Was Zero Mission a mistake?

From the moment she crash landed on that planet after being hunted by the space pirates, it felt like she stopped being Samus and became a sex object.

I know she showed more skin in earlier games, but not in the same way. It just felt like they overexposed her "feminine traits" in ZM.

I know Other M always gets to be the scapegoat for this, but IMO, ZM is the scapegoat. In ZM they portrayed Samus weak and useless without her power suit. She couldn't even hurt the space pirates, just stop them in their tracks.

And look at her pose in the blatant butt shot (pic related). This pose communicates "I'm weak, I'm vulnerable". Plus her butt and thighs are very big and look like they are made out of mashed potato.

You could also question if it really was necessary to shape the patterns of the zero suit to look just like a thong. It was like they wanted to show her in a thong, but couldn't show any skin due to ESRB ratings and therefore came up with this "solution".

Zero Mission is the culprit for turning Samus into a physically weak sex object, not Other M.

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The ending with the ZS is pure unadulterated shit in every capacity, but before that it's a solid remake. Good game unfortunately capped by pointless, poorly designed ending. Also even though I hate it, the ZS segment is not responsible for that shit, Other M is 100%.

nobody fucking cares anymore, you've been bitching for years

Well at least I don't copy the "I hate Other M because it's cool to do that" opinion.

I really do think Zero Mission gets away way too easily for what it did to Samus as a character.

>butt and thighs looked like mashed potatoes

What did he mean by this?

I've been debating with myself for some time over whether it's one consistent autist who makes these shitty threads or several different anons with an OP they copy and paste from a notepad. Image is always the same. Report and hide.

>Plus her butt and thighs are very big
Nigga if you think thats big I'm gonna call the thicc fags in here and you'll regret saying that

That IS a big butt and her thighs rub together. It's just one of several traits which makes her very "unSamus-like" in ZM.

That is a moderate butt and pair of thighs
Don't make me go tumblr on you and scream about how not all women are spooky skeletons

See this shit is what I'm talking about. It's literally the same fucking posts about the same recycled shit on cue in these awful threads. You're all the same person right? Why do you do this? You have to stop.

If you think her butt is "moderate" and that her thighs are normal, I don't think I want to see what your definition of "big" is. Landwhale?

While the Zero Suit section and the ending ruin the game, the Zero Suit didn't ruin Samus as a character nor was it responsible. Yes Zero Mission did stupidly retconned the suit into existance but Other M ruined Samus on its own.

>these fucking deluded ass faggots who could NEVER beat Metroids fast enough to see that Samus always had sex appeal

back to tumblr you little faggots

Is it fun finding different ways to post something so you can talk about the same things over and over?

I don't get the appeal.

Samus' ass is big, okay great. Move on.

It's just GF_Sybb and his retarded concept of Samus ass. He like to create troll threads all the time on Sup Forums. Just report his ass and ignore him.

What did it do to Samus as a character?
>fuck my suit blew up
>time to get a better one
>aw yeah, this suit is the shit

Not the zero suit on its own, but Zero Mission on a whole did ruin Samus.

ZM taught us that Samus is useless without her power suit.

I think smash including zero suit Samus was also a huge mistake and led to her being more of a sex object. Samus should always be in her suit when she's fighting.

Not according to Smash, she's even better without the power suit than she is with it

any skintight suit is inherently sexual. Anybody in a mechanical suit needs to be naked or wearing a spandex suit so that nothing snags as you're moving around.

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Considering that the GF can't do shit without Samus I don't see how it's a big deal.

Smash is not canon though, because Mewtwo is weak as fuck.

No. Samus's zero suit completely rides up her ass crack and is shaped like a thong. That's not necessary for a skintight suit, that's something they added for sex appeal.

Well of course she is useless against aliens without the suit. Ignoring the non-canon easter egg in the original Metroid, has Samus ever fought aliens without the suit in a mainline or well any Metroid game?

DAILY REMINDER THAT THE ZERO SUIT IS ESSENTIALLY A FUTURISTIC VERSION OF WHAT ASTRONAUTS WEAR UNDERNEATH THEIR SPACE SUITS

DAILY REMINDER THAT THE ZERO SUIT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SHIT AS LONG AS NINTENDO IMPROVES ITS DESIGN AND DOESN'T GO FULL RETARD WITH IT

Smash wasn't the problem, their shit fanbase was.

