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just like legends

Damn, nice one.

Alright user, are you ready to have your mind blown?
There is a prevailing theory that Zero was created by Dr. Wily.

Post Mega Man's sister.

Threadily reminder that X is a much a successor to Gamma as it is to Mega Man

Kalinka > Roll

Daily reminder Juno did nothing wrong.

Dr. Cain is a robotically modified Dr. Wily, perhaps beyond the scope of still being recognized as human. Something happened during a procedure to extend his life that caused him to forget his identity, although his knowledge and fragments of his memory still remain.

But user, this cannot possibly be the case, Dr. Wily is actually competent with robotics

No.

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Actually, canon states that he's superior to dr.light in the field of robotics.
Light is the AI man.

So what happened to Proto Man in the end? I really don't want to consider the possibility of him just keeling over one day under a streetlight in the rain, dying a completely anonymous and unnoteworthy death.

Why not, user?
It's the end he wanted for himself, after all

It is believed Zero killed them all but con man inafune said his original character wouldn't do that years later.

Sauce.

Did he want it? Could he even "want"? I thought all the robots in the classic series had very basic "intelligence" and real AI didn't come until the reploids or whatever they're called were built between the classic and X series

Because he could have been so much more, deserved so much better. It's just really sad that the coolest, most interesting character in the franchise could have gone out in such an underwhelming way.

Proto Man was different! You can argue about the extent of his freedom, but that he comprehended, wanted and actively pursued freedom and independence is undeniable.

All the Classic numbers have free will, it just isn't absolute. They're all shackled to the Laws of Robotics, and from a mechanical standpoint that limited free will can be overriden easier than one would be able to do later on with X, Zero or Reploid models.

Do notice how in the X games one basically doesn't hear talks of reprogramming robots unless it's through manipulation by the Virus, which is in a category all of its own as far as the franchise's technology goes.

It might be that in the hypothetical world of Mega Man sequels there's a game that shows Protoman going out in a blaze of glory to save his brother from the last, greatest menace Wily could come up with. But there's something to be said for him instead just dying peacefully, content with the loneliness that was his choice.

what is happening down there

There just aren't too many options in life for a dying robot that valued freedom above his own well-being, I suppose.

Well he either dies alone, dies in battle, or explodes and takes a chunk of a major population center with him.

And of the three possibilities I know which one is the least likely

looks like a mountain? iunno

so I found the source (great artist btw), but the image isn't quite the same, less hearts and twitching lines
is this part of a series of images? what am I missing?
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Both full pics are on his pixiv. Didn't realize people still used Rule34...

But he's still alive in X2 and Serges is the Wily there.

it's the easiest way to find porn parodies
and you need an account for pixiv

I'm pretty sure that Serges is just a crazy old robot man that found its way into the X-Hunter base one day spouting gibberish and no one else bothered to throw him out

The underground dungeons in that game were so fucking unnerving man
Still scared of replaying this game because of how badly they spooked me as a kid

>r34

"Zero kills everyone" was a fan theory that was mostly prominent in the western fanbase. Doesn't stop stuff like Mega Man Unlimited from trying to pass it as truth, though.

I thought the prominent theory was that he killed most of the robots and possibly both doctors, but that Protoman may have been the robot that eventually became reworked into X.

That's the first time I hear that variant. The truth is Mega Man games are not about the story.

>I really don't want to consider the possibility of him just keeling over one day under a streetlight in the rain, dying a completely anonymous and unnoteworthy death.
Nah, his power core went thermonuclear and turned everything in twenty square miles into glass.

Be honest. What was your favorite megaman sprite comic?

The ruins in Mega Man Zero 2 and 3 look like reaverbots

Bob and George will always hold a place in my heart, stupid as it was.

Nigga, it isn't a theory it's fact.

How did Wily even come into contact with Sigma

>Zero before activation has the appearance of X2 Zero

>game comes out after X2
>uses updated character design because more detail is allowed in an arcade game

Is Zero GBA series a separate canon/hundreds of years later?

hundreds of years later. I think legends takes place the farthest into the future.

It's set a few centuries or so after the X series.

All games except for Battle Network/Starforce are the same timeline.

Classic > X > hundreds of years > Zero > ZX > possibly thousands of years > Legends

>Hexagonal shoulderpad in silhouette
>"more detail"
They fucked up user, just admit it

Wait, how is X a successor to Gamma? That makes zero sense (get it? Zero sense?)

