So who were the Night Sentinels? Were they equally pissed guys at hell...

So who were the Night Sentinels? Were they equally pissed guys at hell? Did they come from the original Doom universe or did Doomguy find them in hell?

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They were a organization of guardians protecting the wraiths, one of them sold out and let the legion of doom through their barriers so their kingdom fell.

Who the fuck the angel who gave doom guy the advanced armor is a bigger mystery.

It wasn't an angel that gave him the armor, it was a traitorous demon.

The seraphim gave Doomguy "unmatched strength and speed," a demon gave him the armor, he gave himself a really bad attitude.

It's implied that Doomguy is the original Doomguy, but that the Night Sentinels were aliens native to Argent D'Nur, so one can assume that at some point Doomguy (that is to say vanilla doomguy without the praetor suit or the heavenly backing) left Hell after the events of Dooms 1, 2, and 64 and decided to hang with some aliens and taught them how to hunt demons.

Something happened on Argent D'nur (allegedly one of the night sentinels made a deal with a demon) that caused Argent D'nur to get overrun by demons and actually get teleported in to Hell. It was this that spurred Doomguy in to his legendary rampage that's spoken of in the Slayer's Testament.

A lot of people theorize that Doom Slayer is actually an Argent D'Nur native and isn't the original Doomguy, but this doesn't really make sense since at the beginning of Doom 4 he's established to be human, can read and understand English, immediately knows how to use every UAC firearm, and even acknowledges that it's fucking ridiculous that there's a chainsaw on Mars again.

Doom Slayer is Doomguy that started an alien club and got so pissed off when demons ruined his shit again that he went on a rampage so fucking awesome that angels were like "we need to get in on this."

A demon gave him the armor after he killed a fuckload of his friends in exchange for not tearing off his head and using it as a kickball

So they were from a different universe?

Neat.

Also, the way the elite guards died in D44M showed how retarded the UAC is.

Where do I go to read up on this fresh spicy hot Doom lore?

essentially, yeah

doom 4 takes place in a parallel universe entirely , though it stars the original doomguy

the slayers testaments state that Doomguy's lasted "for eons across dimensions" which a lot of people have chosen to interpret as meaning that "all wads are canon." id software has given coy replies to this question implying that this is the case

that's why doomguy is so "done with" everything taking place in doom 4. he's done it all before and then some. as far as he's concerned this is just another bullshit universe for him to fight through and he wants to get it over with as quickly as possible

the slayers testaments also say that doomguy is effectively immortal with the praetor suit having "adamantine strength" and doomguy himself possessing a "soul scorched beyond ascension"

the game's lore is super cool if you give it a few minutes

you could play doom 4, but since i like doom 4's lore so much i'll spoonfeed ya a lil bit

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>Pulling out a lot of shit out of your ass: The post


Its NEVER fucking implied that this doomguy is the same as the original doomguy, never, not even slightly implied, his story starts in argent d'nur and finishes on current events.

>but this doesn't really make sense since at the beginning of Doom 4 he's established to be human

He's not, youre pulling this out of your ass.

>can read and understand English,

How do you know he can? He literally doesnt make a sound.

Also this is fucking nitpicking, they're not going to present the game's plot in a fucking alien language.

Here im gonna fucking obliterate your argument right now: The slayer's testament, voice recorded by a DEMON is in fucking english. Is english the lingua franka of hell?

>immediately knows how to use every UAC firearm

Its called convenience you fucking nitpicker just like how gordon freeman can perfectly operate alien weaponry he has never seen before with special forces expertise despite being a fucking physics guy

>and even acknowledges that it's fucking ridiculous that there's a chainsaw on Mars again.

What? Literally how? He doesn't speaks, nigga, the logs are not written by him, ffs. Stop pulling shit out of your ass

The wikia, but whatever you do dont listen to this guy Because he's making everything up, like how confirms

Most of the lore I have been reading is how retarded D44M UAC is.

That, and all of the experimentations that the UAC did on the demons.

I am only getting started in the DOOMSLAYER part of it.

>How do you know he can? He literally doesnt make a sound.
He quite clearly understand english

>Samuel says 'Everything we've done is for the betterment of mankind'
>Doomguy looks at a human corpse next to him and gets visibly angry
>Samuel tells him to gently remove the argent shit from the machines
>That spurs him on to just break shit harder/faster

He clearly understands english.

Has anyone thought about if the Argent d'nur is the original universe?