Nigga that ass was the best decision Nintendo ever made.

Was Metal Gear a mistake?

From the moment he came out of the water after sneaking into Shadow Moses, it felt like he stopped being a soldier and became a sex object.

I know he showed more skin in earlier games, but not in the same way. It felt like they overexposed his "masculine traits" in MGS1.

And look at his pose in the blatant butt shot (pic related). This pose communicates "I'm user, I shitpost". Pluse his butt and thighs are very big and they look like they are made out of chiseled marble.

You could also question if it was really necessary to add those straps on the sneaking suit to accentuate his ass. It was like they wanted to show him in a jockstrap, but couldn't show any skin due to ESRB ratings and therefore came up with this "solution".

Nope. Samus is and always will be "just a human" outside the suit

$10 says that if you turn her around her suit isn't in the crack of her arse, though, the other dude has a point.

"Of course"? So you blatantly agree Samus is useless without her real suit?

From a sex appeal standpoint maybe. But giving her an ass like that helped ruin her character.

Samus is a superhuman without the suit, same as Halo's Master Chief.

No it's MOM dumbass. Maybe Brawl.
ZE still had her kick ass on that planet, with or without suit.
>Not feeling vulnerable because your beloved weapon is gone, your ship is gone and you're just fucked for the time being
>on a planet full of guys who will kill you, have ruined your childhood and you've just destroyed their leader
>The same weapon you've canonically used in every sortie and mission ever done by you
Gee I dunno master baiter.

But I thought having the freedom to show off their bodies was empowering to women.

There's nothing wrong with female's owning their sexuality.

Men trying to control when and how much of their bodies they can show off is patriarchal oppression.

Against aliens yes. Take Master Chief's suit off and put him against a mob of Elites and Brutes and see what happens.

That's why I said that as long as Nintendo doesn't go full retard with the suit, it doesn't have to be shit. I wasn't implying that they didn't already. Just look at Other M. Gave that fucker some high heels, even though they wouldn't even be able to fit inside of the Power Suit.

All they need to do is make it look less like a skin-tight latex suit, make it look more functional, maybe make Samus barefoot underneath it (so that her feet could fit into the Power Suit more logically), and they're good.

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Not him but imo, she really should be. Should be like MCU Captain America at least. Unless Space Pirates are just that naturally strong, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to kill just a few of them without her suit, provided she is armed well enough.

With the suit, she should be in god-mode though.

why does her escape ship at the end look like a sperm cell then? DEEPEST LORE

What character was ruined? Samus was same character in games post this, and continued until Other M's take, which was seen as what "ruined" her.
Having a fine ass or sex appeal doesn't ruined jap characters. Are you mad because all of the Zero Suit porn? What do you expect, it's porn.

>ITT: OP doesn't know what a scapegoat is

ZM was my favorite Metroid for a long time but I'm beginning to think Fusion was more fun. RoS is probably my niche favorite though. Echos gets an honorable mention.

Not reading your post, but as an answer to the subject, yes, it was the catalyst. It would have been fine if they cut out the retarded concept/design that is the zero suit and cut out the tedious stealth garbage, called the game Metroid: Recharged or something generic like that. No zero suit, no giving casuals and normies easy access to Samus's hot body (it's supposed to be earned), no retarded overly animu face and neon yellow sluthair. Thus Samus seems less human, less relatable, still seeming mysterious and stolid to the player. No chance of "Samus is bettet outside the suit" cancer growing from Smash. Without that, no chance of Other M trying to make her "deeper" and more "relatable" thus killing the character and the series, since she'd still be emotionally distant from the player, still mysterious, still stay in her suit most of the time, her pretty face and sweet tits being cameos if you're good at the game. Without the slutty animu face, without the retarded neon yellow ponytail, without the retarded zero suit. Like she was in Fusion.

That's a Space Pirate spaceship. Probably because they're raping the universe

She probably could but Zebesians are probably at an Elite level in physical strength. If Samus had an actual pistol and a combat knife she should be able to kill some of them without the suit.

OP is GF_Sybb, he's just a shitposter

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Samus as a strong, fit character was ruined in ZM. When losing her power suit, she's portrayed as virtually useless. She's weak and she's running away from the enemy because she isn't strong enough to engage in combat.

