Why is the GameCube so often considered one of the worst Nintendo consoles?

Why is the GameCube so often considered one of the worst Nintendo consoles?

It had excellent hardware considering it's size, was more powerful than the PS2 and Dreamcast, comfy as fuck controller, one of their more experimental periods with their IPs (Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime, Double Dash, Wind Waker) and they actually reached out for third party support which resulted in us getting REmake, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer7 and Eternal Darkness to name a few.

In terms of hardware it was superior to the N64 in every way, and it's library makes the WiiU's seem like a bad joke. So why all the hate?

doesnt matter how good the hardware is when you use mini discs, also most third party games sold like shit which is the reason why most of those games got ported over and the reason why we will never ever get another eternal darkness game

Since when did the gamecube get a bad reputation? I've never heard anyone complain about the console itself, in fact people say nothing but good things about it, especially the god-tier controller.

>It had excellent hardware considering it's size

>it had shitty hardware and mini discs but thats ok because they decided to make it really small!

i dont even dislike the gamecube but thats a stupid fucking argument

>In terms of hardware it was superior to the N64 in every way

thats because its suppose to have superior hardware compared to the n64

It was a good console with decent games.

I think you're confusing GC with Wii U.

>more powerful than PS2

>implying the Wii U is as powerful as the PS2

because it had a pathetic amount of exclusives when you factor in how video game development was back then

When has the size of the discs ever been an issue? Did people complain about the 360 not using Blu-Rays? No, because worst case scenario the devs would have to spread it across another disc, which has been the norm since the PS1.

It sold like shit because all other consoles could play DVD's, and at the end of the day most people who buy a console rather have one that can play games and movies than one that can just play games

The Gamecube is considered an improvement on the 64 which was a disaster.

>more powerful than PS2
It was. Just look at Resident Evil 4.

>When has the size of the discs ever been an issue?

its an issue when your competitors use disc formats that are four times as big. why do you think games like gta never got ported to gamecube?

Except it was, Ps2 had the shittiest version of every multiplat 6th gen. Sony didn't start caring about having good hardware until the PS3.

By then no one knew how to code for the ps3. Except those fucks for gow and uncharted

Very few Nintendo titles got a good game on it.
Rare started going to shit about that time.
Mario was worse, Zelda was worse.

Only little franchises like F-Zero got new good games on it. And Pikmin games are still not considered very big.

Metroid and Smash were the ones that sold the system.

>Comfy as fuck controller

No it wasn't

Your nostalgia is getting the better of you

That c stick was absolutely garbage

i thought it was great when i was a teenager, but looking back, it wasn't even a good console. the single analog controller gimped third party titles, and the zelda/mario games on it were not good. ocarina of time and majora's mask set up a good theme for the 3D zelda series and then wind waker killed it and it has never returned.

>watching reviews on the run and seeing tommy & vic shit on every gamecube exclusive

kek at the time it mind me kinda glad i never got one, but i do regret it now because the games are so fucking expensive

>Was more powerful than PS2

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAH NINTENDRONES EVERYONE, NINTENDRONES! PS2 was the most powerful console of that gen, everyone knows it, every expert knows it and not underages like you who keep going with this meme, PS2 could process more polygons than the FUCKING WII, and some commie or terrorist or whatev used them to launch missiles! PS2 was the best console, the one with mature games for adult people not like that kiddie fucking shit with "Mario got leukemia" fucking hell, PS2 was my 1st console so I know it very well

The library is so small
But every game worth playing is 10/10

What? Most gamecube games had blurry as fuck textures and shitty framerates compared to their PS2 versions. Games like the Capcom ports are exceptions.

It also has an extremely high ratio of translated to untranslated JP games.

Aside from licensed games, there's only like 10 games that never made it to the west...and almost all of them are pretty damn good.

Seriously, Super Monkey Ball 2, F-Zero GX, Mario Party 4-7, Kirby Air Ride, Mario Kart Double Dash, Smash Melee (regardless of what you think about the community the game was fun as fuck and miles ahead of 64), Custom Robo, GC had so many great exclusives.

In my personal opinion, and I know I'll get flak for this, but the Gamecube/PS2 era was kind of this sweet spot for video games where 3D had broken in long enough to stop being used as gimmicky shit, the technology was good enough to basically make anything you wanted as long as it wasn't an MMO or something, and a lot of cool ideas got thrown around because people stopped buying into the collectathon/Nintendo Power bullshit. I'm kind of disappointed that we haven't really had a console like that since.

>Did people complain about the 360 not using Blu-Rays?
Yes they did.

It had no fucking games. The GC is easily the most overrated console here.

>in b4 someone posts the same 10 titles they do in every GC thread

If Nintendo had used DVDs instead of mini-discs, I think the GC would have done way better. The reason I traded mine in was the lack of third-party games.