But seriously, how?

Is everyone on this board a fucking moron?

Yes?

Cain is literally just some no-name Archaeologist who got famous because he found X

and somehow being an archaeologist meant he was qualified to reverse engineer X's design because any professor has a degree in science

Yeah. Apparently people are saying X has something to do with Gamma, a giant combat robot built for peacekeeping when he was created to advance AI and Light specifically wanted him to not be used for combat. Definitely some morons around.

It's still Zero being made by Dr. Wily. Regardless of the design used in The Power Fighters.

It was always heavily implied and later outright confirmed that Wily created Zero (DWN: Infinity). The whole arguments really is "did zero kill everyone" which was proven false

>spoiler
Series went full wanna be soap opera after X3, hell possibly as early as 8 with those terrible anime cutscenes

It was literally confirmed 20 years ago when The Power Fighters came out tbqh famalam. I doubt you were even out of diapers, let alone wondering who created Zero.

>Mega Man games are not about the story.

I still want to know what happened between classic and x. Even if Inafune drops a paragraph explaining that all are favorite robots got buttfucked by a tractor with zero as the driver it would still be better than this cocktease mystery the faggot left us with.

I used to follow Bob and George religiously. Hell, I used to follow a lot of shitty web comics back in the day. I kind of miss the mountains of shit in a nostalgic way.

As a kid, all those cutscenes did was make me want a proper Mega Man cartoon, animated in that style but with better writing and acting.

could mozart be still alive ?

I'm tired of this meme. Somebody would have found me by now.

X3 came out before 8, so you could just say the X series as a whole started it all. Sure, X1 could have very well been its own self-contained story, but with each new addition afterwards it gets sillier and sillier (like repliforce for instance).

I think the main thing to consider is should they ever do that. From Capcom's perspective the answer is probably a no (they want to keep making more games, if they ever will, after all), but for any of us fans involved whatever they'd come up with wouldn't live up to our expectations. Better just leave that inconsequential bit to our imaginations, because as far as I care the Classic to X transition is nothing but a transition to more action oriented gameplay style.

Inafune is Inafuriating with his stupid ass fucking Zero wank. I used to be an Inafan but now I think he's an Inafaggot.

Uhhh?

ran into this game theory ish video where a guy concluded the following:
>Zero Kills everyone makes perfect sense but if Ifa says its false then i guess its false
>Cain said He found Lights Lab buried several meters below while he was in a desert being an archeologist and shit, claims x is lightyears ahead of current tech despite being built a century ago
>this must mean technology has gone backwards since the classic series
>this also means classic series city got fucking buried into a a desert by some catastrophe since it was only 1000 years ago
>and since Cain isn't familliar with such high tech or aware that he was over a booming metropolis, what happened is the following
>Classic series takes place in a city that was completely ahead of the rest of the world yet completely isolated from it, perhaps in the middle of some massive desert continent and the rest of the world didn't even have that part of the map filled or ever communicated with them.
>Willy blows the city up and buries everything
>it has to be just the city because if the whole world got caught in such a catastropher there's no way modern archeologist shit would be possible in a century
>cue time gap to X series

This is obviously wrong but it raises some pretty good points about Capcom completely failing at understanding the passage of time.

>I think the main thing to consider is should they ever do that. From Capcom's perspective the answer is probably a no (they want to keep making more games, if they ever will, after all), but for any of us fans involved whatever they'd come up with wouldn't live up to our expectations. Better just leave that inconsequential bit to our imaginations, because as far as I care the Classic to X transition is nothing but a transition to more action oriented gameplay style.


There are times when I can agree with an answer like this, when more details and explanation can only make a story less interesting, but the problem with this particular instance is that even though I think they initially just intended to drop the classic series and forget about it after x started to take off the problem is that they didn't and then continued to expand on the lore between the two and the possible connections between them. The problem is that they do have an intended answer for all this and if it is a shitty one it's still better than a hanging mystery on a story where a mystery is not really intended by the creators.

only Weil in english. He's Dr Vile in japanese which they changed because Vava's english name is Vile.

There is absolutely no way, given the information the X series has given us, that we could get a satisfying conclusion to the Classic series. Give it up.

I'll never give it up, we must know the truth. Man its out there I know it.

Actually there is a lot of implications in the JP version that Serges is really Wily.

