When did this become the go to scapegoat for games as art? I remember it being a well recieved cultish game pre-2005...

When did this become the go to scapegoat for games as art? I remember it being a well recieved cultish game pre-2005, Team Silent must be pissing themselves now lol.

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only a few people on Sup Forums say it
its still generally shadow of the colossus that people bring up as art

>Only a few people on Sup Forums say it

Since its release, the game appeared on several critics' top lists for its story and use of metaphors, psychological horror and taboo topics as well as its soundtrack/sound design. It is now considered by many critics to be the greatest horror game of all time.

thats not being argued though

forbidden siren was pretty spoopy too

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Siren sucks

Silent Hill 2 is still probably the least scary game in the series though.

List of horror games better than sh2:

Resident Evil 4
Fatal Frame
Fatal Frame 2

Pretty much, it excels greatly in every other aspect. The story is amazing.

The fact that the entire thing is a character study of a mentally disturbed man makes it pretty "deep" for your typical video game narrative, and depth = art for a lot of people.

i never bothered with the silent hill games because i got the bad ending on 1 and that pissed me off. was thinking of starting over but the series has went to shit so i dont even think theres any real point

You could tell they weren't going for shit your pants scary like 1 and 3, and instead more of a melancholy and disturbing vibe.

>Re4
Very different, but sure.
>Fatal Frame
No.

I still think The Room hit the whole disturbing aspect a whole lot better, but it's also a more personal kind of horror game. The Room is probably the generally scariest title in the series though.

You're a bad, bad person user

>Fatal Frame

i hated this game because they made the last night retardedly hard for no reason, had to start the game from scratch because i didnt have enough health items

Most people would probably disagree with you because of stupid shit like burping nurses. That game was so hit or miss in every aspect, it's insane.

I agree with you though.

Most SH4 critics call Henry bland when he's actual like that because he's a social recluse that is very awkward around people.

agreed, 4 is definitely underrated as fuck

>every main boss in the series instakills you if they touch you
>you encounter them multiple times in the story as chase sequences before you can even fight them

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

FF3 did that aspect the best with the stalking tattooed ghost. In every other game it was scripted scenes. Puts you on edge.

Finding Walter in that fucking fridge is still one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a videogame.

>horror games
>lists re4

He's not even the protagonist, either. He's a lens through which we see Walter Sullivan, the infinitely more interesting character around whom the entire story revolves.

But yeah he's not even that bad, we just got spoiled by James and Heather.

If Silent Hill 4 was given the proper time it needed, then it had the chance to be the best of the four. As is, it's a game with excellent concepts hiding behind shoddy presentation.

Still love it though.
They also forget that while Henry is our eyes in to the world, Walter is the main character of the story.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call Joseph the protagonist?

>fridge
don't you mean hidden room? I mean there was a fridge in that room but it was just a small thing.

>the lump that meows in the fridge
>the wall made of babies
>Eileen's giant head in the hospital room
>peering through the peephole and seeing nothing but that fucking rabbit
4 had some pants-shitting moments alright.

Anyone else find it interesting that Fatal Frame III and SH4 both have the same central gimmick? You have a safe haven/hub in your apartment, when you sleep fucked up shit happens, and the safe haven gradually becomes infested/haunted by the evil shit going on.

They're my favorites from their respective series' even if I don't think they're the outright best and I think the use of the apartment is what ultimately does it for me.

I find Fatal Frame more atmospheric than anything else. I like the games, but I can't fear anything that gives me the ZERO SHOT praise for properly damaging an enemy.

Anyone else find it interesting that SH4 and The Evil Within have the same premise too?

Was it just in the back room? I thought you opened up the fridge in the hidden room to see his rotting corpse.

>the first time you see a Twin Victim in the prison

THEY JUST FUCKING JOLT AT YOU.

Yeah I loved the moments in FF3 when you really didn't know if it's still a dream or the waking world. And then the ghost slowly start invading your home.
>dat growing stain on the wall near the dark room
I swear it was a face.

If you haven't already, give House of Leaves a read. The concept of the comfort and safety of home getting corrupted and turned 'wrong' is a real goldmine for unsettling horror.

'unheimlich' if you wanna get pretentious about it.

>You guys wanna art?

>we just got spoiled by James and Heather
People also forget that the original Silent Hill had a similar presentation of its characters and story as SH4, in regards to how Harry was the "protagonist" while Alessa was the main character.

Isn't that where you find the umbilical cord? Wait no, that's SH2 isn't it. Or is it? Fuck I'm losing my mind.

>tfw remembering the time my cousin bought Silent Hill 2 for the PS2 and we started playing it together
>Hard puzzle difficulty, all the time we spent making notes of the puzzles to see what made sense and trying to solve them
>Coupled with a horror element that wasn't quite common back in the time, avoiding in some ways the generic monster trope that's just there to make you scared, going instead for monsters that represented something in the story as a whole
I still have the Collector's Edition of this game for PC. Only game for which I have ever bought a special edition.