Actually the PS2 just dominated that generation in terms of exclusives anyway.

It's really only good for Smash and Pikmin. (f-zero to if that's your thing)

It was the second best console of that generation behind the Dreamcast. Too bad Sup Forums overrates the PS2 because of muh Japanese waifu sims. Seriously, the PS2 was shit. Any good game on it was ported to the Xbox and was significantly improved.

Dreamcast > Gamecube > Xbox > PS2

It was one of their better consoles. SNES will always be king of Nintendo to me though.

Fuck off. 6th gen was one of the worst gens in gaming. Aside from gta trilogy, nothing good came from it. Every gen prior and even 7th gen blow 6th gen out the fucking water.

f zero is bullshit when you have outrun 2, sega gt, and forza motorsport on xbox

GTA is nothing special. 6th had much better games than those. I think you might just have really shitty taste.

Name some.

No dvd support
I think smallest third party library
Gamecube was fucking sick though. in retrospect most of those ps2 third party games were fucking garbage anyway
MOST NOT ALL CALM YOUR FUCKING TENDIES

dmc1 and 3 were infinitely better and more fun than any GTA. GTA games especially in 6th gen had mediocre to awful gameplay and were just sandboxy autism simulators.

Oh, you're an edgy weeb.

Why would I play devil may cry when I can play Comix Zone or Streets of Rage? Devil May Cry is nothing special and is a 6/10 at best,

>weebshit

top lel

Godawful tastes

you could have picked any game and thats what you seriously pick?

/thread

Besides the only good games were killer 7, eternal darkness, remake/4, fzero, smash and whatever scraps from dreamcast. Wind waker had shit art design because it couldn't handle actual water, prime got oddworld and was turned into a generic fps, sunshine water gimmick was shit. In the end it had as many good games as the Xbox. Also iwata started the lazy trend of no mario at launch

"I don't play games for the gameplay" That's you guys.

Yer dumb.

I could have picked pretty much anything and it would have beaten GTA. I just picked a game I enjoy. God Hand is also better than the entire GTA library rolled into one.

Look at Symphonia, the Gamecube version was far superior to the PS2 version despite the PS2 version releasing afterwards. The James Bond games are well known for running better on Gamecube as well. Some games took advantage of the PS2, but for the most part it goes Xbox>Gamecube>PS2>Dreamcast. PS2 would have been trash if it wasn't saved by it's library and the DVD player.

It didn't have star fox 64
it didn't have goldeneye
it didn't have perfect dark
it didn't have pilot wings
it didn't have sm64
it didn't have duke nukem 64
it didn't have doom 64
it didn't have halo
it didn't have project gotham racing 2
it didn't have TOCA race driver
it didn't have segaGT 2002
it didn't have fable
it didn't have shenmue 2
it didn't have MechAssault
it didn't have RTCW multiplayer
it didn't have fusion frenzy

I could probably go on but you get the gist.

No it goes

Xbox>Dreamcast>PS2>Gamecube

>its an issue when your competitors use disc formats that are four times as big.
You'd be hard pressed to find a game that used an eighth of that space back then.
Not even GTA came close.

Doing combos isn't the only for of gameplay,

Try using the composite cable.


Bait.

Look at RE4 or Skies of Arcadia: Legends.

explain to me why gta was never on the gamecube then

>putting the PS2 that high when it had the lowest quality games of the bunch

Nah Xbox > GC > PS2
Dreamcast was somewhere in between the generations.

>second golden age of gaming
>shit

Sure is summer in here

Well, if it makes you feel any better, 6th gen overall was pretty weaksauce. After Dreamcast, it was all downhill, Games were far too easy, casualized, and story centric that gen

GTA has garbage gameplay man. Racing games drive better, shooting games shoot better, it's just a bunch of garbage slapped together in a sandbox. If you're not the type of person to "make your own fun" and fuck around in a sandbox they offer nothing.

Who knows, money hatting, wrong audience, third party games selling like shit if it wasn't something like Sonic?

Sup Forums isnt going to listen to you because most people here grew up during 6th gen, its funny because /vr/ will unanimously agree with you though

PS2 was slightly stronger than Dreamcast but Dreamcast could do texture compression and filtering better. Multiplats that ran on both have positives and negatives. But again, Gamecube was better than PS2 for multiplats. This might surprise you, but Nintendo used to care about hardware. SNES and Gamecube were both pretty great, and N64 was no slouch either (hence the bragging about 64-bit). PS2 only sold so well in the west because it had a DVD player and was backwards compatible with PSX.

>second golden age of gaming
No, you're the summer unfortunately. It's a well known fact gaming died after the new millennium. 6th gen is proof of that.

Different user here, because GTA is for kids on welfare to teach them their future.

To be fair there were gems sprinkled throughout. Shit like Viewtiful Joe was a masterpiece and it's a shame we can't even get a HD re-release.