But the similarities are pretty uncanny, he even introduced Omega to Zero, didn't he? I need to replay the Zero games.

Man, megaman has one of the saddest lore out there.

>Megaman everything is going to hell because of robots
>Megaman X everything is going even more to hell because of mavericks, maverick hunters are fighting a lost war
>Megaman Zero human life has been forced to almost abandon the planet, having to live in a secluded haven
>Megaman ZX humans are even MORE secluded while reploids already rule the surface
>megaman legends every single human is fucking D-E-D because of a virus and "humans" left are actually just fabrications

>20 years ago when The Power Fighters came out
can't deal

If you take the human race in to account, everything went to hell and back by the time X5 happened. Sure, the mavericks were causing a very nasty ruckus, but Eurasia's collision with the planet forced humans to exile underground while reploids had to clean it up.

The fact that they recovered from that enough that Neo Arcadia could be built, or that a place like Area Zero exists, is bit a of miracle.

Also
>Megaman ZX humans are even MORE secluded while reploids already rule the surface
I think the whole thing about ZX is that humans and reploids finally co-exist in harmony, going even as far as introducing limited lifespans to reploids to give them an equal grounding.

By the time Legends happened, humans and reploids had merged so much that carbons emerged, who were basically impossible to tell apart from either party.

I find it interesting that generally in japanese fiction, robots come to rescue us from shit/crazed evil robots or otherwise are here to aid us as allies. Then in general western fiction, robots will usually turn hostile towards humanity, aka Skynet or otherwise become a threat to us.

I wonder why the view on robotics is different like that.

I still wanna know what happened to Rock and Roll. Too bad we'll never ever get a definitive answer because lol then they would have wrote themselves into a wall like IGA did with Castlevania with Dracula dying for good in 1999.

The Zero series takes place in an alternate timeline.

In 6 if you complete the game with Zero he goes into the stasis chamber and the Zero games start with him waking up in one. The whole point of going to sleep was to find a way to purge the Sigma virus from himself so he can never go rogue again.

If you complete the game as X and you find/rescue Zero the game ends with a rather happy ending and the series goes on to X7.

If you don't find/rescue Zero but still complete the game as X Zero stays in the shadows and never rejoins the team.

>Zero series takes place in an alternate timeline.

No. They already explained later that the good ending to X6 happens at a later point not directly after the events of X6, which they did because they wanted to make more X sequels.

In Legends it's strongly implied that some force wanted to bring "pure" humans back, though.

My headcanon is that the Megaman timeline is basically a loop; after Legends it eventually reverts back to classic, starting the cycle all over again.

I was responsible for one of those shitty webcomics. But for Metroid. It was... Mildly successful, I guess?

I think it's that in western fiction robots are typically viewed as tools of some kind. As such they're viewed inhumane by default, which in turn creates the paranoia of them turning on us for any number of factors.

Alternatively it's also an easy way to get around violence affecting the age rating of a game. Particularly when German was "absolutely no human deaths allowed" mode when it came down to games, it was easier to just claim everyone's a robot.

That'd be a horrifying twist of events.

That's dumb, but alright. It makes more sense as a timeline split desu.

Random armchair theorizing but maybe Japans "Give of yourself for the whole" mentality makes efficient robots who serve the greater good more relatable to them. Meanwhile in the west has "AMERICA FREEDOM I DO WHAT I WANT" which means that if WE were robots we would rebel the fuck out our servitude so we assume all robots will.

I'm curious. I miss the days of not understanding what quality was and being able to enjoy any stupid thing.

I did some stupid mega man stuff on Newgrounds before I entered highschool. People liked them, I suppose.

>I wonder why the view on robotics is different like that.
One blog I read suggested that Japanese culture is more "pro-robot" due to animism and Shinto beliefs that make it easier to believe in "a robot with a soul". Western fiction has always placed robots firmly in the uncanny valley, close enough to look and act human, but always firmly part of "the other" that will never truly understand humanity (nor will we understand them).

Another possible reason is that post-war Japan has viewed automation and robotics as a way of revitalizing Japanese culture and industry. Mechanization quite literally rescued Japan. In contrast, American and Western views of this sort of technology are still firmly in military applications, because there was never a cultural shift like there was in post-war Japan.

This. There its Astro Boy and Megaman. And over here, Terminator and I, Robot.