>>Its NEVER fucking implied that this doomguy is the same as the original doomguy, never, not even slightly implied, his story starts in argent d'nur and finishes on current events.
Yes it is. Both the Slayer's Testaments and the UAC lore files on the Doom Slayer match events that take place in the first two doom games. The ending of Doom 64 where doomguy decides to stay in Hell is also explicitly referenced. The Icon of Sin is also in one of the stages in the Titan's Realm.


>but this doesn't really make sense since at the beginning of Doom 4 he's established to be human

You literally see him naked from the neck down.

>can read and understand English

He demonstrates comprehensive understanding of multiple pieces of UAC technology including computer access panels.

>
Its called convenience you fucking nitpicker just like how gordon freeman can perfectly operate alien weaponry he has never seen before with special forces expertise despite being a fucking physics guy

And you're calling ME a nitpicker?

>What? Literally how? He doesn't speaks, nigga, the logs are not written by him, ffs. Stop pulling shit out of your ass

upon picking up the chainsaw, he looks it over and shrugs before pulling the starter cable

eat shit you nitpicking autist

>Doom Slayer is actually an Argent D'Nur native and isn't the original Doomguy

Didn't the UAC find the ancient remnants of the Tower of Babel with a dead Cyberdemon underneath it? And isn't the Titan basically the Icon of Sin? My understanding was that after shutting down the portal by defeating the icon, Doomguy stayed in Hell and the Sentinels found him there and recruited him. The chronology is weird because it would place the invasion of Doom1 in the ancient past but stranger things have happened.

>Is english the lingua franka of hell?
the bible's written in English, checkmate :^)

Again how do you know?

he destroyed the tubes, he didnt "gently removed them", that could be used to say he doesn't actually understand it.

And why did you ignored the bit about the slayer's testament being in english?

I know why you did it: Because it destroys your entire argument you fucking dumbass.

I could list over 1000 examples of media that inexplicably has english present, you know why? Because its the most widely spoken language in the world, so most stories are presented in said language so that the viewer can understand them. it wouldnt be such a fucking fun game if you played as a cave man listening to gibberish sounds and trying to figure out how do guns work.


For fucks sake, liars like you make me fucking mad.

>And isn't the Titan basically the Icon of Sin?
That's open to interpretation. The corpse of the Titan looks a lot like the Icon of Sin, but you also see a different corpse later in the same level that looks exactly like the icon of sin.

>he destroyed the tubes, he didnt "gently removed them", that could be used to say he doesn't actually understand it.

He understood alright. The pause he takes before destroying the last filter was to make sure Samuel saw every moment of it. You could feel it in the way he curled his fingers, it was mocking Samuel and saying "Fuck you, this machine is never seeing the light of day again"

again, there are several points in the game where Doomguy uses computer panels that have english displays

remember when he hesitates before shutting down Vega and decides to back him up before doing so? If Doomguy doesn't understand English, how would he make that decision?

Oh waaaaait, you didn't play the game, so you clearly never noticed that.

In what sense did he lie?

>he destroyed the tubes, he didnt "gently removed them", that could be used to say he doesn't actually understand it.
Samuel Hayden pleas to Doomguy to not destroy the Argent cables and Doomguy hesitates twice, only opting to destroy the cables once Hayden says "for the good of mankind" and "we are capable of controlling it."

Doomguy directly responds to Hayden's dialogue several times during the game. He hesitates when Hayden asks him to not destroy the argent purifiers. He gets visibly angry and shaken when Hayden says "for the good of mankind" while Doomguy is looking at a mutilated corpse. Hayden tells Doomguy that he is capable of controlling Hell's resources which makes Doomguy upset and more violent in destroying the filters.

You're talking out your ass. Play the game before you start calling people liars.

NO FUN ALLOWED

NEVER HAVE FUN EVER AGAIN

God you're an insufferable cunt, I'd hate to know you

No its not

"PULLING OUT OF YOUR ASS" alert is ringing again, buddy.

They simply say that he has been wrecking hell's shit for a long time.

Elves are also very similar to humans physically except for the ears, are you trying to say that elves are humans?

Asaris are physically identical to human women except for the head tentacles and the blue skin

Do you even know what "Humanoid" means?

Sure he could even look 100% human but that doesnt mean he comes from the earth.


And again the english part is called CONVENIENCE, the game wouldnt be fun if it were something like

"djfhdsajrfhauerhfuiasfheaniurlahsfkcmasdfdhjsakdaslhdkjsahdklwjadhwqueudwqdnlsakfndajrehafasjf" whenever a character spoke.

And yes im calling you a nitpicker because you're saying that the guy showing perfect handling of modern weapons is 100% that he is the original doomguy, despite being a fuckload of games where characters inexplicably know their way around completely alien weapons. are those incarnations of doom guy as well?

