessary.
The story was supposed to end with 2, and being the last chronologically makes it skippable.

No. Fuck Peace Walker and fuck Kojima.

I don't give a flying fuck about Big Boss or whoever the fuck Miller is supposed to be, or that cunt The Boss. They're 1 dimensional as shit and don't hold a candle to Snake and Otacon. 3 was a fun side-show but MGS died after 4.

For what, so that he sees how the entire franchise crumbles away in a checklist of retcons and shitty cutscenes?

>since it only affects story.
Which is half the reason fans play MGS.

>They're 1 dimensional as shit and don't hold a candle to Snake and Otacon
You mean rough soldier with rough voice and epic anime nerd?

Every single character in the franchise is a walking cliche.

Yes. Plus the best version of Snake

>best version
>old
>depressed
>almost vomits everytime he tried to talk

Why?
It's one of the most convoluted and retarded storylines in videogames.

>It's one of the most convoluted and retarded storylines in videogames.
Its not if you actually pay attention

>best version
>old
>depressed
>almost vomits everytime he tried to talk
Not that you seem to grasp storytelling at all.

>It's one of the most convoluted and retarded storylines in videogames.
>what is Kingdom Hearts, FFX, shit, anything Square made after FFV

Why would I try to bother trying to grasp the storytelling of a franchise that was built up upon ripping off countless movies, songs and books?
Hell, Kojima is such a hack that he can't make a point that his game is about something, without explaining the game's theme every 5 fucking minutes.
How many times was the word ''Peace'' spouted in Peace Walker?
How many times were the words ''Phantom pain'' and ''Revenge'' spouted in TPP?

Hell, he's such a hack that instead of mirroring plot points with Moby Dick to reference that book, he literally calls characters Ahab, Ishmael and Pequod.

>what is Kingdom Hearts, FFX, shit, anything Square made after FFV
And MGS.

>a franchise that was built up upon ripping off countless movies, songs and books?
All great works of fiction do this, you know.

>How many times were the words ''Phantom pain'' and ''Revenge'' spouted in TPP?
How many words were said in TPP
Around fifteen?

MGS is easy shit compared to what I mentioned. It barely scratches the surface.

>Why would I try to bother trying to grasp the storytelling of a franchise that was built up upon ripping off countless movies, songs and books?
Because
1.- Everything is inspired by something.
2.- These stories are great for the most part.

>All great works of fiction do this, you know.
No, others reference other works.
Kojima literally rips off characters.
Pic related, Kojima is the most unsubtle writer to ever grace this industry.
He doesn't even do anything with what he rips off, he just copies whatever he has been reading or watching that week and he adds it to the story without changing shit like names.

i didn't know they made a movie about metal gear

That's a shot from Predator, retard.

It's from Aliens, you dumb puke

It's from Commando, you nigger

>no Hayter is better than a borderline silent protagonist.

Yes it is.
David Hayter is a horrible VA with absolutely no range and PW's was his lowest point.

>Yes. It gives closure to Big Boss about The Boss
And it turns the Boss into the biggest fucking mary sue in the history of video games. It completely destroys her character. It actually manages to make her character in MGS3 look worse.

The story in PW was garbage. No, that is an insult to actual garbage.

No, it is massively convoluted and retarded.

Convoluted does not mean hard to follow, it means unnecessarily complex and twisting.

Kojima is a shit writer who can't help but explicitly hit the player/watcher over the head ever 30 seconds with what he was trying to convey 30 seconds before. He is also a shit writer where every single character has to a tragic motivation, a "deep" philosophical outlook, and nothing can be straight forward but has to be nanomachines or self-hypnotized possession.

>great works of fiction do this, you know.
So do shit works of fiction, you know.

Kojima's work is definitely the latter by any reasonable standard. So, what's your point?

I can understand someone liking PW, it did some things well, but actually thinking that it's the best is completely beyoned me when MGS1-3, hell even 4 exist.