I seem to recall a discussion/article about differences in weapons/objects of power in Japanese vs Western fiction. It mentioned how in Western fiction, the gun/sword/whatever ITSELF has inherent properties that it confers on the wielder, whereas in Japan it's more like it unlocks or enhances the wielder's latent potential.

To apply it to this context, it seems like Westerners have a greater tendency to view things as "foreign entities" with the potential to become hostile. Japanese, in contrast, see everything as more connected and/or part of a spectrum, so the idea of robots firstly, considering themselves indpendent entities, and secondly, deciding that they want to rebel, doesn't cross a Japanese person's mind nearly as quickly as a Westerner. It's kind of like what said.

Indeed. They were simpler times. My comic was called Maru Mari. I think it's still out there actually.

It is kinda dumb, there's a lot of weird disconnects and shit like that with the X and Zero series that isn't there with Classic and X that seem weird and don't make sense.

I always theorized Zero looks so different in MMZ because Inafune wanted the series to end at X5 and Zero to get revived with his new body but then he had to change shit because they started making X6 without his knowledge so they had to do the whole weird-ass "Zero still looks the same, it's just a different artstyle!" excuse. Which is weird because then we find out later that Zero ISN'T in his original body and Omega is and he looks exactly like MMZ Zero when it would have made more sense for him to have his look from the X series but I guess they were too lazy/wanted to use the different artstyle excuse.

I, Robot the movie has nothing to do with I, Robot the short stories. In the stories the detective is a literal robot and not a cyborg like Will Smith.

There's also no rebel AI plot, it's mostly just a robot detective solving murder mysteries. Try reading some of Asimov's stories sometime, they're really good. Segregationist is a pretty good one and The Bicentennial Man is also a good story.

You want Mega Man lore? I'll give you Mega Man lore.

Dr. Wily was never Dr. Light's assistant. He just showed up, stole Light's robots and tried to take over the world with them.
Mega Man doesn't know that Proto Man is his brother.
Zero never killed anyone in the classic period. He wasn't even activated properly prior to 21XX.
The numbered Maverick Hunter Units, such as X's Elite 17th Unit and Zero's 0th Special Forces Unit, were disbanded after the fifth game due to lack of personnel. Basically, Hunters tend to die or go Maverick a lot, so by the time the seventh game rolled around, there simply weren't enough guys left to justify having eighteen specialized units.
Carbons naturally have the ability to interface with specialized technology, but they don't naturally have the ability to disconnect their own body parts and replace them with mechanical parts. In order to utilize their ability to interface with technology to the fullest, some surgery is required. Diggers tend to have the most extensive surgical overhauls. After this, however, they're free to throw out their arms and legs and slap on whatever guns and drills they want.
MegaMan.EXE is essentially the originator of all modern NetNavis. Prior to Soichiro's breakthrough an utilizing human DNA in the NetNavi's code, Navis were basically just programs with no significant will or intelligence. Once he created MegaMan.EXE, however, he became the template of all modern NetNavis. Essentially, MegaMan.EXE is the Battle Network equivalent of X, only with far less disastrous ramifications.

>google it
>click random page
>samus and samus recolor fighting bowser
>samus uses the axe, sending blue samus and bowser plummeting

This is the comforting familiarity of awfulness that I miss.

Is that bit about legends actually in it?

Nah, I wouldn't say that. Both Light and Wily excelled more at AI than hardware. I mean, every Sigma body has been more powerful than either X or Zero, but they always win due to far superior AI. Zero's AI is so potent that even two hundreds years into the future, he's still beating down top-of-the-line Reploids with sheer skill.

Man, I really should get around to play Battle Network at some point. I just really cant handle a long RPG at the time.

Right? Although I do think there were some pretty good comics in there, but yeah. It was mostly an excuse for me and my friends to make a dumb comic every night.

Also, "Blue Samus" is an actual character. He's Armstrong Houston from the Super Metroid comics. He's basically Barry Burton in a space suit if I remember correctly, so... I just made him an idiot.

Have you played Legends? It's glossing over a lot of details but it's essentially right according to most peoples' interpretations(a lot of stuff was never fully clarified because Legends was never finished ;_:)

>a robot detective solving murder mysteries
sounds pretty good actually
might read it

Why are Zero's sprites from the MMZ series so ugly? Not even from a design standpoint, his sprite just looks worse than every other sprite.