As for the references: Yeah theres also a soulcube present, so is the doomguy from 3 the same as all of those doom guys? Do you even fucking know how many games reference previous entries on their sagas?

Isnt there a skyrim reference too? So does it tkaes place in the same universe as skyrim? According to your logic it does.

And "shrugging and pulling the cord" doesnt equal saying "Man why the fuck is there a chainsaw in mars AGAIN?"

Just admit youre pulling everything from your ass, youre embarrasing yourself.

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Doomguy directly responds to Hayden's dialogue several times during the game. He hesitates when Hayden asks him to not destroy the argent purifiers. He gets visibly angry and shaken when Hayden says "for the good of mankind" while Doomguy is looking at a mutilated corpse. Hayden tells Doomguy that he is capable of controlling Hell's resources which makes Doomguy upset and more violent in destroying the filters.

Wow, Doomguy is a pussy ass bitch

Unless there were hidden mystic knights in the original doom that I somehow missed, I dont think so.

>guy literally quotes the game's lore word for word
>UHM ACTUALLY YOU'RE A LIAR FAGGOT

Imagine being this autistic

>Again how do you know?
youtube.com/watch?v=kYPc2UPcGqM&t=7m5s

youtube.com/watch?v=MweTO26KEH8&t=35m45s

Two explicit parts where he understands english and one where he interfaces with a computer to make a backup of something, which he'd need to understand english to do.

I could look up more. But i'll just post smug anime from here on out instead.

>>Elves are also very similar to humans physically except for the ears, are you trying to say that elves are humans?
>Asaris are physically identical to human women except for the head tentacles and the blue skin

i'll take "false equivalence" for 200, alex

Just leave this board

Dude since doomguy doesn't speaks you're literally adding words into his mouth.

Like I agree he understands english but holy shit stop trying to add a script to every action he does haha fucking autists.

He literally made up over half of the shit he said. Other points are just logical fallacies and nitpicking, like saying how doomguy is clearly human because he understand english, but IGNORING (like how he'll ignore again) that the slayer's testament, spoken by a DEMON, is in english, 100%

>doom lore

>He literally made up over half of the shit he said.
hang on, i'm gonna make a quick compilation of the game's doom slayer lore. just for you. sweet cheeks.

>Autism demands that no one must have fun

Nice samefagging.

Also, the quotes are from the codex (Since you know, doomguy doesn't speaks).

You're saying that he took the chainsaw and he said how crazy it was to have another chainsaw in mars again just like he had seen in doom 1.

He literally does not says this, he doesnt says anything, he just grabs it and makes some hand gesture.

You're adding words into all of his gestures and then getting mad when somebody tells you how you cant actually use that as factual information to validate your "script", and you're calling me autistic?

There is no evidence either way honestly, but it makes it more interesting that it is the same Doomguy. It gives a reason why he is so pissed at the UAC and his general "Fuck off" attitude to everything (Except VEGA who is willing to sacrafice himself to save this universe)

Can we agree on this?

the later one is the Icon, you can fire a rocket into its brain and Romero says his line again and it even spawns a cube

Can you help me out, I forgot in which language was the slayer's testatement written and spoken on

Validating your own headcanon as real isnt having fun, user. Imagine going into a zelda thread and saying that link is actually zelda's brother 100% confirmed because they both have pointy ears. Thats what that poster is saying

He's pissed because he has seen it happen, his entire world fell to the forces of hell and he clearly doesnt want that shit to happen again, plus he spends who knows how many aeons fighting demons which cant be pleasant, his life was ruined because of demons, it makes senses that he's ultra pissed at them.

>In this reboot, this silent protagonist is referred to by Hell's forces as the Doom Slayer; a legendary warrior and sole surviving member of an order of knights known as the Night Sentinels, tasked with protecting their home and deities, the Wraiths, from Hell. Contrary to previous incarnations, this version is even more vaguely characterized: the marine is never seen nor heard other than from first person, and other than an early shot of the marine's arm revealing a Caucasian skin color and the game lore texts referring to its gender as a "he", practically no details are revealed

Not even remotely samefagging

I just find it insane that someone would go to these lengths to prove that a generic nameless marine isn't the same one as previous games. This is like the most pointless shit you could ever argue about in your life

Ok so this guy is making up/assuming most of those things, where could I read on the actual lore?