Don't simplify it by saying "she has a fine ass". She has a big butt, that's not a trait a woman like Samus should have.

resolution is way to small, one pixel tits are too big.

>She probably could but Zebesians are probably at an Elite level in physical strength.
Considering how tall they seem to be and how much trouble they as a whole give the GF, I'm willing to agree.

ok

I'll bite this bait, and I'll bite it hard
Hey OP have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're the problem here?

There's nothing inherently sexual about a butt and thighs. It's just part of the human body. Neither the butt or the thighs are sexual because they don't play any role in traditional sex, which is simply benis in vagoo.
OP, your ass, anal, and thigh fetishes are making YOU over-sexualize Samus, but not me, and not anyone who just wants to play Metroid.
Nintendo adding a new segment where Samus loses her power suit to a Gameboy Advance remake of a NES game that featured Samus literally in a bikini did not ruin her character in any way. Samus also does not become any less capable without her suit than she is with it, aside from her beam and charge shots. Samus was still able to outsmart a colony of space pirates and defeat a boss to get her suit back.
OP needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that taking off clothing does not "ruin" a fictional character. It only ruined your image of the character.

>Zebesians are probably at an Elite level in physical strength
They also rape like champs according to "that" doujin

Yeah because not strong and unfit characters can jump over twice their height, infiltrate an enemy mothership, and beat an ancient Chozo Warrior spirit

She has a nice ass, so the fuck what? Maybe she squats a lot?

The Chozo modified her dna as a child, how do you think she jumps 15 feet into the air?

I love ZM but I kind of agree with this. I don't hate the inclusion of the Zero Suit and of itself but honestly without her suit, Samus should still be able to kick ass, just with a significantly higher chance of dying.

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Not him but I will say this again, if you take away all of the Master Chief's weapons, vehicles, and his suit and give him a futuristic taser gun while he is stuck in his body suit against Elites and Brutes in a Covenant ship what do you think Chief would do?

As much as I like Prime designs, OM young Samus was qt as fuck. She looked good through the visor too. I don't give a damn if she's anime since she always has been except in Texas

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>making a character slightly fatter completely ruins her
Jesus the autism is unreal.

>a normal human woman
>a man

>that moeshit nu-anime Barbie doll on right
>a real woman

I'm gonna go out on a limb on this and guess that weird armor she wears, the space boots and stuff. You dig?

highest this character ever jumps without a suit is definitely not 15 feet. She jumps about as high as you'd expect in ZM and grips ledges, only thing that really stands off as "thats fucking weird" is how much air time she gets.

fucking find a different website if you don't like anime designs, fucktard

You sound like a fucking SJW defending MP1's Samus

OM Samus was awful.

Samus should look like she did in MP1 or something like pic related. She should look a little bit older, a hardened and mature soldier, but still gorgeous with feminine features.

After Gunpei yokoi died and then the creation of Fusion and Zero Mission were the beginning of the death of Metroid, Fusion and ZM were just Other-M Lite.

Notice I specifically said young Samus

holy shit he struck a nerve pretty hard

>Aya Brea
>a real woman

You're damn right she is, son.

>mole

I like Anime just not Moeshit garbage you fucking weeb trash.

>there's nothing sexual about female butts
Into the trash it goes.

Mario can jump several times his own height and he's fat as fuck. You can't apply that kind of logic to videogames.

Uhm, you know, when you squat you get a fit ass. Not that kind of super smooth, big bubbly butt Samus has in ZM.

Why do you bring in Master Chief?

>slightly fatter
Strictly speaking about her ass here, I don't think I agree with the "slightly" part.

I don't even like Super and yet I find nothing wrong with ZM and Fusion. Yokoi was the man though, RoS a best

The only real Samus is the canon one from Super, Fusion, and Zero Mission. Samus is supposed to be a strong yet sexy woman not a dyke (Prime) or a masochistic whore (Other M). The end.

She has a great full butt that even a gymnast would have.

She's SUPPOSED to appear vulnerable. That's the idea of losing her power suit. Space pirates are fucking strong, and can potentially kill her while she's in the power suit. What makes you think she would be strong enough to take on space pirates outside of her suit?

They designed the zero suit to act as an underlying layer to the power suit. It's actually more believable to have a full body suit insulating you, instead of underwear and a crop top.

The Zero Suit, and the ending sequence was a great way for the player to get to know a little more about the real Samus. Adding a nice layer of depth to an otherwise shallow game about finding hidden walls.