Wait we're talking about power?? I thought we were talking about libraries, guy.

I grew up in 4th gen, first console was a Sega Genesis. 6th gen is by far my favorite, had a Gamecube and Xbox and loved them both.
6th>4th=5th>7th>th

ok?

Gamecube didn't have Vice City or Metal Gear, so it lost.

>I thought we were talking about libraries, guy.
I'm calling bullshit because you clearly acknowledged the fact that it was about power

Uh, yeah? My whole post was about hardware and multiplats, not exclusive libraries.

>dreamcast introduced on disc dlc
>xbox made paid online a norm
>dedicated video game consoles werent dedicated video game consoles
>the console of choice had shit tier hardware

golden age my ass

What are you getting at? Doesn't change tat games were far too easy and "cutscene-centric" in 6th gen.

Xbox games > PS2 games > GC games

Did any of you fags play Crimson Skies on Xbox Live? What about the other xbox games? No you did not.

The post was saying the only people who like 6th gen grew up with it. I know a lot of people here had PS2 as their first console but as someone who experienced 4th gen firsthand I can say 6th gen was my favorite. So no, it's not just nostalgia.

You do realise how old the PS2 is right?
Even if you started gaming in the 80s you could still have nostalgia for the PS2.

I had an xbox and dreamcast that gen. Gamecube only got sloppy seconds with a couple ports.

because DMC is way better than both of those games
My nigg

you can have nostalgia for things that are over 10 years old, regardless how old you were at the time dumbass

Well it did have Metal Gear, just not 2 and 3.

The Snes was not so great hardware-wise. The technology it used was already three years old when it came out, but that was Nintendo's design philosophy, using hardware that developers had experience with. They didn't do that with the N64 so most of the early library, especially third party, runs an looks like shit.

you're obviously lying about your age since you dont having a fucking clue what nostalgia means

In all honesty more companies should try and follow that philosophy.
We'd probably get more games of quality if that happened.

none of those consoles had anything that could be considered a classic. It was really a "meh" period in gaming. A really boring time if you're coming off the ps1 and n64 and EVEN the saturn with the likes of virtua fighter 2, virtua racing, ff7, gran turismo 2, ocarina of time, waverace 64, pilotwings 64, majora's mask, perfect dark, crash bandicoot, tekken 3, street fighter alpha 3, medal of honor, siphon filter, symphony of the night, etc.

*Well it did have the worst metal gear
fify

it had better hardware than the other consoles of that generation of consoles.
it honestly feels like nintendo's edgiest console but maybe that's just because i'm comparing it to their current "EVERYTHING HAS TO BE WHITE AND APPEAL TO SMALL INFANTS!" style.

It may be called Twin Snakes but it's not 2.

Well, not really. It just means that many early system games won't take advantage of the hardware and games won't have room to improve. Devs will still use old methods to bring out games on new systems and will adapt during the generation. If you give them trusted hardware they won't adapt and the games will be as good technically as they were on launch. Someone has to pioneer the tech. Back in the day we had arcades for that, now I guess they just release beta versions of games.

The WiiU followed that philosophy, didn't work out too well.

that's some godawful taste, user

I'm not a fan of metal gear series really (too many cutscenes and nonsensical plot), but I liked the gameplay and bosses in 2 far better than 3. 3 was way too easy and had a weird fucking camera setup. I also hated that once again, you couldn't play as snake. The environments were also really boring and I hated going in menus every few seconds

The games were disappointing.

Super Mario Sunshine
Zelda WW and Zelda TTP
Super Mario Kart Double Dash
F-Zero GX
Star Fox Adventures and Assault
Wave Race Blue Storm
1080 Avalanche
Battalion Wars
Wario World


They were all let downs in their respective series.

I also argue that the N64 versions of Paper Mario and Smash Bros were better than the GCN versions.

Cubivore was cool. Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion were barely even half-games. They were tiny.

The Gamecube is when Nintendo's games stopped being significantly better than the competition

>didn't work out too well.
You say that but they have the most stable games.

>The Gamecube is when Nintendo's games stopped being significantly better than the competition
To be honest, Nintendo's games were never significantly better.

Half the titles you listed are either not classic or had superior entries in 6th gen.

The NES, SNES and N64 libraries beg to differ.

Not to mention Gameboy :)

>N64 libraries

>N64
>Better

x-play also shitted on the gc, especially morgan

No they don't. I'd say the Nes library isn't much better than contemporary arcade games, nor is it much better than the Master System. The Mega Drive and Neo Geo both had a better library than the Snes if you don't like waifu games, and the N64 was far worse than the Saturn and Playstation libraries. The N64 was just terrible library-wise.

>had superior entries in 6th gen

It died with the 360 and its grave is currently being shit on by the PS4 and Xbone

Yes, the N64 was better than the Playstation and Saturn.