>Prior to the game's events, the Doom Slayer and his brothers-in-arms were the protectors of a land known as Argent D'Nur, until a member of the Sentinels betrayed them in exchange for the resurrection of his dead son, who ended up brought back as the Icon of Sin (the final boss in Doom 2). The land would then be consumed and became Hell's energy resource for traversing across dimensions. Enraged, the Doom Slayer nearly tore all of Hell down as he defeated countless waves of demons and Titans, wearing a green suit of enchanted power armor and light grey helmet gifted to him by a "wretch". Eventually, the Doom Slayer was sealed away in an enchanted sarcophagus by the terrified remainder of Hell's inhabitants until he was collected by UAC Mars Director Dr. Samuel Hayden, keeping him sealed in his private labs as they reverse-engineered his equipment.

Exactly, but having it as Doomguy from 1+2 makes more sense since we saw Earth being consumed by hell.

Not to mention his pet bunny being put on a spike.

Wasn't Doom 3 a remake of the first one plot wise, more or less?

It had a lot of fleshing out of lore that just wasn't possible to do in the older games, so it's only natural that things from it will be used.

The doom wiki, or you could play the game yourself since its amazing

Shh dont say that you'll be called autistic for revealing the truth

Like I dont understand what these people want, they literally gave us a new backstory and its told in game, not through obscure easter eggs or shit but as part of the main plot, and yet theres still people saying its the original doomguy

REMINDER

The game's a REBOOT.

Not a SEQUEL of anything.

I definitely got the impression that it's the same Doom Marine as from the original games, but somehow ascended to become an avatar of pure rage against the armies of hell. The Codex entries describe some of his previous battles (including the destruction of the Icon of Sin I believe), and that he, somehow, someway, is always there whenever Hell invades, the same as ever ready to rip them to shreds.

One tidbit I found especially interesting was how one of the testaments makes mention of the Doom Marine being empowered by seraphim, and that he's the only one capable of drawing strength from his fallen foes. I imagine this is basically the lore explanation for why he's now such a brute with his hands (whereas previously melee attacks were practically useless), and maybe a not-too-serious nod to gaining health from glory kills.

I'm on my second playthrough myself, and will probably gain more clarity from actually exploring thoroughly, but I kind of really dig this. It meshes really well with how the Doom community views the Doomguy anyways.

Point out the bit that contradicts that he is the old Doomguy.

It doesn't contradict but it never says he is the same one. I like to think he is to make it interesting, but that will never be answered

ikr

Goddamnit it's a game where you kick hells ass don't try to do this guys. Just go fast and kill everything in your way.

>The game's a REBOOT.
It's not though

Why would armor forged in hell have caution warning on it written in english and have logos from a company called 1/0 Logistics Manufacture?

>In April 2009, Hollenshead said that Doom 4 was "deep in development". When asked whether Doom 4 would be "a sequel? A reboot? A prequel?", his response was "It's not a sequel to Doom 3, but it's not a reboot either. Doom 3 was sort of a reboot. It's a little bit different than those."

It's the Twin Snakes of the Doom series.

>You can see parts of his face.

NEAT

stolen and then taken credit for

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Because hell is an industrious place, and it wouldn't be hell without the need to follow inefficient and restricting safety regulations. Why would Satan make things easier for you just because you're making some armor?

>Its not a sequel but its not a reboot
>Its moving but its staying still
>Its hot but its cold
>its yes but its no
>its cute but its ugly
>its fun but its boring
>its fast but its slow.

>armor clearly has english markings on it
>I-IT'S CLEARLY ALIEN SPEAK!!! DOOMGUY IS A SPACE ELF IN DOOM 4!!! STOP LYING YOU'RE TRIGGERING ME!!!!!

>not a sequel to doom 3
>not a reboot of the franchise
well that really leaves one option

it's a sequel to doom 1, 2, and 64

you know, the games whose events are explicitly referred to in-game

Doomguy is pretty handsome.

The thing that really bugs me about the suits entry is that the UAC makes no mention of the manufacturers markings, but they do notice the symbol that looks like it was painted on at some point after it was made.

Didnt Doom 3 also had a tablet that was an obvious remake of doom 1 cover?

Its called "ascended meme", ever since release people used to say "even doom's cover was completely badass", it got elevated to cult status, you cant really consider any of those things as evidence for your theories because they're just nods from the devs at the fanbase.

im not the guy you've been fighting with btw.

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>How do you know he can? He literally doesnt make a sound.
I'm going to ask you something and I want you to just use your brain for a short amount of time. This might be too much to ask you, but I think if you give it your all, you'll be able to fire up that pile of mush inside your cranium and get it working. Ready?

If Doomguy couldn't read or understand English, why did he bother reading the panel right next to the Praetor Suit in the beginning of the game, how could he figure out how to back up VEGA, and how could he have operated ANY piece of technology on Mars?