The real culprit to Samus's image assassination is Smash Bros. Because her presence in Smash Bros attracted a bunch of attention from other people who would otherwise not give a shit about Samus. And they did all they could to sexualize her image. Which led to Nintendo to get the wrong impression about what the fanbase wants to see form the series.

For young Samus, something like pic related would be better

Ah I figured it out

You don't like female butts because you're gay and you want Samus to be or at least look like a guy

I got ya

There is nothing moe about that design. Hell, MP3 Samus is more moe than that.

$10 says that having a suit that contours to the crack of her ass isn't a problem. There's no point. Samus is supposed to be sexy.

>why Master Chief
Because he is also a genetically cybernetically enhanced superhuman and without his suit the Covenant would make him their bitch. No offense I love the Chief.

>dyke

Just because she's not a pointy chinned bug eyed anime waifu doesn't make her a dyke user. She looks like a normal human woman.

What's wrong with RoS Samus? I loved all of their designs

>people non-ironically giving GF_Sybb replies

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>$10 says that having a suit that contours to the crack of her ass isn't a problem.

>be Samus
>be out on a mission
>Zero Suit keeps riding up on your asshole
>can't pick wedgy because stuck in the Power Suit
>tfw Zero Suit digging into asscrack but can't do anything about it

You can call it great or full or whatever you want, but the thing is - Samus had a fat ass in ZM. Just like that gymnast you posted BTW.

There, I said it.

Why? Why can't she have short hair? and if you're referring to her being edgy, she was canonically rebelling against the Chozo when they sent her to join the GF.

I-I can't help it. I know it's him. But I still feel the need to defend the series.

Well curves = fat. So it's a good thing her ass is fat then, huh?

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Nothing it's just that Nintendo didn't really seem to have a definitive design for her out of the suit until Super. Personally I love all of out of Samus encarnations.

Samus looks like a normal human in the 2D games as well. Your point?

>Why? Why can't she have short hair?
That's not the point I was making. I just like the face that I posted more. It's more mature and less anime. Shorter hair seems like it'd be more logical. Maybe she should just hold her hair in a military-style bun or something.

>she was canonically rebelling against the Chozo when they sent her to join the GF.
BUT WHY THOUGH

did they base the prime 1 design on this?

the faces are very similar

*all of the incarnations in the 2D games.

>Flamboyant lobster

Her face is like that IIRC is because she was being a brat to Adam and giving a thumbs down. Why she rebelled against the Chozo was covered in the manga but I think it was just teenage angst?

>She has a great full butt that even a gymnast would have.
A beginner or slack ass, sure. Everything else in your post is right though

It's good for sex appeal, which they blatantly were going for in ZM.

But giving her a fat butt was part of ruining her character, together with how they made her useless without her power suit. Think about it.

Power suit Samus = strong, kick ass, fit as fuck

Samus without her power suit: weak, fat butt, very feminine

The middle ground is best, like an 80's anime style woman, tough and cold but mysteriously sexy. MZM/MOM Samus and MP1 Samus are both way too far in the opposite directions.

>it felt like she stopped being Samus and became a sex object.
YOU are the one that felt like that. There was no offense given, only personally taken. That's your problem.
>>there's nothing sexual about female butts
>Into the trash it goes.
Except you even described Samus' as that it "look like they are made out of mashed potato". Therefore they aren't sexual in this case, or rather again it's completely a personal issue.
>non-ironically
Good job perpetuating the new-age irony craze. You really just can't think outside of that dichotomy can you?

>Her face is like that IIRC is because she was being a brat to Adam and giving a thumbs down.
So awful characterization.
>Why she rebelled against the Chozo was covered in the manga but I think it was just teenage angst?
Jesus christ, so again: awful characterization.

I like the way you think.

A broken clock is right twice a day. Death to the author. Etc.
I didn't know it was his thread anyway, I only read the subject.

Mashed potato was a way of calling her butt fat, without using the word fat because I know it triggers Sup Forums. She does have a fat ass, though - which is generally seen as sexy.

He always makes the same threads. He posts Samus's ass, talks about Samus's ass, and obsesses over Samus's ass. He doesn't want to talk about Metroid, the fate of the series, sexism, or any of those other things.

He wants to talk about Nintendo character ass.