Do you consider visual novels to be video games?

Do you consider visual novels to be video games?

Yes

Do DVD menus count as interactive movies?

>>>/jp/rules/2

If garbage like Pokemon GO is considered video game than yes VN are video games too.

Difference is, you actually play pokemon go.

You don't sit there clicking for 4 hours till its done.

More than stuff like gone home and the rest of that pretentious genre.

VNs are exactly what it sounds like - visual novels.
Pokemon Go is a digital toy.
Neither are games.

VNs like rance or ace attorney with gameplay/puzzles are video games
VNs with just choices are borderline (more like choose your own adventure books really)
VNs with just text and no choices (umineko 1-7) are most definitely not games

AA is literally a point and click adventure game, like the old PC ones, not a VN.

But all games are toys, user.

This sums it up pretty nicely.

>digital toy.
What the fuck am I reading

no

yes

no just like """"mobile games"""".

no

>Do you consider visual novels to be video games?

Decided on a case-by-case basis. Some visual novels like Umineko are clearly not games, since they have no interactive elements whatsoever and are literally just "novels" that you read on a PC. Some have tons of gameplay elements, such as the Danganronpa series, and qualify as games because of that.

If you people consider walking sims like Gone Home as video games, then visual novels are fair game. Especially when some of them actually have a decent story and good puzzles like 999, professor layton and phoenix wrights.

yes

"games" with no gameplay

The ones with gameplay are

So what eroge are you playing now, Sup Forums?

Personally I'm playing Muramasa.

Still trucking through Subahibi while I wait for somebody to crack the steam Muv Luv

Why would you play an English version of Muv Luv?

nice EOP bait, faggot

see

Are visual novels in Japanese not visual novels?

Well it involved reading instead of watching tons of cut scenes like in the Metal Gear games.

But visual novels usually involve branching dialogue and decision making that determines any number of endings you could get.

Honestly, visual novels like Kara No Shoujo and it's sequel had more endings than Mass Effect 3. They also involved a lot more decision making than most other visual novels.

Then we get into the walking simulator debate too.

I consider them to be vidya but in a sub-genre of it.

Nope.
I'm "playing" Steins;Gate at the moment and all I'm doing is reading text and replying to emails.

I just got to the part where they're explaining how the Time Leap Machine works and I swear to God, if those random times Okarin makes those chuuibyou phones calls is him getting memories from the future, then that's pretty fucking cool

Kinetic novels are certainly not video games, but I'd consider many VNs with good and bad endings as video games.

It's hard to say exactly where the line between video game and not video game lies though. I think in general bad endings can be thought of as failure states and good endings as win states. The game part comes from trying to reach a certain ending and either successfully or unsuccessfully achieving it. That said, a visual novel that is basically a kinetic novel except for a single choice which says "go to good ending" and "go to bad ending" is hard to qualify as a game as well. Rather, I think it becomes a game once there is some sort of challenge to the player to reach the win state or the desired ending. This challenge can very well be in the form of having to make several correct choices and doesn't necessarily have to include typical gameplay elements.

Does it matter?

Yes I do consider them games, but what does it matter, if someone says they arent Im not going to argue with them because it changes nothing

Depends how much agency you have in the events of the story and if you can fuck it up by doing the wrong things.

I don't "consider" them to be video games.
They ARE video games.