It could always be that literally replicated EVERYTHING about it.

Its pretty clear that the armor cant be made with human technology, the UAC has the pinnacle of human technology and they dont even know exactly what the armor is made from.

Also the narrator at the beginning of the game, sounds pretty demonic/not human and he's giving doomguy the armor. thats when he says he'll be more terrible than the demons.

I read somewhere that its actually blazkowics face

Everything about doom 4 died in 2011 user, literally everything about it was restarted.

>quotes pulled from wikipedia
>quotes pulled directly from the game

gee, i wonder which information is more reliable

Like countless people have said:

If doomguy speaking english is proof that he is human and original doomguy why is the slayer's testament IN HELL written in english?

something to keep in mind about these notes is that uac couldn't examine him in depth and could only speculate about his origins, and that the slayer's testament is from the demons' perspective

super turbo turkey puncher 3 and the soul cube are in doom 4 though

>never, not even slightly implied,

Are you fucking serious?

What the hell did you think "the cycle begins anew" means?

>Also the narrator at the beginning of the game, sounds pretty demonic/not human and he's giving doomguy the armor. thats when he says he'll be more terrible than the demons.
It's not unreasonable to assume that that voice at the beginning of the game is one of the angels backing doomguy pushing him to wake up.

What if humanity in Doom was space elves all along?

then we'd all have autism, user

So the player can understand it.

This is what I imagined too

doomguy speaking english is PART of the proof that he's human

the other part of it is that we see his naked fucking body at the beginning of the game and you can see his face through his helmet's visor

doomguy is, at the very least, superficially human.

>actually arguing about doom lore

nerds, it's the same guy because that's more cool, end of story

the voice sounded just like the unseen Dark Lord demon that's telling his minions to kill you near the end of the game which is weird

it really doesn't

the demonic voice sounds like dr. claw, the voice at the beginning of the game is far less gravelly

It was fun wandering around looking for secrets and hearing a gobble from behind some crates.

neat

It's not written. He touches a thing and a voice speaks it. The suits on-board computer could be transcribing it or even interfacing with whatever computer equivalent hell has.

It's also worth noting that when the suit powers on the first time, it briefly shows alien characters before switching to English.

Exactly.

Theyre not going to have the guy giving you the objectives speak in some alien tongue.

The entire game is in english so that the player can understand it.

Of course he's superficially human looking but that doesn't mean he's human since the lore in THIS game says he comes from argent d'nur which is clearly NOT earth, also all of the other night sentinels had human features.

>>Because he's making everything up, like how
> confirms
that autistic faggot's two major points were that it is NEVER implied that the doom slayer is the doom guy, which it is

the other major point is that it's not implied that doomguy understands english which is also disproved by le angry fish face man's post is full of more holes than any other post in the thread and at this point this thread is just him spinning his wheels trying to defend his honour on a completely anonymous imageboard where it is 100% possible for him to just walk away and not have to own up to any of his sheer retardation

I swear you stalk every doom thread now and you always spout the same shit over and over again.

You ARE a motherfucker

The suit was made by a demon tho, it makes sense that the "default settings" are in demonic language

if hell is littered with guns and ammo and health packs inexplicably (the demons should really clean those up, would make killing DOOMGuy much easier) why did he use this sword? Was it just badass?

>Of course he's superficially human looking but that doesn't mean he's human

He's RIP and tear.
Not Slice.

Goes against his style.

But then why are the markings in English? Either way it shows that the game isn't showing what's actually alien text as English for the sake of the player, English is Doom Marines preferred language.

I think that it was a human suit that was enhanced after it was completed.

>inexplicably
it's all shit the UAC left there during their expeditions, hence why you see holographic recordings of UAC personnel walking around nearby supplies and why all weapons are in protective cases when you find them

well I meant more so in the classic games. I suppose you could write it off as Hell merging with our reality

>image

sequel/expansion when?

They relegated Cacodemons as the janitors of hell.

Sadly, they have no arms so management dropped the ball on that one.

Is there a resemblance?

>UAC going from no regards to employment safety to complete satanic worshipping depending on which level in the company you were

Shit man, I'd say within two or three years given the current game's critical acclaim.

I wouldn't be surprised if that new Wolfenstein game doesn't take a few cues from Doom 4 as well.

Literally the first time I do this but I'll keep doing it as long as I see people saying "ITS THE ORIGINAL DOOMGUY CONFIRMED!!"

They could afford a voice modulator then

How about all the ammo thrown by chainsaw'd enemies? Did they just ate it up?