I don't know. I think this game got almost everything right. Silent Hill 1 and 3 were more focused on paranormal and religious topics, but SH2 went for the purely psychological and I'm a sucker for those kind of things.

And it's always fun replaying it and finding new ways to interpret the seemingly random things you encounter around the two. There's so much symbolism in this game, it's almost ridiculous.

Nah, Joseph hardly exists beyond being an exposition dump. Walter's journey is the central focus through and through. Anyone else, including Henry and Joseph, are literally just random fucks who are unfortunate to be wrapped up in that shit show one way or another.

Henry is still technically the protagonist since the narrative is told from his perspective but Walter is arguably the main character.

You get it out of James' dad's place, don't you? It's been a few years since I last played it.

You do play as Joseph in intro at least.

Fair enough. Personally 1 was actually the last one I played in the series due to not having a PS1, so Harry kinda tends to get sidelined for me.

Not as bad as Alex from Homecoming though. I don't even remember him besides his stupid SH2 wannabe plot twist.

Harry's a good way to do the bait-and-switch though. Can't believe the movie replaced him with a chick because they felt audiences wouldn't understand a father going to those lengths for a daughter.

Shit, now I wanna replay The Room. Anyone got that mega link that gets floated around these threads sometimes?

I can pay you in anime tiddies.

>You get it out of James' dad's place, don't you?
Yeah, I think he was the landlord of the apartment and it was in his room on the bottom floor.

Last time I tried to DL sh4 from that, the file was broken. Might have been fixed by now though.

The thing with Alex that pisses me off is that he was such wasted potential: making a Silent Hill game centered around a war vet is a great concept, but they fucked it up by making the game have some dumb Mass Effect dialog tree system. Not to mention not actually making him a soldier maybe, one of the endings implies he may have been, and he was just in a psych ward from moment one of the game. Fuck, that game is dumb

Balls. PB has like one torrent for the PC version, it has 1 seeder and half the comments are VIRUS VIRUS VIRUS.

It's definitely in there because I vividly remember the cutscene of Eileen beating the shit out of Henry and then running away after he finds it.

...

I totally don't remember that at all.

I think she only does it if she's in really bad shape.

There are three different Elieens for each cutscene, depending on which playthrough you're going for, so it's possible that's one of the variant cutscenes.

The opening was some straight up Jacob's Ladder shit (which is funny, it's now gone full circle) which was a great start, and then it just got progressively more and more disappointing.

I'll give it that the soundtrack has some of Yamaoka's best vocal tracks in the series and that some of the boss designs are neato (Human Dollipede comes to mind) but mostly it was just ass.

I got the ending where he goes into a coma and dies in the psych ward my first time playing, which was one big final wet cockslap to the face. uninstall.exe, never again.

You're right, they really could have done all sorts of things with a war vet, but instead they took a retarded easy way out.

Oh, yeah, the ending system.
Though my Eileen was beat the fuck up at that point too so maybe it's only if you don't clear all the spooks out of your apartment.

It's dependent on how many times she was hit during the whole game. IRC you can just use a candle in front of her to temporarily "heal" her and quickly enter the supervisors apartment to trigger her disappearance. This will slow her down in the final fight giving you time to get the best ending.

Absolute dog shit taste detected

I've started this game twice and both times I stopped after the third mission.

What the hell... I swear that's a direct quote from a video, right?

Does anyone have that really good infograph of how to play this game on PC's?

A friend of mine really wants to get into the series and would like to play the PC version if he can

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Rev up those personal rankings, boys

4>1>2>3>shattered memories>origins>who gives a fuck

>gives a fuck about origins

2 > 1 > 4 > 3 > Shit > All other SHs

Downpour is OK in a few areas but still mostly shit.

I only ranked Origins at all because I can remember most of it but I can remember literally nothing about Homecoming aside from one boss and I've never played Downpour.

2 > 3 = 4 (I go back and forth) >1 > SH > Origins.

No other games came out after that.

That sight jacking shit was max spooky though

>Shattered Memories
>Downpour
>Homecoming
If you had said in 1-4 then sure

The underground prison can slowly get to me a bit.
But stuff like the lake, and hotel are actually pretty relaxing.

The labyrinth is the shittiest location in all of the first four Silent Hill games

Prove me wrong

I always hated the Water Tower from Silent Hill 4.

Trust me, people were raving about it in 2001 too.

2001 overall was an amazing year for gaming.

The sixth console generation (including PC) was the final period of truly innovative, genre-defining big-budget games.

Most artsy indie games these days are heavily influenced by SH2 and similar artsy AAA games.